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#121 Kack Zassian

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:57 PM

Also, having Hodgson and Grabner on the roster makes us pretty easy to play against.
Neither were a great fit here.


If Kesler isn't hurt, no one even thinks twice about the Hodgson trade.

As for Grabner, since his trade:
Grabner: He has averaged 44 points/season
Raymond: He has averaged 39 points/season
(despite Raymonds major injury)

These guys play similar minutes, PK/PP/Total TOI

So I mean, Grabner is pretty comparable to Mason Raymond...

Yet we say "shoulda kept Grabner" and fans are super eager to trade Raymond...

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 03:22 AM

If Kesler isn't hurt, no one even thinks twice about the Hodgson trade.

As for Grabner, since his trade:
Grabner: He has averaged 44 points/season
Raymond: He has averaged 39 points/season
(despite Raymonds major injury)

These guys play similar minutes, PK/PP/Total TOI

So I mean, Grabner is pretty comparable to Mason Raymond...

Yet we say "shoulda kept Grabner" and fans are super eager to trade Raymond...


Not to mention Raymond is a solid PK guy as well.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 12:09 PM

Not to mention Raymond is a solid PK guy as well.


In all fairness so is Grabner. Both guys see nearly identical minutes on special teams and shorthanded.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:03 PM

I would say Grabs and Raymond are comparable players, with Grabber the better sniper,while the defensive edge goes to Mason. Also, his ability to come back (after such a serious injury ) and improve his game, shows a lot of character and determination that I can't really attribute to Grabner.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:43 PM

Kadri was considered a bust and Luke Schenn doesn't really fit our defense. He would be a good physical bottom pairing guy but doesn't he make like 3.5m? Overpayment for what he brings.

All you have to do is look at Kadri's numbers in the AHL and see that he was a point a game player, much better numbers than Hodgson had. How is that considered a bust?

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:20 AM

i think mg is a crappy gm, only good move he had was trading for higgins, dont say hamhuis because so many teams offered him contracts and the only reason he came here was because hes a BC boy and wanted to play at home, its not like gillis pulled any magic to get him

Disagree, they guy has changed the attitude in Vancouver like no one else. How many Presidents trophy's? Stanley Cup final? Better than Burke's tenure or any one before him. Look who has resigned for less in Vancouver since Gillis took over.
Personally I think his undoing could be retaining AV as coach after last season.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:39 PM

It's funny how some people on this thread just say he should have done this and that like they know what the future held at the time and that it's simply a question of asking another GM for a trade and they immediately oblige. Using hindsight is the marque trademark of Canuck fans.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:43 PM

Big epic deals are extremely risky. If you look at the Red Wings they rarely pull these kind of deals.

Edited by CHIPS, 05 March 2013 - 03:43 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:59 PM

Well a just a season or so ago Colorado grabbed Eric Johnson for Shatenkirk (thought to be the seetener) and Stewart. They had Pietroangelo, so had depth to let go a defender, a former #1 overall pick, and they pulled the trigger!

Trades do happen when GM's are on top of their line up. The Cole / Ryder swap is a perfect example; RW size for LW scoring. Each team filling a void by trading from strength. Albeit off season; Philly trades Richards to make room for Giroux who becomes an MVP candidate. L.A. trades a surplus in prospects for a veteran hand at centre. The key is surplus for needs!

MG has 5 LW capable of playing Top 6 minutes...

MG has 4 Left D capable of playing Top 4 minutes.

MG desperately needs a right side D and two forwards (1 centre and 1 RW in some combination of play maker and big forward who can score). *Note; previous 4th line needs woould be taken care of via Sestito, Pinnizotto's return and possibly players like Higgins falling to the 4th if trades do acquire two forwards.

Lets even ignore the question of goalie depth...

Throughout the season the only trade of real substance (that I can immediately think of) is the Ryder/Cole swap.

People act like good players move daily...


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 05 March 2013 - 05:03 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:06 PM

Booth is a very good player.He is playing on a dysfunctional line.IMO

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

How many great trades have been made by ANY GM this year?

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:39 PM

MG has 5 LW capable of playing Top 6 minutes...

MG has 4 Left D capable of playing Top 4 minutes.

MG desperately needs a right side D and two forwards (1 centre and 1 RW in some combination of play maker and big forward who can score).
Lets even ignore the question of goalie depth...


Yes MG has these.

But how about this for a question
- How many other GM's have an excess of A) RS Top-4 Dman, B )3C with size/defensive accumen, C) Top-6 playmakers

Now,

- How many of THOSE GM's need A) LHS Dman or B ) 2nd/3rd liner LW tweeners

Now what are the chances that IF there is mutual shortage/demand and they can agree to a valuation?

Edited by Kack Zassian, 05 March 2013 - 05:41 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:40 PM

MG desperately needs a right side D and two forwards (1 centre and 1 RW in some combination of play maker and big forward who can score). *Note; previous 4th line needs woould be taken care of via Sestito, Pinnizotto's return and possibly players like Higgins falling to the 4th if trades do acquire two forwards.


All you've done is identify our wants, and stated our what we have a surplus of.

Thats really less than 50% of the puzzle when it comes to completing a trade.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:46 PM

Hard to make trades in any pro sports league.

Not really too many dumb GM's which means you can't really win any trade unless it's a sleeper player.

You have to give something up if you want to get something in return.

I thought for sure that the Canucks would have dealt some people by now. Maybe GMMG is shy because of the CoHo trade which was just a bad move. (Yes i'm beating a dead horse)

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:55 PM

Hard to make trades in any pro sports league.

Not really too many dumb GM's which means you can't really win any trade unless it's a sleeper player.

You have to give something up if you want to get something in return.

I thought for sure that the Canucks would have dealt some people by now. Maybe GMMG is shy because of the CoHo trade which was just a bad move. (Yes i'm beating a dead horse)


Not saying MG should've traded for them, but some really good young players have been dealt for dirt cheap this season

Eric Tangradi for 7th
Gagne for a 4th
Ellerby for a 5th
Loktionov for a 5th

MG has been too quiet, i have a feeling he's gonna go for the homerun on TD.




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