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#1 10minMisconduct

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:56 PM

Can someone please explain the waiver wire process and what MG said,

"Many teams put a claim on Tom. Canucks were lucky enough to get him".

If we won the president's trophy for being the team with the most points, we should have been the last team eligible to pick him up.

So how can many teams put a claim on Tom and the Canucks got him?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

From what I've gathered recently, and I'm no expert, we got a higher priority since we lost Volpatti the day before on waivers.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:07 PM

I know it's a shortened season, but wouldn't the waiver wire go by new standings? Why do you think the Canucks have struggled recently? Clearly it was to be closer to the top of the waiver wire list ;)

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:37 PM

Good question.... Wish they kind of had an official person to monitor and answer decent questions like this.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:41 PM

From what I've gathered recently, and I'm no expert, we got a higher priority since we lost Volpatti the day before on waivers.


I've never heard of that...
I always thought it was based on current standings starting from lowest team

Edited by CanucksJay, 01 March 2013 - 10:42 PM.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:47 PM

It means that out of the teams interested to claim the player the team lowest in the standings gets the player.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:47 PM

Waivers before Nov 1st would reflect last years standings, waivers Nov 1st and forward reflect this years standings.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:53 PM

Maybe other teams ahead in the queue took a pass?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:57 PM

Waivers before Nov 1st would reflect last years standings, waivers Nov 1st and forward reflect this years standings.


This, but I am not sure how it would work on a shortened season
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:58 PM

I heard and understood on 1040, that its a revolving list. For exmple, Washington got Volpatti so now they are at the bottom. They have to wait for everyone else before picking up the next waiver option. This list continues over through each season. If not then every year the bottom team would be first to act, (Edmonton), and get first dibs on waiver options. That would make it very possible that teams higher up may never get the option if waiver aquisitions were small. Im still amused that Calgary could have landed him and would have had to put him on waivers. That would have been sooooooo funny.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:26 PM

No that is not how it works

The team with the lowest percentage of points at the time of the claim gets the player and if they continue to be the last place team in the league they can essentially take every player that is on waivers providing they have a roster spot for him

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:27 PM

I'm with you. If someone has any specific info on how they got this waiver pickup, that would be good to know.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:35 PM

Man I thought this thread WAS gonna be an explanation.with the new CBA and shortened season it does seem a little unclear
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:45 PM

From what I've gathered recently, and I'm no expert, we got a higher priority since we lost Volpatti the day before on waivers.

No. The only way the order of waivers changes from the reverse of the current standings is if a player previously claimed on waivers is put back on waivers. Then the team that lost the player before gets first option at him.

For example, if Washington decides they want to send Volpatti down to the AHL, then we'd have first option to claim him back before the rest of the teams. Philly would also get the same first option if we wanted to send Sestito down. The first option doesn't apply to any other players on waivers, only the one your team lost originally.

I heard and understood on 1040, that its a revolving list. For exmple, Washington got Volpatti so now they are at the bottom. They have to wait for everyone else before picking up the next waiver option. This list continues over through each season. If not then every year the bottom team would be first to act, (Edmonton), and get first dibs on waiver options. That would make it very possible that teams higher up may never get the option if waiver aquisitions were small. Im still amused that Calgary could have landed him and would have had to put him on waivers. That would have been sooooooo funny.

It isn't a revolving list. Just because you've claimed someone, your position in the standings still determines the picking order for waivers. You can grab as many waiver pickups as your roster allows - a limit in itself since soon you'd have to start dropping roster players yourself in order to get more players off waivers.

The worst teams always get first pick, to try and allow a player a chance to play in the NHL where he wouldn't on a better team, but also so that the worst teams have the opportunity to get better. The better teams have less need to pick up waiver players since, well, they're better already.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:47 PM

Can someone please explain the waiver wire process and what MG said,

"Many teams put a claim on Tom. Canucks were lucky enough to get him".

If we won the president's trophy for being the team with the most points, we should have been the last team eligible to pick him up.

So how can many teams put a claim on Tom and the Canucks got him?

Good question.... Wish they kind of had an official person to monitor and answer decent questions like this.

I'm with you. If someone has any specific info on how they got this waiver pickup, that would be good to know.

You all should try reading the threads created about Volpatti and Sestito. Both have had the same answers discussed there multiple times.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:50 PM

This is what I can gather:

Any player who has played three seasons since signing his first NHL contract or has played 180 NHL games must clear waivers before he is assigned to a minor league affiliate.

Once a player is placed on waivers, teams have 48 hours to put in a claim on that player. If more than one team places a claim, the team with the lower number of points in the previous season is awarded the player. If no team places a claim, the player can be sent to a minor league affiliate.

When a player clears waivers and is sent down then is called up again, he would not have to clear waivers to be sent down again unless he's played 10 games or been "up" for 30 days.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:54 PM

This is what I can gather:

Any player who has played three seasons since signing his first NHL contract or has played 180 NHL games must clear waivers before he is assigned to a minor league affiliate.

Once a player is placed on waivers, teams have 48 hours to put in a claim on that player. If more than one team places a claim, the team with the lower number of points in the previous season is awarded the player. If no team places a claim, the player can be sent to a minor league affiliate.

When a player clears waivers and is sent down then is called up again, he would not have to clear waivers to be sent down again unless he's played 10 games or been "up" for 30 days.


Some of this is right as it is from the old CBA

But the new CBA states that teams only have 24 hours to make a claim on a player regardless of the day of week the player is put on waivers

Re entry waivers have also been eliminated
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:16 AM

This is what I can gather:

Any player who has played three seasons since signing his first NHL contract or has played 180 NHL games must clear waivers before he is assigned to a minor league affiliate.

Once a player is placed on waivers, teams have 48 hours to put in a claim on that player. If more than one team places a claim, the team with the lower number of points in the previous season is awarded the player. If no team places a claim, the player can be sent to a minor league affiliate.

When a player clears waivers and is sent down then is called up again, he would not have to clear waivers to be sent down again unless he's played 10 games or been "up" for 30 days.

Closer but not quite.

The waiver period is 24 hours, unless it's waivers submitted on a Saturday or Sunday, then it's 48 hours.

For when a player is eligible for waivers, it depends on when they signed their first contract, what age they were in that year, and how many NHL games they played. It's not strictly 3 years and 180 games. For instance, a skater who turns 18 in the year they sign their contract has 5 years or 160 NHL games before they have to pass through waivers. A skater who signed when he was 24 then they would have only 2 years and 60 games. The criteria is different for goalies.

The last part is right though, with players not having to immediately have to clear waivers again if they're called up short term. We saw this with Ebbett when he was called up but didn't have to pass waivers when he was sent back down.

Obviously there are a number of other rules around waivers, and a Google search is usually enough to find the answers.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:47 AM

I heard and understood on 1040, that its a revolving list. For exmple, Washington got Volpatti so now they are at the bottom. They have to wait for everyone else before picking up the next waiver option. This list continues over through each season. If not then every year the bottom team would be first to act, (Edmonton), and get first dibs on waiver options. That would make it very possible that teams higher up may never get the option if waiver aquisitions were small. Im still amused that Calgary could have landed him and would have had to put him on waivers. That would have been sooooooo funny.


Glad to hear that the primary Vancouver sports radio station has no idea what they are talking about..........
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:53 AM

From what I've gathered recently, and I'm no expert, we got a higher priority since we lost Volpatti the day before on waivers.

so does that mean we no longer have first dibs on Volpatti if he is waived by the Caps?
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:03 AM

so does that mean we no longer have first dibs on Volpatti if he is waived by the Caps?

As already mentioned, we didn't get a higher priority in other waivers because we lost Volpatti, and we also don't lose the first priority on Volpatti if the Caps waive him again this year.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:05 AM

Closer but not quite.

The waiver period is 24 hours, unless it's waivers submitted on a Saturday or Sunday, then it's 48 hours.

For when a player is eligible for waivers, it depends on when they signed their first contract, what age they were in that year, and how many NHL games they played. It's not strictly 3 years and 180 games. For instance, a skater who turns 18 in the year they sign their contract has 5 years or 160 NHL games before they have to pass through waivers. A skater who signed when he was 24 then they would have only 2 years and 60 games. The criteria is different for goalies.

The last part is right though, with players not having to immediately have to clear waivers again if they're called up short term. We saw this with Ebbett when he was called up but didn't have to pass waivers when he was sent back down.

Obviously there are a number of other rules around waivers, and a Google search is usually enough to find the answers.



They changed that. It's 24 hours no matter the day now.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:13 AM

I guess that means a bunch of the good teams in the league wanted him and we somehow snagged him instead. You'd think worse teams than the Canucks would be jousting for this guy, especially if teams better than the Canucks all wanted him.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:33 AM

They changed that. It's 24 hours no matter the day now.

The site I was using as reference had a number of updates but may have missed that. I hadn't heard it myself.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:46 AM

I guess that means a bunch of the good teams in the league wanted him and we somehow snagged him instead. You'd think worse teams than the Canucks would be jousting for this guy, especially if teams better than the Canucks all wanted him.


nope, we're the worst team that wanted him..

(seriously though, it's probably because teams currently out of a playoff spot would rather give a young guy a chance than sign a career fourth liner)

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:12 AM

nope, we're the worst team that wanted him..

(seriously though, it's probably because teams currently out of a playoff spot would rather give a young guy a chance than sign a career fourth liner)


So looking at league standings, teams that may have wanted him but we were ahead of(and consequently behind) are:
Chicago, Anaheim, Montreal, Boston, Ottawa, Pittsburgh and Toronto.

I am guessing Toronto, and maybe Anaheim and Boston had interest in him.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:40 AM

So looking at league standings, teams that may have wanted him but we were ahead of(and consequently behind) are:
Chicago, Anaheim, Montreal, Boston, Ottawa, Pittsburgh and Toronto.

I am guessing Toronto, and maybe Anaheim and Boston had interest in him.

Apparently MTL and CHI were interested in him
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:45 PM

Glad to hear that the primary Vancouver sports radio station has no idea what they are talking about..........


Yea no doubt. Next time I'll wiki the answer. Straight from wiki. "If more than one team makes a claim, then the player will be transferred to the team having the lowest percentage of possible points in league standings at the time of the request for waivers." I think that is a silly rule since more often than not, players that are being waived are probably not that great. So lets make a rule that the crappiest teams get first dibs on them.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:59 PM

The site I was using as reference had a number of updates but may have missed that. I hadn't heard it myself.

Here it is...

http://www.nhl.com/n...2,_2013 (1).pdf

"Waiver period will be standardized at 24 hours, regardless of the day of the week."

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:34 PM

Yea no doubt. Next time I'll wiki the answer. Straight from wiki. "If more than one team makes a claim, then the player will be transferred to the team having the lowest percentage of possible points in league standings at the time of the request for waivers." I think that is a silly rule since more often than not, players that are being waived are probably not that great. So lets make a rule that the crappiest teams get first dibs on them.

Still better than allowing the better teams first crack at him. A bad team might have holes and the player getting waived might be good, just not good enough to crack a top team's roster.

Here it is...

http://www.nhl.com/n...2,_2013 (1).pdf

"Waiver period will be standardized at 24 hours, regardless of the day of the week."

Good find, I'll have a look at that.
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