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#1 janisahockeynut

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:00 AM

I have been thinking about this for sometime, as I think Jensen is a gem, and could be wasted if AV puts him on the wrong line. My point is that he needs playmakers to excell, not shoot first kind of players, and he needs to be with top 6 players IMO.

This leads me to believe that he is much better suited for the Sedins rather than playing along side Kesler and Booth.I could be proven wrong, but that's how I see it.

How I see the lines, when Kes is back, is like this...................

Sedin/Sedin/Jensen.............................pure scoring line, hard for other teams to handle

Hansen/Kesler/Burrows........................number 1 checking line, will out score their checks

Booth/Schroeder/Kassin.......................Can crash and bash, but has the talent to score goals

Sestito/Lappy/Weise.............................Energy and size

Pinizzotto/Higgins/Raymond

I really like the first 2 lines and am not sold on the 3 line completely ( weak at center ), but I have not factored any deadline trades into this mix. Not sure about Kassin there either, but bringing in Jensen could really cause some good problems for AV and MG. Not sure how I put Pini, Higgi, and Raymond into the line up. I think I would also be bringing up Archibald for the playoffs for that size.

I really think we could take a good run with a 2/3 line center, and we have great assets for trade in, a combination of Booth, Raymond, Higgins, Luongo, Shcneider and our 2014 1st, that is a lot of talent to danggle out there.

Very confusing really, which is why I am a fan and AV and MG run the Canucks. What do you think of the first 2 lines...............any suggestiions? Feel free to make changes.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:06 AM

in your dreams, AV will never put a barely 20 years old on the first line.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:07 AM

Ray gets the call over kass but other then that I wouldn't mind seeing the combos.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:10 AM

Burrows and Kesler played well together when they were both agitating checkers, not sure how well they play together anymore though. Burrows will always be the 3rd Sedin in my book. Kesler needs a mature passing veteran winger in my opinion. Also maybe If Jensen starts scoring lots of goals maybe Kesler will have more faith and pass to him more.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:12 AM

I actually quite like those lines.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:27 AM

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in your dreams, AV will never put a barely 20 years old on the first line.

Yah, it's not like Kassian started the season there or anything.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:29 AM

Burrows is a natural left winger and Hansen is a right winger. Other then that, pretty decent
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:31 AM

Top line seems too easy to play against and not defensively aware enough. I think he'll be on the 2nd line with Kesler and Booth if he gets a chance this year. Sure he's not a playmaker but no one else really is either.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:32 AM

Yah, it's not like Kassian started the season there or anything.


He may have ment AV learned his lesson and will never do it again?
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:35 AM

Yah, it's not like Kassian started the season there or anything.


Yeah and he had success and was still demoted to the 4th line
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:37 AM

Assuming if we picked up a 3rd line center at the deadline how about a line of Jensen - Scroeder - Kesler? Now I know Scroeder is weak in the circle and Kesler is a former Selke winner and whatnot but we honestly need consistent production out of our 2nd line. Kesler can take the draws but his play has always been more suited to be a winger. It's painful to watch him go for the wrister time after time and Schroeder can distribute the puck well. Even Jensen - Schroeder - Kassian could be a solid line. I just think Schroeder is our best option of a 2nd line playmaker as it stands right now.

Edited by ButterBean, 02 March 2013 - 10:38 AM.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:42 AM

Higgins over Weise on the 4th. That's ridiculous.

Sedin - Sedin - Jensen
Burrows - Kesler - Kassian
Booth - Schroeder - Hansen
Sestito - Lapierre - Higgins

Raymond
Pinizzotto
Weise

We still have absolutely no idea how Jensen, Sestito or Pinizzotto will fair with this team. Those are some pretty big guesses.

Edited by CookieCrumbs, 02 March 2013 - 10:48 AM.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:46 AM

Yeah this dont make no sense like an ice cream standings don't you say much.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:52 AM

Yeah this dont make no sense like an ice cream standings don't you say much.


What did you just say?
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:53 AM

What did you just say?

lol Im pretty baked and didn't understand it. I'm glad its not just me. Yay paranoia
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:55 AM

Yeah this dont make no sense like an ice cream standings don't you say much.


You been drinking, Kassian's Face?
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:56 AM

Jensen 'the goal scorer' hasn't really looked like one since early in AIK's season. Lately, as the games become more important, he's become a bench-warmer.

He'll have to go to Chicago. If he looks tremendous all over the ice there, then he can be called up. If not, goodbye for 2-3 yrs.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:57 AM

I was trying to respond to the OP in a language he understands. Rubbish.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:01 AM

I was trying to respond to the OP in a language he understands. Rubbish.


I didn't see many grammar/spelling errors...
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:04 AM

Burrows and Kesler played well together when they were both agitating checkers, not sure how well they play together anymore though. Burrows will always be the 3rd Sedin in my book. Kesler needs a mature passing veteran winger in my opinion. Also maybe If Jensen starts scoring lots of goals maybe Kesler will have more faith and pass to him more.



Thinking you have it backwards
Kesler is the Centre, and needs to be the mature passing centre that great centres are made of
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:10 AM

Yeah don't expect him this year
Give him time to develop first, he shouldn't jump to the NHL right away, that's silliness.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:13 AM

Jensen would probably play on the 2nd line where we are the weakest,

and I only like the 3rd line if Schroeder can produce consistently
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:20 AM

Thinking you have it backwards
Kesler is the Centre, and needs to be the mature passing centre that great centres are made of


Are you saying Ryan could become a passing center?
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:31 AM

The amount of lineups listed above that have raymond and/or higgins excluded is laughable.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:47 AM

Kassian, Schroeder, Sestito, Weise all in the lineup at the expense of Higgins and Raymond...? What have you been smoking?
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:01 PM

I'd be excited to see Jensen with the Twins, he would go off!

Thing is; the Twins need a glue guy, and have always worked best with a guy who has speed, but is also willing to dig, fore check, go to the net, do their dirtiest work...

Kassian, Bitz, Lapierre and others have proven they can score when with the Twins, Jensen might a little more; but can he do what the Twins need in return?
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:13 PM

Before Kesler got injured, I was really hoping that the line combinations that were getting bandied about in the press, involving Jensen, might actually come to pass. A number of Canucks pundits were suggesting this:

2nd line: Jensen-Kesler-Kassian

And, after thinking about it, I found myself hoping that AV might actually try something like that (unlikely as it would be for two young players to be given such an important role as filling out the 2nd line with Kesler). But Jensen and Kassian are the future of this team's top six (as the overall roster stands right now) so it would ge great if they could start building some chemistry, especially with Kesler (who will be the only other top-six centre not named Sedin, until the twins eventually hang things up).

My hope was that the weak Northwest Division would allow the Canucks to keep the line of Jensen-Kesler-Kassian together for nearly the entire month of March (without having to shake-up the lines if the record wasn't great--only need to win enough games to make the playoffs). Let the young guys make mistakes and learn from them now. Let them get to know each other and build chemistry for the future. Also, let Kesler have two wingers who have the skill and creativity necessary that he might actually start passing the puck to his wingers. Jensen is a sniper with the size to go hard to the net and to hold position. We've all seen what Kassian can do when he plays significant minutes with talented linemates. I could really see this trio developing into something special: giving the Canucks a 2nd line (and eventually a 1st line) with upside (thinking positive here) similar to what Anaheim had with the "Kid Line" of Perry-Getzlaf-Penner.

Teams don't win Stanley Cups without significant contributions from their young players. We've seen prospects step into major roles during their rookie years on several recent championship teams.

If Kes hadn't have been hurt, I would have loved to see what a month of playing together (every game and against every opponent, no matter how many mistakes they make or how few points they're getting--AV puts the blender away and just locks this one in place for one month) could have done for that line. Maybe they prove themselves unready for this big a step and you go back to the usual Kesler "helicopter" line (no wings, at least in Kes's mind) and move Kass to the 4th and Jensen to the AHL. But maybe, just maybe, they click and the Canucks have a 2nd line that creates even more fear in their opponents than the twins's line (and thereby frees up the Sedins to face less pressure and net lower QualComp).

Unfortunately, this option is gone so we need to try to make do with a lineup without Kesler.

Until another centre becomes available, if forced to choose between Raymond or Burrows (or Hansen/Higgins/etc), I'd lean towards using Burr as the winger-turned-centre. CanucksArmy has (IIRC) a good article on why Burrows is the best choice. I tend to think that Burrows is the only player the Canucks have (who is not named Kesler or Sedin) who can carry a line and Burrows is fairly unique on this team (other than possibly Hansen) in his ability to ignite other players and heat up a line. So, given the current roster options, I suppose I'd temporarily go with some version of this:

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian/Jensen
Booth-Schroeder-Raymond
Higgins/Hansen-Burrows-Kassian/Jensen
Sestito/Wiese-Lappierre-Higgins/Hansen

until Pinner finishes his conditioning stint, then roll with:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Jensen-Schroeder-Kassian
Booth-Lappierre-Raymond
Higgins-Pinizzotto*-Hansen

*(Pinner can play all three forward positions (he's even listed as a centre on AHL.com), as have Hansen and Higgins, at times. Split the draws according to strong sides and who has more success).

Wiese and Sestito in pressbox, but can rotate in against larger, more physical lineups (or teams with grudges or rivalry history). All in all, the lines are fairly balanced and have good flexibility. Other than the Sedin line (which is the 1st line), the other lines can rotate positions 2-4 and share icetime according to who's playing best and which lines prove most successful in various situations. The Pinner line is not a 5-6 minutes/game line--give them more like 9-12 minutes/game (EV) plus PK. Lines 2 and 3 share the 2nd line O-starts and PP slots, while Lappy's line also plays some PK. Basically, the minutes are getting split-up fairly evenly, once you get past the Sedin's line (who should net around a total TOI/game over 20 minutes on most nights).

Hopefully, this lineup allows Jensen and Kassian to still build some chemistry together over the remainder of the season (until Kesler comes back from injury). If Kesler comes back and replaces Schroeder on a line where two large, dynamic, talented, and punishing wingers are playing well together, finding each other with passes, and potting some timely goals, then Kesler is certainly capable of jumping in and getting on board while the getting is good. Someone else made a good argument a while back (not sure if here or someplace else) that Kesler isn't unwilling to use his linemates, he just chooses the best play available and, more often than not, the skill/ability disparity on his lines means that the best plays are nearly always off of his stick. If he sees two wingers who consistently offer him better options, Kesler can easily become the good playmaker that he's been in the past (and not the "puckhog who doesn't use his linemates" that we've been hearing all too much about lately).

And, of course, when Kesler's back, the centres shift down (and Pinner goes to the pressbox):

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Jensen-Kesler-Kassian
Booth-Schroeder**-Raymond
Higgins-Lappierre-Hansen

Pinizzotto, Wiese/Sestito (whoever is playing better between Wiese and Sestito--and I think Pinner will be better than either of them)

**(Schroeder should hopefully slide into this line fairly well, given that he's played well with Raymond. Booth and Raymond stay together, from the previous line, so the chemistry remains partially intact)

Anyway, that's my $0.02. Time for ol' SISMIM to go back into hibernation for a little while longer. For those who know me, I promise I'll be back posting regularly soon, but my wife and I just had twins a few months back and we're, let's say... a little too busy for me to spend much time puttering around the CDC these days. :frantic:

On that note: sorry to everyone who hasn't received replies to PM's over the last year or so. I kinda dropped off the forums map completely and I'm not quite back on yet. Hoping to re-join these infuriating yet endearing boards very soon!
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:13 PM

Not sure where all the hate for Higgins is coming from this year--he seems to be in everyone's healthy scratch/trade proposals. IMO he has been one of our top forwards this year, probably longer. Can anyone explain?

Not sure where I'd place Jensen into your lineups, OP, but as it stands I'd have Higgins in instead of Booth. If Pin is healthy and assuming Sestito is performing adequately, I'd have Pinizzotto in over Weise.

Also I'd probably switch CH and JH. Bah, tough trying to shoehorn in an unknown into our lineup. Hopefully he does well in Chicago and we get a better look at him.

Edited by Vicky, 02 March 2013 - 12:19 PM.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:18 PM

Booth is a top 6, if they felt he didn't fit on top 6 once he was at game speed they would trade him, jensen hasn't proven anything at this level. Sedins can make pretty much anyone look good but have that long time chemistry with burrows. Kassian..... Well no one knows what kassian is going to show up each night he either plays like a 1st liner or a 4th line which will hopefully change with age. But end of the day with a healthy roster there ain't much room on our top 9 for this kid. Lots of contracts run out this summer tho and expect to see him get his fair shot at making it for next season
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:42 PM

Maybe next year, MAYBE.
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