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#1 TrogBurr24

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 03:57 PM

My two biggest concerns, Ill Start with Kesler. I feel he comes back from injury and he is going to play, like he thinks he is playing at his best. problem is, he is not, he needs to go back to doing the things that made him an all-round threat. his break out year, that summer he spent shooting pucks, working on his shot day after day, for two off seasons/seasons he has been injured and unable to do so. he still can shoot, but its not the same, he needs to go back to doing the easy things, he's not ready for hero mode yet. plus of course stop getting injured.

Now as for Kassian, it frustrates me nearly every shift this kid is on the ice. he seems so lost half the time. i get he is good he has hands he is strong, but his smarts need to improve, leaps and bounds. he doesn't ever seem to read plays. so often in his defensive zone i see him watching the play. Schnieder bailed him out twice last night. and getting it off the boards and out, cant always be a flick it past him and try and go around him. this is the NHL.

Those are two things i feel need to be addressed.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:09 PM

So... Shut 'em both down for the season?
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:10 PM

Kassians playing 4th line minutes give the kid a break. -_-

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:17 PM

Kass had a heck of a game against the Kings for being on the 3rd line. I think the days off are going to help him quite a bit. I think you are being too hard on both players and should allow them both more time.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

Kassian is fine, AV is just not doing his job probably playing the kid. Kesler, however I would worry about
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:26 PM

Kass had a heck of a game against the Kings for being on the 3rd line. I think the days off are going to help him quite a bit. I think you are being too hard on both players and should allow them both more time.

They already had Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday morning off
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:27 PM

move Kassian back in the top 6, give him the minutes he will be a force. he has no confidence right now, believe in this guy. i wana see him get 15 minutes a night. he will turn his game around.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:30 PM

So... Shut 'em both down for the season?

How does anything i said, have to do with shutting either of them down. good for you and your im so cool comment, keep up the good work plug.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

My two biggest concerns, Ill Start with Kesler. I feel he comes back from injury and he is going to play, like he thinks he is playing at his best. problem is, he is not, he needs to go back to doing the things that made him an all-round threat. his break out year, that summer he spent shooting pucks, working on his shot day after day, for two off seasons/seasons he has been injured and unable to do so. he still can shoot, but its not the same, he needs to go back to doing the easy things, he's not ready for hero mode yet. plus of course stop getting injured.

Now as for Kassian, it frustrates me nearly every shift this kid is on the ice. he seems so lost half the time. i get he is good he has hands he is strong, but his smarts need to improve, leaps and bounds. he doesn't ever seem to read plays. so often in his defensive zone i see him watching the play. Schnieder bailed him out twice last night. and getting it off the boards and out, cant always be a flick it past him and try and go around him. this is the NHL.

Those are two things i feel need to be addressed.

Please, please learn how to use punctuation correctly, this was a nightmare to read.

When it comes to Kassian I think you have to give him time. The kid is a good young hockey player and is still learning the game. NHL smarts come with experience, and thats what we are trying to give him. You can't expect him to instantly be able to read complex plays right away. Most of our forward core has been playing together their whole careers, and in time Kassian will be right there with them.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:43 PM

Please, please learn how to use punctuation correctly, this was a nightmare to read.

When it comes to Kassian I think you have to give him time. The kid is a good young hockey player and is still learning the game. NHL smarts come with experience, and thats what we are trying to give him. You can't expect him to instantly be able to read complex plays right away. Most of our forward core has been playing together their whole careers, and in time Kassian will be right there with them.

sorry for the Grammar, Im a plumber, not an Editor. why is everyone saying he needs time, and take it easy, not saying send him to the minors. Im saying the coaches need to simplify his game and address this. every game its the same thing. watch for it tonight. i get it is stuff that you develop. Doing the little things right are just as important as the impact plays.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:44 PM

How else would you want to get Kesler to spend months working on his shot again and getting healthier?

And you presented no solution regarding Kassian, so do we shut him down too?

Or just continue making redundant, whiny threads about said players?

That'll learn 'em.

How does anything i said, have to do with shutting either of them down. good for you and your im so cool comment, keep up the good work plug.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:48 PM

How else would you want to get Kesler to spend months working on his shot again and getting healthier?

And you presented no solution regarding Kassian, so do we shut him down too?

Or just continue making redundant, whiny threads about said players?

That'll learn 'em.

your on your own for the rest of this convo bud. this thread has nothing to do with whining. In fact I am a very happy Canuck fan, always have been. just a couple things i've noticed. feel need to be dealt with by coaching staff. so again good day to you.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 05:00 PM

So the coaching staff is going to make Kesler healthy and more resistant to further injury? Very nice.

Meanwhile Kassian's doing fine. Yes, he'll make the odd mistake and i'm certain the coaches have pointed them out.

If you'd quit complaining about responses and instead come up with some helpful thoughts, perhaps this thread wouldn't be so useless. Fair enough?

your on your own for the rest of this convo bud. this thread has nothing to do with whining. In fact I am a very happy Canuck fan, always have been. just a couple things i've noticed. feel need to be dealt with by coaching staff. so again good day to you.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

Please, please learn how to use punctuation correctly, this was a nightmare to read.

When it comes to Kassian I think you have to give him time. The kid is a good young hockey player and is still learning the game. NHL smarts come with experience, and thats what we are trying to give him. You can't expect him to instantly be able to read complex plays right away. Most of our forward core has been playing together their whole careers, and in time Kassian will be right there with them.


it wasnt that bad...
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 05:27 PM

So the coaching staff is going to make Kesler healthy and more resistant to further injury? Very nice.

Meanwhile Kassian's doing fine. Yes, he'll make the odd mistake and i'm certain the coaches have pointed them out.

If you'd quit complaining about responses and instead come up with some helpful thoughts, perhaps this thread wouldn't be so useless. Fair enough?

i think its time to come down off your pedestal, it seemed to have slipped all the way up your a$$.
my comment was clearly not what your implying. only that in MY opinion, both there games need to be simplified.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 06:00 PM

You think Kesler doesn't work onhis game? He's an NHL athlete.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 06:01 PM

Kass looked great when he played with the Twins; the difference is playing with guys good enough to enforce structure. Kassian's role became easy to figure out. And he went hard to the corner, back to the slot, to the end board in the cycle...

Part of the issue is playing with good players who control the play and Kassian can feed off that! Maybe we should accept that he is an offensive player and put him in those roles?

I'd like to find out if we have a Shanahan on our hands?

My two biggest concerns, Ill Start with Kesler. I feel he comes back from injury and he is going to play, like he thinks he is playing at his best. problem is, he is not, he needs to go back to doing the things that made him an all-round threat. his break out year, that summer he spent shooting pucks, working on his shot day after day, for two off seasons/seasons he has been injured and unable to do so. he still can shoot, but its not the same, he needs to go back to doing the easy things, he's not ready for hero mode yet. plus of course stop getting injured.

Now as for Kassian, it frustrates me nearly every shift this kid is on the ice. he seems so lost half the time. i get he is good he has hands he is strong, but his smarts need to improve, leaps and bounds. he doesn't ever seem to read plays. so often in his defensive zone i see him watching the play. Schnieder bailed him out twice last night. and getting it off the boards and out, cant always be a flick it past him and try and go around him. this is the NHL.

Those are two things i feel need to be addressed.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 06:05 PM

Kassian has looked great for the most part when it comes to positioning. I'm not so sure what you're talking about. He also makes some great offensive plays by using his teammates, and knowing when he can beat a guy 1 on 1 or not. If he can't stick handle around a guy, then he needs to put it in the corner, and beat him with his size. Watch a little closer, he's playing great for his first full season without bouncing between the N and the A.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 06:52 PM

I thought you were done.

Oh you're not? Excellent. However you haven't really added anything since your original brainwave, so now i guess I am done.

How does this end again? 'Good day sir?' Yeah.

i think its time to come down off your pedestal, it seemed to have slipped all the way up your a$$.
my comment was clearly not what your implying. only that in MY opinion, both there games need to be simplified.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 06:55 PM

Kass and Kesler = Kassler?
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:00 PM

Kassian is sure looking sharp tonight vs the flamers.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:28 PM

He has some dangerous looking plays each game. It will only be a matter of time before he starts producing in the bottom 6 and 2nd PP.
I think he has improved on his issue of being inconsistent. He is noticeable in every game, which he wasn't last year, and apparently hadn't been in Buffalo.

Edit: Improvement is all I am expecting from him, as long as he isn't hurting the team. So, I am pretty happy with him.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:29 PM

kassian should've stayed with the sedins
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:49 PM

Kassian needs to get some pointers from Booth and start forcefully driving to the net rather then taking a useless shot from 20 feet out.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

Kassian is a young kid, who is playing with............Lapierre on the 4th line. OF COURSE there is only so much he can do. When he was with the twins, he got points. Put him with 4 liners, no points.

It seems to take half a decade to crack into AV's "favourites". No, he should not be on first line all the time, but cut the kid some slack...........no offence to Lapierre, but what has he done lately? Kassian will never flourish with linemates with no points yet.....
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:38 PM

Keep in mind, this isn't the National Develop Kassian League (NDKL). We are looking for our best chance to win, and realistically Burrows is still the most productive fit with the Sedins. He makes them better. Kass will get his chance, but now is not the time.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:02 AM

Fire AV to change things a bit.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:22 PM

Fire AV to change things a bit.

I like to sprinkle dill in my vanilla tapioca pudding just to change things up a bit. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.

There does happen to be a coach on the market who could be a decent replacement, which is the only reason your comment has any validity. Lindy Ruff is a good coach, and unless there is a coach like him on the market, there is no reason to fire AV. He does a good job.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:30 PM

Kasisian is coming along fine...after that good start I think the expectations got a bit high.....One thing I have noticed about him is his lack of mobility sometimes..I guess that's what happens when you're a big player (although I always bought that Bertuzzi was a good skater)
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