Breakdown of Ballards play

[wallstreetamigo]

Did AV say this? do you have a link for the quote or video?

[Barry_Wilkins]

If pointing out the obvious (ie: Ballards play needs to be improved) is considered scolding by you, I'd hate to see how you'd react if we had a coach like Torterella here...

[canuck73_3]

Why, what difference does it make? It actually is not true if you watch the games and directly contradicts what was said earlier about the coaching staff being willing to play all 3 pairs against any line on the opposition.

So, which is it AV?

[WL Canuck Fan]

No,what CDC wants to see is consistency and not what is viewed as hypocrisy.

We want that out of the referees and we want that out of the GM,coach and the players.

As noted in the often inconsistent,high risk play of Bieksa and Eddie ,there are no demotions or scoldings and certainly no benchings.

[Mad_Duck]

Actually AV does it on the rare occasion. Remember the comment Kesler needs to utilize his linemates more? Maybe bc Kesler seems like a grumpy person so AV is scared of the one to one lol

[Aladeen]

Why, what difference does it make? It actually is not true if you watch the games and directly contradicts what was said earlier about the coaching staff being willing to play all 3 pairs against any line on the opposition.

So, which is it AV?

All this is is another unnecessary shot at a player from AV. He never had to add this part to his comments but chose to in order to demean the player. There is really no other reason to phrase it the way he did.

[canucksnihilist]

Ya, apparently he has not been playing well.

I think we all keep expecting him to start winning a spot higher up the ladder on the team. But it's not happening. AV might not like him, who knows, but it wouldn't matter if he was playing like a star.

[37yrsncounting]

The coach and GM should never,ever call out their players in public,yet Mikey and Alain seem to enjoy the art of deflection:

Keith is always matched up against third and fourth liners and the last couple of games, his performance had slipped,” explained the coach. “It shouldn't have been a surprise to him that he got sat out. He had been told three out of the last four games weren't what we wanted and we decided to make a change for the benefit of the team. Now he's getting another opportunity tonight.”

[Ohnoeszz]

So here is what is not properly addressed in your post. You talk about what you perceive to be inconsistent high risk play out of Bieksa and Edler.

But statistically you are talking about are these two guys;

KB3 and ED23 were ranked 3rd and 28th in the +/- among defencemen in the 2010/11 season while their respective partners were ranked 7th and 14th. They achieved this while playing reduced seasons due to injuries. They also tripled and quadrupled KB4's points and surpassed his +/-

In 2011/12 their +/- dipped, but their points went up, KB3 recording 44 while ED23 recorded 49 points. This placed them 7th and 13th among defencemen. KB4? Same point total as the year before, 7, his +/- also down.

The stats show the consistency, not the perception on the ice. What we perceive is often not the case, and is certainly not what these players are doing consistently, but rather what they are doing at a single particular moment on the ice.

To isolate a moment and use it as though it were the totality of a players play is poor management, or, rather, arm-chair management, not on the ice coaching.

[37yrsncounting]

Why, what difference does it make? It actually is not true if you watch the games and directly contradicts what was said earlier about the coaching staff being willing to play all 3 pairs against any line on the opposition.

So, which is it AV?

All this is is another unnecessary shot at a player from AV. He never had to add this part to his comments but chose to in order to demean the player. There is really no other reason to phrase it the way he did.

[canuck73_3]

Ballards agent questioned his playing time in public so AV answered with a logical response in public

whats wrong with that?

[wallstreetamigo]

I was asking if that was a quote directly taken from av why are you such an ass all the time.

[wallstreetamigo]

Ballards agent questioned his playing time in public so AV answered with a logical response in public

whats wrong with that?

[Canuck hero]

truth of the matter is ballard is only good with tanev and thats because tanev is good....its always been about ballard and tanev... and honestly the same should be said about all the d... to me it seems like we don't have the right chemistry on defense....no one seems to be in the groove with each other....

[WL Canuck Fan]

Thank you. I wanted to post a similar explanation but it kept dissolving into jarbled swearing.

[Boudrias]

The problem has never been that Vigneault has not articulated to the players what he wants, the problem is CDC expects Vigneault to articulate it to THEM. There is often here an expectation of transparency that is borderline ridiculous.

No coach is going to go on national TV and start throwing players under the bus, ie "Henrik had a crap night in the faceoff circle tonight, he needs to pick it up or he can expect to play on the second line", or "Kesler has been a puck hog of late and needs to use his wingers more effectively, if not he's gonna have Lappy in the middle and Weise on the other side of him." or "Hamhuis was put with Edler to babysit him, and he's not doing a very good job of that so I think I'll pair him with Tanev next game to wake him up".

But somehow we expect all that info to be shared with us.

Sorry fellas, ain't gonna happen

[Gross-Misconduct]

You know what we need? Another Ballard thread