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#1 key2thecup

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:36 PM

Davos 2013: Kissinger says Iran nuclear crisis close

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A nuclear war in the Middle East would be a "turning point in human history," says Mr Kissinger

Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has warned that a crisis involving a nuclear Iran is in the "foreseeable future". The Nobel Peace laureate, 89, was speaking about prospects in the Middle East at the World Economic Forum.

He said nuclear proliferation in the region triggered by an armed Iran would increase the chances of an atomic war - "a turning point in human history".

He also urged the US and Russia to co-operate in resolving Syria's conflict.
"There has emerged in the region, the current and most urgent issue of nuclear proliferation. For 15 years, the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) have declared that a nuclear Iran is unacceptable, but it has been approaching," he said.

"In a few years, people will have to come to a determination of how to react, or the consequences of non-reaction.
"I believe this point will be reached in a very foreseeable future," he added.
'Nuclear war'

In his assessment of the stand-off between Iran and Western powers over its nuclear programme - which Tehran argues is for peaceful and civilian purposes - Mr Kissinger called for "serious" negotiations on both sides to look for solutions.

"Unilateral intervention by Israel would be a desperate last resort, but the Iranians have to understand that if they keep using the negotiations to gain time to complete a nuclear programme then the situation will become extremely dangerous."

The consequences of Tehran's programme, he said, would be that other countries in the region would also want nuclear arms.

"The danger is that we could be reaching a point where nuclear weapons would become almost conventional, and there will be the possibility of a nuclear conflict at some point... that would be a turning point in human history," he said.

"If Iran acts as a nation and not as a revolutionary cause, there is no reason for America or other permanent members of the UNSC to be in conflict with it, nor any countries in the region. On that basis I would hope that a negotiated solution would be found in a measurable time."
Meanwhile, Mr Kissinger advocated a US-Russia understanding over the conflict in Syria, while opposing military intervention.

"The Syrian problem would best be dealt internationally by Russia and America not making it a contest of national interests," he said.

"I would hope that the undertaking of the US foreign policy will not be be characterised by the divisions that we see in [its] domestic policy."

http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-21177535

Obama not bluffing over Iran military threat, Biden tells Aipac

Vice-president tells Aipac that military option remains on the table for Obama to prevent Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon

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Barack Obama's threats to use military force to prevent Iran securing a nuclear weapon are more than idle bluffs, vice-president Joe Biden told the biggest pro-Israeli lobbying group Aipac on Monday.

Biden said that while the US preferred a diplomatic solution to the standoff with Iran, a military option remained on the table.

"The president of the United States cannot, and does not, bluff. President Barack Obama is not bluffing," Biden told the audience in Washington.

Israel is seeking assurances of support from the US, should it decide to launch air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities.....

http://www.guardian....ech-iran-threat

Netanyahu: Iran closer to nuclear 'red line'

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu points to a red line he drew on a graphic of a bomb while addressing the United Nations General Assembly on September 27, 2012

AFP - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday that diplomacy has so far failed to deter Iran from pursuing its nuclear program, warning it was getting closer to crossing a crucial "red line."

"Iran is getting closer to that red line, and it is putting itself in that position to cross it," Netanyahu told the largest American pro-Israel lobby via satellite, referring to the point at which Israel believes Iran would be able to build a nuclear weapon.

http://www.france24....uclear-red-line

Clock Runs as Obama Faces Pressure for Strike on Iran

The pressure on President Barack Obama’s administration to move toward military action is growing as Iran advances its uranium enrichment capabilities, and U.S. lawmakers, Israel and Persian Gulf allies press for results.

Today, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said negotiating time is “finite.”
“The clock is ticking and the president has made that clear,” Kerry said in an interview in Doha with Andrea Mitchell of NBC News. “The president’s policy is that Iran will not get a nuclear weapon".....

http://www.bloomberg...ke-on-iran.html

Top General: At Least One Arab State to Go Nuclear If Iran Does

CENTCOM head: 'At least one other nation...at a leadership level, they have assured me they would not stay without a nuclear weapon if Iran armed'

Commander of U.S. Central Command Gen. James Mattis said Tuesday that ”at least one other nation” has told him “at the leadership level” they will seek nuclear weapons if Iran goes nuclear:


SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R., S.C.): If the Iranians develop a nuclear capability, how certain are you that other nations in the region would acquire an equal capability?
MATTIS: At least one other nation has told me they would do that, at a leadership level, they have assured me they would not stay without a nuclear weapon if Iran armed.
GRAHAM: Was that a Sunni-Arab state?
MATTIS: Yes, sir.
GRAHAM: So the likelihood of Sunni-Arab states acquiring nuclear capability to counter the Shia Persians is great, would you not agree with that?
MATTIS: I agree, and also other non-Sunni-Arab states in the general region.


The statements by Mattis contradict the findings of a recent report drafted by former Obama Pentagon official Colin Kahl and produced for the Center for New American Security. That report argues that Saudi Arabia–as well as other states–would be unlikely to develop nuclear weapons if Iran acquired nuclear weapons.

http://freebeacon.co...ar-mattis-says/


Edited by key2thecup, 05 March 2013 - 02:37 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:13 PM

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:46 PM

War drums are overrated.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:48 PM

Since no one has used a nuclear weapon on people since the end of world war two, why the big worry? TO me having the nuke means no one will nuke me. It worked for the Russia, America, Britian, France, Pakistan, India and others.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:59 PM

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Israel trying to use America as a puppet again?

What else is new.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:23 PM

Israel trying to use America as a puppet again?

What else is new.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:54 PM

This just sounds like a continuation of whats been going on for decades. Empty threats.

I mean, how could anyone take Netanyahoo's "bomb" diagram seriously?
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:06 PM


All of this is just propaganda in order to get Iran's oil. It was the same thing with Iraq and their "Weapons of Mass Destruction" which was never found. Even if Iran acquires nuclear weapons, they wouldn't use it because of the consequences. Even Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:06 PM

Israel has enough weapons, and has the ultra aggressive foreign policy, now they just need their balls to drop. They won't go tinkle without the US going into the washroom with them holding their hand.

I find it funny they can't form a coalition (reduced to pleading to sycophantic politicians from other nations by showing George Bush-esque illustrations) or confident enough to just take Iran by themselves. :lol:

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:09 PM

Since no one has used a nuclear weapon on people since the end of world war two, why the big worry? TO me having the nuke means no one will nuke me. It worked for the Russia, America, Britian, France, Pakistan, India and others.


This is just another propaganda from US and Israel. It is really getting tiring seeing all these doomsday articles about how a nuclear Iran is the end of the world. Give me a break. The Jewish centered media is just using scare tactics to weaken their enemies. I think the sanctions have really hurt Iran more than a war would have.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:10 PM

Israel has enough weapons, and has the ultra aggressive foreign policy, now they just need their balls to drop. They won't go tinkle without the US going into the washroom with them holding their hand.

I find it funny they can't form a coalition or confident enough to just take Iran by themselves. :lol:


Israel won't go into war alone because they know it wouldn't necessarily benefit them. They want big daddy USA to strike Iran first while they watch from the sidelines.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:12 PM

This just sounds like a continuation of whats been going on for decades. Empty threats.

I mean, how could anyone take Netanyahoo's "bomb" diagram seriously?


That was the funniest thing I've ever seen.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:44 PM

It is not just Israel that is concerned, Saudi Arabia and other kingdom states are concerned.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:47 PM

More fear propaganda. What else is new?
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:50 PM

It is not just Israel that is concerned, Saudi Arabia and other kingdom states are concerned.


Saudi's are a lapdog for the West. Brits bought that "royalty" to power.

Saudi's (gov) are not friends with Iranians (gov). Shiite v Sunni thing. Its not hard so see the Saudi's are filled with glee knowing the West might/about to attack Iran.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:56 PM

Nothing to worry about. They aren't a threat to us nor the Americans. The Americans are to them though.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:02 AM

OMG, it's a drawing of a bomb! And the fuse is lit! Reminded me of a Bugs Bunny cartoon.
And yes, they are bluffing.Untill Israel opens the doors to nuclear inspectors they should keep their hypocritical mouths shut.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:11 AM

All of this is just propaganda in order to get Iran's oil. It was the same thing with Iraq and their "Weapons of Mass Destruction" which was never found. Even if Iran acquires nuclear weapons, they wouldn't use it because of the consequences. Even Pakistan has nuclear weapons.


Very funny, considering that the US gets 10 times more oil from Canada and Mexico combined than from Iraq. Also considering that Iraq now produces half as much as it did during Saddam's time, so the whole going after Iraq's oil doesn't logistically make sense.

I think the ones that should be worried is Russia. If I was in their position, I would rather have someone within my sphere of influence who can't nuke me.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:38 AM

The real threat from a nuclear Iran isn't so much the nukes themselves but the fact that they'll be able to become even more a stronghold of terrorism and clandestine warfare than they already are.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:42 AM

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:43 AM

Also Saudi Arabia is the Taliban with money and US support
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:35 AM

Very funny, considering that the US gets 10 times more oil from Canada and Mexico combined than from Iraq. Also considering that Iraq now produces half as much as it did during Saddam's time, so the whole going after Iraq's oil doesn't logistically make sense.

I think the ones that should be worried is Russia. If I was in their position, I would rather have someone within my sphere of influence who can't nuke me.


Russia is Iran's ally and besides that is extremely well defended against ballistic, cruise and bomber attack.

The real danger is Iran employing them against mideast oil wells or the Straights of Hormuz, or even just threating to.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:48 AM

Kissinger, WTF? That old sack of excrement warhorse still around causing trouble? Some people are in an awful hurry to get WWIII off and rolling.... :sadno:
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:43 AM

good thing I live in the middle of nowhere
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:20 PM

Kissinger = pro-Israel Jew

Are we surprised that he'd try to drum up fear to support an attack against Israel's enemies?
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:31 PM

All of this is just propaganda in order to get Iran's oil. It was the same thing with Iraq and their "Weapons of Mass Destruction" which was never found. Even if Iran acquires nuclear weapons, they wouldn't use it because of the consequences. Even Pakistan has nuclear weapons.


It has nothing to do with oil.

It's just another piece in the Grand Chessboard.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:02 PM

We see once again that even the Democrats--despite being the party of choice of those opposed to this sort of thing--are not completely free from the influences of the pro-Israel and the military-industrial complex lobbyists.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:07 PM

Pakistan and India were at war when they both went nuclear. Yet, nobody spoke up about it.

Wasn't that more potentially world-changing than Iran going nuclear?

And don't forget about N. Korea.

This isn't anything but yet another grab for oil. But they'll need to try harder to justify an all-out invasion of Iran. Probably time for another false flag operation.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:09 PM

Pakistan and India were at war when they both went nuclear. Yet, nobody spoke up about it.

Wasn't that more potentially world-changing than Iran going nuclear?

And don't forget about N. Korea.

This isn't anything but yet another grab for oil. But they'll need to try harder to justify an all-out invasion of Iran. Probably time for another false flag operation.


Which others are you referring to?
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

Pakistan and India were at war when they both went nuclear. Yet, nobody spoke up about it.

Wasn't that more potentially world-changing than Iran going nuclear?

And don't forget about N. Korea.

This isn't anything but yet another grab for oil. But they'll need to try harder to justify an all-out invasion of Iran. Probably time for another false flag operation.



Because those previous invasions did so much for the USA when it comes to accessing middle eastern oil....

The oil supply in Iraq is only now reaching pre-invasion levels:

http://www.indexmund....aph=production

America only gets a tiny fraction of their oil from Iraq:

http://www.eia.gov/d....im0_mbbl_m.htm

The US was getting far more Iraqi oil in the years proir to the latest invasion:

http://www.eia.gov/d....s=MTTIMIZ1&f=M

So basically....the US invaded Iraq, drove up the price of oil dramtically, in order to gain greater access to a fraction of a percent of their oil supply? And now they are planning to do the same thing in Iran?

Believe it or not, the USA is actually making good on their promiss to wean themselves off middle eastern oil:

http://www.eia.gov/d....s=MTTIMXX1&f=M

The plan for the USA is to devest themselves from middle eastern oil, not get more involved in it.
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