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#1 CanuckLeaf

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:52 PM

I missed the last couple games due to work, I noticed Raymond put up a few points playing center but wouldn't Schroeder be a better replacement for Kesler?(like at the start of the season) Raymond looks good but his faceoff numbers don't look so great.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:59 PM

on offense more affect than Kesler...
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:00 AM

I'd personally want Schroeder as second line centre but Raymond, Higgins, and Hansen work well together. So kind off hard who to take out of that second like for Schroeder.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:02 AM

That line: Higgins, Raymond and Hansen is our most effective line with the amount of icetime they get. They don't give up short handed goals, they all kill penalties, and they don't kill our power-plays on behalf of the other team like the Sedins. Even when they lose the draw, they are so fast and aggressive on the puck that they normally recover it right away. Of course since our lines were working so well all game at creating chances, AV had to dissassemble them in the third period in order, along with his shoot-out combinations, and not playing Booth (who had a good game) and Higgins in OT, managed to insure that we would lose again. Well done AV, your master plan is flawless.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:02 AM

perfect line, puts up points, 2-way, and is only costing like 5m
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:03 AM

Hansen and Higgins have definatly developed some chemistry, but i will argue Raymond isnt exactly an effective team mate, I notice them doing all the work and possession and raymond shoots or back to the point.

Im glad his shot is working for him this year but he is just not a play maker.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:04 AM

Mayray and Hansen have unbelievable chemistry and I really want to see them STAY TOGETHER I also really like Higgins playing with them as it seems to have helped Higgy's game. He seems to be more aggressive out there. so I hope AV doesn't break up this line BUT its AV so.......

. I am not quite sure if MayRay as Center is working just yet I want to give it more time because I think he has potential as a Center and at this point I would suggest trying anything to keep that line together. Though I think someone should work with Mayray to help me figure out how to win draws better because correct me if I am wrong but I think he is still having issues there.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:07 AM

I'd personally want Schroeder as second line centre but Raymond, Higgins, and Hansen work well together. So kind off hard who to take out of that second like for Schroeder.



Personally I dont even want him on the team at this point..we need a better center than Shredder...
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:08 AM

If Raymond worked on his faceoffs more and got a little grittier we'd have one of the best 3rd lines in the league.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:10 AM

I even noticed Hansen at centre once tonight, how strange. No, I think we should stick to our natural C's!

Edited by kmotamed, 06 March 2013 - 12:11 AM.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:12 AM

Personally, I'd put Schroeder with Booth and Higgins and Raymond centering Kassian and Hansen.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:13 AM

Personally I dont even want him on the team at this point..we need a better center than Shredder...

It's really AVs fault why he's not playing well, I mean might aswell send him back down to wolves and play around 18+min rather than playing in the 4th line and not get anywhere
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:14 AM

If Raymond worked on his faceoffs more and got a little grittier we'd have one of the best 3rd lines in the league.


I think we could put together 3 lines of third liners together, cause we have a gluttony of them.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:19 AM

Yes he's pretty good until he steps into the faceoff dot.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:29 AM

If Raymond worked on his faceoffs more and got a little grittier we'd have one of the best 3rd lines in the league.


Yes! I agree. I wonder if they could bring Manny in as a specialist coach to help Raymond work on those faceoffs?? I am not sure if Mayray can become gritty though.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:36 AM

That line: Higgins, Raymond and Hansen is our most effective line with the amount of icetime they get. They don't give up short handed goals, they all kill penalties, and they don't kill our power-plays on behalf of the other team like the Sedins. Even when they lose the draw, they are so fast and aggressive on the puck that they normally recover it right away. Of course since our lines were working so well all game at creating chances, AV had to dissassemble them in the third period in order, along with his shoot-out combinations, and not playing Booth (who had a good game) and Higgins in OT, managed to insure that we would lose again. Well done AV, your master plan is flawless.


I couldn't beleive when I saw AV had split up Hansen and MayRay in the third. WHat is his problem with success?!! Was he trying to get the Sedins going at the expense of a line that was actually playing exteremely well ni all three zones? DId he think it was a reward to put Hanse with the twins who he has no chemistry with and who play a different style completely than he and MayRay and Higgins?

It's like he has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder ansd just can't help himself. Even when he finds something that works after weeks of juggling, he has to tinker with it..

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:38 AM

Obviously he's not gonna slay in the dot right away. In time I think he can improve his faceoffs, get more comfortable at the position and be pretty dang good. Looked dangerous ever since making the change so far.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:38 AM

Yes! I agree. I wonder if they could bring Manny in as a specialist coach to help Raymond work on those faceoffs?? I am not sure if Mayray can become gritty though.


He can't become gritty but Hansen and Higgins are and MayRay is very fast and sees his wingers very well i.e. the pass to Hansen on tonight's goal. That line's speed and tenacity gave SJS fits all night, I thik it would be worth working with MayRay in the circle to improve faceoffs. Never hurst to have a winger who can play center when you need it.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:02 AM

I actually liked all the lines I saw the last couple games. Raymond is filling in decently, better than Burrows did.... which totally surprises me. I was certain it would be a disaster.

AV is managing the bench really well and getting them out on shift changes while play is still going on so that Raymond didn't have to take near as many face offs. Higgins and Hansen have just been monster on the puck the last two games.

This is also the first time except for about 10 games last year that I have seen any use in Booth at all. He is benefiting from the fact that Kassian is a great passer (did anyone see Kassian becoming that playmaker we needed for the 2nd line? I would be very interested to see if those two guys with Kesler could create something. Three big strong guys who can skate pretty well.

Schroeder needs to go back to the AHL. He had a good little run the first few games when he was in shape from having played, but the rest of the league were rusty from the lockout. As soon as they got their legs he has been what would be expected. We need to get a centre from somewhere, preferably one that could fill in for Kesler temporarily so Lapierre can go back to the 4th line.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:44 AM

Hansen and Higgins have definatly developed some chemistry, but i will argue Raymond isnt exactly an effective team mate, I notice them doing all the work and possession and raymond shoots or back to the point.

Im glad his shot is working for him this year but he is just not a play maker.


Ya, the drop pass to Hansen tonight was brutal.

MayRay is just a little too weak to be overly effective at faceoffs, unless he wins the draws on clean quickness he isn't effective. Otherwise I don't mind what he's doing out there, has the wheels to get back in position when he finds himself out of it.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:10 AM

Honestly think Lappy and JS should swap...not that lappy can't handle the offensive aspect of the game but JS is rly not a 4th liner.

Im glad raymond is doing well in center although i think higgins would have been the better choice.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:11 AM

JS is simply being outplayed at this point and time thus the reason he's on the fourth line. Mayray's speed serves him well as a centre and he seems to be distributing the puck better than when he was playing on the wing.

As suggested earlier, once/if Mayray can improve to 55% on the dot, HRH could become an extremely interesting third line.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:42 AM

I couldn't beleive when I saw AV had split up Hansen and MayRay in the third. WHat is his problem with success?!! Was he trying to get the Sedins going at the expense of a line that was actually playing exteremely well ni all three zones? DId he think it was a reward to put Hanse with the twins who he has no chemistry with and who play a different style completely than he and MayRay and Higgins?

It's like he has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder ansd just can't help himself. Even when he finds something that works after weeks of juggling, he has to tinker with it..


Exactly what I said a week ago. He thinks this team is so good he finds a way to handicap them each night.

Edited by Bodee, 06 March 2013 - 05:43 AM.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:53 AM

I actually liked all the lines I saw the last couple games. Raymond is filling in decently, better than Burrows did.... which totally surprises me. I was certain it would be a disaster.

AV is managing the bench really well and getting them out on shift changes while play is still going on so that Raymond didn't have to take near as many face offs. Higgins and Hansen have just been monster on the puck the last two games.

This is also the first time except for about 10 games last year that I have seen any use in Booth at all. He is benefiting from the fact that Kassian is a great passer (did anyone see Kassian becoming that playmaker we needed for the 2nd line? I would be very interested to see if those two guys with Kesler could create something. Three big strong guys who can skate pretty well.

Schroeder needs to go back to the AHL. He had a good little run the first few games when he was in shape from having played, but the rest of the league were rusty from the lockout. As soon as they got their legs he has been what would be expected. We need to get a centre from somewhere, preferably one that could fill in for Kesler temporarily so Lapierre can go back to the 4th line.



Why not try something imaginative.

I would like to see something imaginative like a 4th line of:

Sweatt - Schroeder - Vandermeer/Sestito

I know we have just got Sestito but quite frankly I think VanD can do everything Sestito can do and better. He has averaged over 5 points a season in the last 5 seasons which isn't bad for a fighting D. I think that line could score goals. Sweatt is no lightweight and Vandermeer can make sure Schroeder doesn't take any cheap shots.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:40 AM

The line has good chemistry. I thought mayray struggled at times last night as a C due to sj's size...

But, the second goal was shift of the year including hammer and JaGar.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:18 AM

Hansen and Higgins have definatly developed some chemistry, but i will argue Raymond isnt exactly an effective team mate, I notice them doing all the work and possession and raymond shoots or back to the point.

Im glad his shot is working for him this year but he is just not a play maker.

Not sure what you are watching. Maybe take the Raymond-Hate glasses off.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:19 AM

Honestly think Lappy and JS should swap...not that lappy can't handle the offensive aspect of the game but JS is rly not a 4th liner.

Im glad raymond is doing well in center although i think higgins would have been the better choice.

agreed.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:21 AM

I couldn't beleive when I saw AV had split up Hansen and MayRay in the third. WHat is his problem with success?!! Was he trying to get the Sedins going at the expense of a line that was actually playing exteremely well ni all three zones? DId he think it was a reward to put Hanse with the twins who he has no chemistry with and who play a different style completely than he and MayRay and Higgins?

It's like he has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder ansd just can't help himself. Even when he finds something that works after weeks of juggling, he has to tinker with it..

I usually side with Av but this move had me puzzled as well.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:23 AM

I think its too early to say as of yet. But in the short sample he has done adequete for sure, just his faceoffs arent up to par. The main thing that helps him is he has the speed.

not sold on him as a permanent fix for that spot or making him our 3rd line center
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:26 AM

Hansen and Higgins have definatly developed some chemistry, but i will argue Raymond isnt exactly an effective team mate, I notice them doing all the work and possession and raymond shoots or back to the point.

Im glad his shot is working for him this year but he is just not a play maker.


I didn't see this, I thought he did a good job at center for a winger taking on a new roll.
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