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#61 honey badger36

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:58 AM

He's a rookie and he's playing tough minutes. He will be great in a couple seasons. Right now his main focus should be on not hurting the team defensively and just getting comfortable in the NHL. I feel Canucks management is developing him quite well giving him looks in all types of game situations. He's an undersized rookie who has been thrown into the deep end he's gonna tread water for a bit before he learns to swim. Don't give up on him just yet.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:24 PM

Typical cdc...zero patience.!...JS is not lighting it up,but he;s not really hurting the team either..The focus should be more on our underachieving vets.Not the 4th line rookie.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:34 PM

Silly fans never learn.

So we trade Schroeder, which would be our fourth 1st round pick in 6 years, and then he goes on and lights it up for another team.

Seriously are you not learning from what has happened in the past few years? You don't give up on young talent before they get a chance to prove themselves. Unless we're getting young talent like a Johansson or Couturier back.

I agree. There is such a lack of patience and scope of the big picture around here.It takes time to develop good players.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:39 PM

Yes. Lets trade Schroeder. He really hasn't shown enough to keep that spot ON THE FOURTH LINE!


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:43 PM

Also his PP time is spent on the point, where he is completely unfamiliar and unsuitable for.


I thought he looked really strong playing the point on the power play. Confident and commanding the puck, and also distributing it.

Hell, aside from the Sedins, he looked in charge back there.

Not sure what game you were watching.
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#66 ChuckNORRIS4Cup

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:01 PM

Silly fans never learn.

So we trade Schroeder, which would be our fourth 1st round pick in 6 years, and then he goes on and lights it up for another team.

Seriously are you not learning from what has happened in the past few years? You don't give up on young talent before they get a chance to prove themselves. Unless we're getting young talent like a Johansson or Couturier back.


Seriously silly fans? It's the fans who allowed the GM to trade away all our prospects? Out of all the prospects that have been gone in the last few years, it sucks we are only left with Schroeder, who was always under sized before he came into the NHL and people are now realizing he is under sized what? What games do people watch?

Point is MG is a getting played, because AV doesn't know how to utilize his propsects properly, so MG makes a trade and gets ride of them, hense MG being played by AV, because he doens't know how to coach. It's not the fans fault they can't make a trade, it's MG and AV.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:21 PM

Yes. Lets trade Schroeder. He really hasn't shown enough to keep that spot ON THE FOURTH LINE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pyGSyfkO6I&feature=player_embedded


To be fair Hodgson wanted out. So we can't keep him. And Schroeder isn't Hodgson. I am not saying Schroeder would be great or not, but I am just saying that not every prospect will turn out great. It depends.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:36 PM

I think a Booth-Schroeder-Kassian line would be sick, and Lapierre with Sestito will cause some trouble, c'mon AV, get with it.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:37 PM

Yes. Lets trade Schroeder. He really hasn't shown enough to keep that spot ON THE FOURTH LINE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pyGSyfkO6I&feature=player_embedded


AV would have benched CoHo for that. If he had turned the puck over with all that fancy dangling, there could have been an odd man rush the other way. Totally unnacceptable on an AV team.

Face it, AV coaches "always stay on the defensive side of the puck" because he has a phobia agianst goving up goals even if that means they have trouble scoring themselves. CHicago "cheats" on teh offensive side of the puck which leads to numerous golden scoring opportunities. THey trust that their D and goalies can bail them out when it goes badly and that their forwards are fast enough and smart enough to read the play and getback if trouble develops. AV isn't a rrisk taker which is one reason our breakouts are deplorable, slow and readable. Nothing creative or determined to be a "cheat" play is tolerated.

Even the Sedins generate offence from the deep cycle which is defensively "safe". Even then, when they have drawn teh defending team deep because of their cycle, they seldom feed toe wide open point for a shot because that has the risk of being missed or intercepted and they might get trapped deep (and are slow skaters). Instead, they sometimes cycle for 40 - 60 seconds, intotal control fo the puck without generating a single shot or scoring opportunity.

AV has not created a run-and-gun team (Chicago) and he has note created a defensive specialist team (Nashville). They are not big and mean enough to follow the Boston model either. He has created s mix of styles that places players in roles they are not suited for (Schroeder).

CoHo wanted out because he knew he would never be able to show what he could do offensively under AV. Even when Kesler was injured and not producing, he got 0 chance to be more than a 3rd line checker. AV is telling MG he needs a bigger more experienced center by playing Schroeder on the 4th. Just like he told MG he needed Garrison, Kassian, Booth, HIggins, etc.

WIth AV it's always the personnel that need to change.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:44 PM

AV would have benched CoHo for that. If he had turned the puck over with all that fancy dangling, there could have been an odd man rush the other way. Totally unnacceptable on an AV team.

Face it, AV coaches "always stay on the defensive side of the puck" because he has a phobia agianst goving up goals even if that means they have trouble scoring themselves. CHicago "cheats" on teh offensive side of the puck which leads to numerous golden scoring opportunities. THey trust that their D and goalies can bail them out when it goes badly and that their forwards are fast enough and smart enough to read the play and getback if trouble develops. AV isn't a rrisk taker which is one reason our breakouts are deplorable, slow and readable. Nothing creative or determined to be a "cheat" play is tolerated.

Even the Sedins generate offence from the deep cycle which is defensively "safe". Even then, when they have drawn teh defending team deep because of their cycle, they seldom feed toe wide open point for a shot because that has the risk of being missed or intercepted and they might get trapped deep (and are slow skaters). Instead, they sometimes cycle for 40 - 60 seconds, intotal control fo the puck without generating a single shot or scoring opportunity.

AV has not created a run-and-gun team (Chicago) and he has note created a defensive specialist team (Nashville). They are not big and mean enough to follow the Boston model either. He has created s mix of styles that places players in roles they are not suited for (Schroeder).

CoHo wanted out because he knew he would never be able to show what he could do offensively under AV. Even when Kesler was injured and not producing, he got 0 chance to be more than a 3rd line checker. AV is telling MG he needs a bigger more experienced center by playing Schroeder on the 4th. Just like he told MG he needed Garrison, Kassian, Booth, HIggins, etc.

WIth AV it's always the personnel that need to change.


It's ridiculous that we have 2 elite goaltenders, a selke winner, 2 art ross trophy winners, one of the best d-cores in the league and we still have to play a defensive type of game and not let any players have any creativity offensively.

It would be nice to have a coach who can make some new strategies offensively, we shouldn't have to worry about the defensive side of the game as much as we do with the players we have.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:44 PM

Hard to produce when you are playing ten minutes a game, mostly with Tito and Weise.

Also his PP time is spent on the point, where he is completely unfamiliar and unsuitable for.

Making assumptions?

Jordan Schroeder regularly played the point on the Chicago Wolves power play.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:16 PM

I'd like to see him get top minutes in Chicago, but we need centers right now and we don't really have any better options. He's responsible defensively and can chip in on the powerplay. People seem to forget that Hodgson spent much of his first season with the Canucks centering the fourth line. It's about getting experience and learning how to be a pro, the offensive skills will get there.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:16 PM

Under AV, prospects never shine.


Feel free to elaborate that point.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:19 PM

lets pull the plug on kassian too. As I recall they are both from the same draft year. Pull the plug on him too. Thanks.

Silly people.

Nothing Against Jordan Schroeder, but our team is really lacking a powerplay. Losing Salo and Ehrhoff is a huge blow to Canucks powerplay.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:20 PM

Face it, AV coaches "always stay on the defensive side of the puck" because he has a phobia agianst goving up goals even if that means they have trouble scoring themselves. CHicago "cheats" on teh offensive side of the puck which leads to numerous golden scoring opportunities.


You realize Vancouvers top-4 d-men put up 155 points last year right? (more than Both Sedins).

That doesn't come without giving up scoring opportunities...
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:25 PM

Silly fans never learn.

So we trade Schroeder, which would be our fourth 1st round pick in 6 years, and then he goes on and lights it up for another team.

Seriously are you not learning from what has happened in the past few years? You don't give up on young talent before they get a chance to prove themselves. Unless we're getting young talent like a Johansson or Couturier back.

Cdnt agree more.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:27 PM

It's ridiculous that we have 2 elite goaltenders, a selke winner, 2 art ross trophy winners, one of the best d-cores in the league and we still have to play a defensive type of game and not let any players have any creativity offensively.

It would be nice to have a coach who can make some new strategies offensively, we shouldn't have to worry about the defensive side of the game as much as we do with the players we have.


Offensive system = start Sedins in the offensive zone 75-80% of the time.
I would consider that an offensive strategy...

Your giving the bulk of the offensive opportunity to your top line (more than anyone else in the league). The rest of the team is going to have to try to tread water in less desirable opportunities to compensate.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:33 PM

TRADE SCHROEDER FOR VOLPATTI ! little super-stars don't make it with AV (Grabner, Hodgson ... doesn't he look good with Buffalo ... on the second line ?) Stan Smyl would definitely approve !!!

I know. I'm not a Hodgson fan boy, any one who asks to be traded away from my team is never popular with me, but 10 goals, 11 assists would put him as #1 in goals and third in points. Only a minus 2 as well on a not very good buffalo team.
Add to that he is a natural centre and I gust want to slap Gillis until his red cheeks turn purple.

Of course, I don't think he asks for a trade if AV wasn't the coach. That guy hates talented players. Must hold a grudge from his lousy plug days when he thought "I could be a star if they would play me up on the top lines!" Explains Weise getting more looks up there than anyone else.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:41 PM

I gave you a plus one, and I think you are dead right.

The problem is do you dare match Booth (who is a 3rd wheel in terms of being defensively effective) and rookies Kassian and Schroeder against Thornton, Marleau and Couture? Well, physically anyway Booth and Kass are easily the best in our line up to match size and speed wise. But asking Schroeder to take a defensive draw in our zone (as a rookie) against 225 lb 1000 point Joe Thornton is a big ask. AV, understandably, likes 215 lb experienced Lapierre better in that situation So Booth/Lappy/Kassian has drawn together and are playing a Defensive role.

And FTR; Raymond has been both the better play maker and scorer in comparison with Schroeder YTD. And Hansen and Higgins better offensively than Booth or Kassian. So Raymond FTM won a chance to centre them and they're playing "Hodgson" style sheltered minutes.

It still allows at least Schroeder to play against a match up he can handle at this stage. Yes he would be better suited to 2knd line, but he still deserves to be on the team and for the moment match ups sometimes dictate its the best role we can offer!

No slag whatsoever on your post Opmac; but to all on this thread jumping off cliff's; :picard:



I don't know why he's playing with two plugs on the fourth line in Tom Sestito and Dale Weise. I don't know why Maxim Lapierre's playing with David Booth and Zack Kassian.

Booth needs a player that can dish him the puck mid-stride busting down the wing. Lapierre's can't distribute the puck. Schroeder can.

Schroeder needs a player that can win the puck battles for him down low. Kassian can do that and move to the front of the net.

See they all compliment each other.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:42 PM

Offensive system = start Sedins in the offensive zone 75-80% of the time.
I would consider that an offensive strategy...

Your giving the bulk of the offensive opportunity to your top line (more than anyone else in the league). The rest of the team is going to have to try to tread water in less desirable opportunities to compensate.


And how has that worked when the going gets tough? Same system for 3 years now and it has gotten less and less effective even in the regular season.

Your acknowledgement of this strategy just confirms AV"s inability to actually coach an offensive strategy that deals with this and spreads the offence thorughout the lineup. It also shows that teh Sedins aren't as offensively gifted as the numbers perhaps indicate because they are given very preferential minutes and opportunities to anyone else on the team and basically in the league.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:57 PM

And how has that worked when the going gets tough? Same system for 3 years now and it has gotten less and less effective even in the regular season.

Your acknowledgement of this strategy just confirms AV"s inability to actually coach an offensive strategy that deals with this and spreads the offence thorughout the lineup. It also shows that teh Sedins aren't as offensively gifted as the numbers perhaps indicate because they are given very preferential minutes and opportunities to anyone else on the team and basically in the league.


Agreed.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:02 PM

Some day; well hopefully someday...

Danny will find some chemistry with someone other than Hank. Hank has proven he can be 95% as effective on his own with other guys. But AV keeps turning back to Danny with Hank and Burr. I watched the last 5 games, I understand why. Man, they were awesome against LA. But their also 185 lbs each and sometimes susceptible to size match ups. Which is where we're fine if Kesler (who is big and fast) and his line are firing and drawing away thst size match up. But really, our depth lines suffer because we don't have any secondary play maker.

I would absolutely love to see a first line of Danny, who is a top 3 in the league play maker from the wing, play with physical talents Kesler and Booth. I bet Danny's passing could get Kesler and Booth scoring, and there are only 2 or 3 lines in the league with the speed and size of Booth and Kesler. They would have to draw the top match up and could go head to head with opposing top lines!

Then you could move Kassian up to play with Burrows and Hank. Hank has already proven he can teach Kass where to go, and how to play if someone controls the puck and just asks him to dig > then go to the net. And it still has speed in Burrows, size in Kass, plenty of sniping and Hank would absolutely eat up 2knd tier match ups. Match up's would be completely exhausted by the time Raymond/Schroeder/Hansen hit the ice. And we still have a traditiional 4th line, which could still be very dangerous with Lappy and Higgins!

Then the Twins / Burr still roll out on the PP or after an icing call; completely confounding an opposing coaches ability to juggle his lines to keep up.

In the absence of trading for a 2knd play maker (please MG, please!); I say something obvious has been staring us in the face for a long time! Splitting the Twins would provide the play maker to coax results from the heap of talent we have simmering in the depths of our line up.

That would be an offensive strategy?



Offensive system = start Sedins in the offensive zone 75-80% of the time.
I would consider that an offensive strategy...

Your giving the bulk of the offensive opportunity to your top line (more than anyone else in the league). The rest of the team is going to have to try to tread water in less desirable opportunities to compensate.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

Fark, that was a beautiful goal

And did all the CoHo haters notice he stole the puck backchecking, from a much faster J Staal? Cuz of course Hodgson completely sulks, is lazy and never puts in any effort defensively! (which is why he won hardest working forward and top penalty killer in the OHL, and took the D match ups at the world juniors with Pat Quinn instead of Tavares?).

AV would have benched CoHo for that. If he had turned the puck over with all that fancy dangling, there could have been an odd man rush the other way. Totally unnacceptable on an AV team.

Face it, AV coaches "always stay on the defensive side of the puck" because he has a phobia agianst goving up goals even if that means they have trouble scoring themselves. CHicago "cheats" on teh offensive side of the puck which leads to numerous golden scoring opportunities. THey trust that their D and goalies can bail them out when it goes badly and that their forwards are fast enough and smart enough to read the play and getback if trouble develops. AV isn't a rrisk taker which is one reason our breakouts are deplorable, slow and readable. Nothing creative or determined to be a "cheat" play is tolerated.

Even the Sedins generate offence from the deep cycle which is defensively "safe". Even then, when they have drawn teh defending team deep because of their cycle, they seldom feed toe wide open point for a shot because that has the risk of being missed or intercepted and they might get trapped deep (and are slow skaters). Instead, they sometimes cycle for 40 - 60 seconds, intotal control fo the puck without generating a single shot or scoring opportunity.

AV has not created a run-and-gun team (Chicago) and he has note created a defensive specialist team (Nashville). They are not big and mean enough to follow the Boston model either. He has created s mix of styles that places players in roles they are not suited for (Schroeder).

CoHo wanted out because he knew he would never be able to show what he could do offensively under AV. Even when Kesler was injured and not producing, he got 0 chance to be more than a 3rd line checker. AV is telling MG he needs a bigger more experienced center by playing Schroeder on the 4th. Just like he told MG he needed Garrison, Kassian, Booth, HIggins, etc.

WIth AV it's always the personnel that need to change.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:22 PM

Fark, that was a beautiful goal

And did all the CoHo haters notice he stole the puck backchecking, from a much faster J Staal? Cuz of course Hodgson completely sulks, is lazy and never puts in any effort defensively! (which is why he won hardest working forward and top penalty killer in the OHL, and took the D match ups at the world juniors with Pat Quinn instead of Tavares?).


None of that matters. He was cocky and didn't know his place (or maybe he did). Better to trade him than have him proven right.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:24 PM

Shredder is right where he should be in terms of development. We'll see a vast improvement from him next year. Right now he's doing a great job in the role he's been given, and if he keeps it up, he'll have an upgraded role next year where he'll be able to put up more points.

From what I've seen, he's been able to handle his own on the 4th line. They've been playing in the offensive zone and have controlled the puck along the boards, and I believe that is made possible by the size of Sestito and Weise combined with the hands and speed of Jordan. The only downside that can be argued of him being on the 4th, is the lack of ice time, but y'all need to consider 3 things:

1. AV gives his 4th more time than most.
2. He's been given ample time on the PP
3. He's still putting in full practices with the team and from that, is getting a lot of experience playing against NHL players and thus gaining more benefit from a diminished NHL role than being the big fish in a little bowl in the AHL.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:48 PM

And how has that worked when the going gets tough? Same system for 3 years now and it has gotten less and less effective even in the regular season.

Your acknowledgement of this strategy just confirms AV"s inability to actually coach an offensive strategy that deals with this and spreads the offence thorughout the lineup. It also shows that teh Sedins aren't as offensively gifted as the numbers perhaps indicate because they are given very preferential minutes and opportunities to anyone else on the team and basically in the league.


Last year they were 5th in league scoring and had the 4th lowest goals against.

I would call that a successful system/proper player utilization.

Why play Henrik in the defensive zone when you could play Manny? And vice/versa.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:59 PM

Last year they were 5th in league scoring and had the 4th lowest goals against.

I would call that a successful system/proper player utilization.

Why play Henrik in the defensive zone when you could play Manny? And vice/versa.


The manner in which they are used inflates those numbers. AS you yousefl said, they get 80% of toe O zone starts. That should lead to some pretty impressive for and against numbers unless they were completely useless.

I'm happy for the Sedins and their success with this system but it hurts the team when the scoring strategy relies almost entirely on 1 line that gets all the prime scoring opportunities. It has been shown to fail in the playoffs where they get far more attention and increasingly in the regular season where their numbers are dropping.

The team as a whole has shown it struggles to score in the playoff environment. That to me indicates the system needs to be changed. Adding gifted players like Schroeder to the top 6 could help address this. Letting Kassian learn to be effective in the top 6 could address this. Instead, AV drops Schroeder to the 4th even with Kesler out and Kassian sees duty wherever between the 3rd and 4th lines. Who's going to protect the Sedins in the playoffs without drastically affecting their effectiveness? Is Lappy really going to be used to be a set up guy to pitch in offensively over Schroeder in the playoffs? How many Defensive-minded centeres does AV need? ...he has Selke award winning Kesler, Lappy and now Schroeder.

Come playoffs, how much of a factor will they be if needed in the top 6 role when they haven't had a chance to hone those skills all year.

Edited by DIBdaQUIB, 06 March 2013 - 05:01 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:16 PM

None of that matters. He was cocky and didn't know his place (or maybe he did). Better to trade him than have him proven right.


If you want to look at a cocky guy, maybe consider looking at the puck hog prima donna Ryan Kesler.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:31 PM

I thought he looked really strong playing the point on the power play. Confident and commanding the puck, and also distributing it.

Hell, aside from the Sedins, he looked in charge back there.

Not sure what game you were watching.


he looked better on the 2nd pp when he was allowed to roam and play on the halfwall, he doesn't do anything on first pp except sit there and be an outlet for henrik to pass to edler indirectly because he has no threat of a shot.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:43 PM

I want to see a booth, Schroeder, Kassian line for a few games
Kassian and Schroeder seem to have some chem, plus Booth and Kass have been playing great together.
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