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Jordan Shroeder Has Been Given Enough Time To Showcase His Talents!

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Erik Karlsson Canucks First-Line

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And how has that worked when the going gets tough? Same system for 3 years now and it has gotten less and less effective even in the regular season.

Your acknowledgement of this strategy just confirms AV"s inability to actually coach an offensive strategy that deals with this and spreads the offence thorughout the lineup. It also shows that teh Sedins aren't as offensively gifted as the numbers perhaps indicate because they are given very preferential minutes and opportunities to anyone else on the team and basically in the league.

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Some day; well hopefully someday...

Danny will find some chemistry with someone other than Hank. Hank has proven he can be 95% as effective on his own with other guys. But AV keeps turning back to Danny with Hank and Burr. I watched the last 5 games, I understand why. Man, they were awesome against LA. But their also 185 lbs each and sometimes susceptible to size match ups. Which is where we're fine if Kesler (who is big and fast) and his line are firing and drawing away thst size match up. But really, our depth lines suffer because we don't have any secondary play maker.

I would absolutely love to see a first line of Danny, who is a top 3 in the league play maker from the wing, play with physical talents Kesler and Booth. I bet Danny's passing could get Kesler and Booth scoring, and there are only 2 or 3 lines in the league with the speed and size of Booth and Kesler. They would have to draw the top match up and could go head to head with opposing top lines!

Then you could move Kassian up to play with Burrows and Hank. Hank has already proven he can teach Kass where to go, and how to play if someone controls the puck and just asks him to dig > then go to the net. And it still has speed in Burrows, size in Kass, plenty of sniping and Hank would absolutely eat up 2knd tier match ups. Match up's would be completely exhausted by the time Raymond/Schroeder/Hansen hit the ice. And we still have a traditiional 4th line, which could still be very dangerous with Lappy and Higgins!

Then the Twins / Burr still roll out on the PP or after an icing call; completely confounding an opposing coaches ability to juggle his lines to keep up.

In the absence of trading for a 2knd play maker (please MG, please!); I say something obvious has been staring us in the face for a long time! Splitting the Twins would provide the play maker to coax results from the heap of talent we have simmering in the depths of our line up.

That would be an offensive strategy?

Offensive system = start Sedins in the offensive zone 75-80% of the time.

I would consider that an offensive strategy...

Your giving the bulk of the offensive opportunity to your top line (more than anyone else in the league). The rest of the team is going to have to try to tread water in less desirable opportunities to compensate.

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Fark, that was a beautiful goal

And did all the CoHo haters notice he stole the puck backchecking, from a much faster J Staal? Cuz of course Hodgson completely sulks, is lazy and never puts in any effort defensively! (which is why he won hardest working forward and top penalty killer in the OHL, and took the D match ups at the world juniors with Pat Quinn instead of Tavares?).

AV would have benched CoHo for that. If he had turned the puck over with all that fancy dangling, there could have been an odd man rush the other way. Totally unnacceptable on an AV team.

Face it, AV coaches "always stay on the defensive side of the puck" because he has a phobia agianst goving up goals even if that means they have trouble scoring themselves. CHicago "cheats" on teh offensive side of the puck which leads to numerous golden scoring opportunities. THey trust that their D and goalies can bail them out when it goes badly and that their forwards are fast enough and smart enough to read the play and getback if trouble develops. AV isn't a rrisk taker which is one reason our breakouts are deplorable, slow and readable. Nothing creative or determined to be a "cheat" play is tolerated.

Even the Sedins generate offence from the deep cycle which is defensively "safe". Even then, when they have drawn teh defending team deep because of their cycle, they seldom feed toe wide open point for a shot because that has the risk of being missed or intercepted and they might get trapped deep (and are slow skaters). Instead, they sometimes cycle for 40 - 60 seconds, intotal control fo the puck without generating a single shot or scoring opportunity.

AV has not created a run-and-gun team (Chicago) and he has note created a defensive specialist team (Nashville). They are not big and mean enough to follow the Boston model either. He has created s mix of styles that places players in roles they are not suited for (Schroeder).

CoHo wanted out because he knew he would never be able to show what he could do offensively under AV. Even when Kesler was injured and not producing, he got 0 chance to be more than a 3rd line checker. AV is telling MG he needs a bigger more experienced center by playing Schroeder on the 4th. Just like he told MG he needed Garrison, Kassian, Booth, HIggins, etc.

WIth AV it's always the personnel that need to change.

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Fark, that was a beautiful goal

And did all the CoHo haters notice he stole the puck backchecking, from a much faster J Staal? Cuz of course Hodgson completely sulks, is lazy and never puts in any effort defensively! (which is why he won hardest working forward and top penalty killer in the OHL, and took the D match ups at the world juniors with Pat Quinn instead of Tavares?).

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Shredder is right where he should be in terms of development. We'll see a vast improvement from him next year. Right now he's doing a great job in the role he's been given, and if he keeps it up, he'll have an upgraded role next year where he'll be able to put up more points.

From what I've seen, he's been able to handle his own on the 4th line. They've been playing in the offensive zone and have controlled the puck along the boards, and I believe that is made possible by the size of Sestito and Weise combined with the hands and speed of Jordan. The only downside that can be argued of him being on the 4th, is the lack of ice time, but y'all need to consider 3 things:

1. AV gives his 4th more time than most.

2. He's been given ample time on the PP

3. He's still putting in full practices with the team and from that, is getting a lot of experience playing against NHL players and thus gaining more benefit from a diminished NHL role than being the big fish in a little bowl in the AHL.

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And how has that worked when the going gets tough? Same system for 3 years now and it has gotten less and less effective even in the regular season.

Your acknowledgement of this strategy just confirms AV"s inability to actually coach an offensive strategy that deals with this and spreads the offence thorughout the lineup. It also shows that teh Sedins aren't as offensively gifted as the numbers perhaps indicate because they are given very preferential minutes and opportunities to anyone else on the team and basically in the league.

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Last year they were 5th in league scoring and had the 4th lowest goals against.

I would call that a successful system/proper player utilization.

Why play Henrik in the defensive zone when you could play Manny? And vice/versa.

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Is it time to pull the plug so to speak on Jordan? He looks so tiny on the ice. In puck battles he loses the puck so easily. He's not exactly lighting it up for a prospect with scoring potential. He's speedy and improving defensively. I'm afraid to say I don't think Mr. Shroeder is going to turn into Nazem Kadri. I don't see the point of putting Jordan on the 4th line either.

I wouldn't be opposed to Shroeder being dangled as trade bait at the deadline. I really think he will struggle in the playoffs because of his size. I just wished Shroeder turned out to be a Paul Kariya type.

I want to see what Steve Pinozzato can do. I hope Canucks send Jordan down and bring Steve up soon.

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It sure isn't hard to see why J Schultz chose Edmonton over Vancouver. He may have been presumptuous in his desire for a steady position without having played but I am sure he has seen the way other rookies are assimilated into AV's system and wasn't willing to spend 4-5 years of his development either in the minors or playig 3rd pairing minutes while the "vets" ruled by divine right under AV.

Shcultz could well have been the answer to our PP woes.

I like how Chicago has brought in Leddy and other young guys. They identify their role and put them on a line or pairing with a vet that can teach them the game from the position they will be in when they are developed. Kassian isn't going to learn to be a top 6 power forward playing bottom 6 limited minutes. Schroeder isn't ging to learn to be a small but fast set-up guy playing 4th line minutes with linemates like Weise and Sestito.

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