nuck nit Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 2011-2012 -21 games played 61 goals for / 54 goals against 24 PPG 2013 -21 games played 63 goals for / 61 goals against 14 PPG : Edler-12 pts 2011/2012: 3g 13 a 16 pts Hamhuis-12 pts 2011/2012: 2g 9a 11 pts Bieksa-6 pts 2011/2012: 1g 6a 7 pts Garrison 4 pts 2011/2012: 8g 4a 12 pts in Florida. Alberts -0 pts in 4 gp 2011/2012: 1g 1a 2 pts 1 gwg Tanev - 4 pts Did not play full time until February,2012 Ballard-1 pt 2011/2012: 1 g 1 a 2 pts Barker-1 pt **************************************************** Canucks no longer with the club and their statistical contributions in the first 21 games played last year: Salo- 2011/2012: 5g 8a 13 pts including 3 game winning goals Hodgson- 2011/2012: 4g 6a 10 pts Rome- 2011/2012: 3g 2 a 5 pts up til Dec. 10th 1 gwg ***************************************************** Besides Edler's 25% reduction in output over the first 21 games played,his mentor Sami Salo made a huge contribution to the Canucks offensive output that is gone and has not been replaced by any of the existing d men.Between just these two d men the Nucks have lost 17 points in production over the first 21 games played. Eddie has 2 PP goals this season and although he only had one in the same games played last season,this year he is the go-to, #1 d man on the PP. Sami suited up for 18 of the Canucks first 21 games last year scoring five times,adding 7 assists while contributing 3 PPG or one PPG goal in every six games he played. Having Kesler hurt has also effected the team's production as Kes had 5 points in the seven games he played this year,mind you,just the one PPG. Additionally,Kes only played in 16 of the Canucks initial 21 games last season,scoring 3g while adding 6a for 9 points. 2 PPG 's. A healthy Kes will help the PP immensely. The Canucks have tried Schroeder and Dank,Burrows and Garrison on the PP alongside Eddie without much success. If the Canucks are going to be more of a PP force they need to trade for an effective PP d man or find somebody that can play with Eddie on the point.Garrison has failed or has not been given the time needed to succeed ,for many reasons.It is what it is at this point in time. Kes has played that PP D role in the past with success,however,that still does not replace Sami's offensive contributions and the lack of another PP specialist on D most especially with Kes out yet again. This team's PP dominated the NHL when Ehrhoff and Salo manned the point. The Canucks are scoring less and markedly so on the PP over the same period last year. Additionally,they are giving up almost 15% more goals against over the same 21 games last year. It's a PP goal drought and it is a GAA problem. Sami and Kes are missed -a lot - is what I put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I wasn't blaming AV for his departure. I was blaming him for two years of failure believing any of the "favorite" guys left behind can do the job. I think most people would say that if you look at our D and want a fast skating dman who can transition the puck Ballard should at least be in that discussion.......it sure seemed like Gillis thought he would be at the time but AV had other ideas. If you read what I initially wrote, I said there are two things, his departure and the belief that the guys left could do the job. One (letting him go) is Gillis' responsibility. The other (who to replace him) is AV's responsibility. If I wrote it in a way that confused you I apologize. But go abck and read it and the true meaning of what I said is not what you are suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 AV is only afraid to put Garrison on the point because he didn't work well there in the first few games of the season. Reason for that was because no one was playing well then, it was essentially our training camp and everyone was rusty. Now JG looks like he's found his shot again, so get him there ASAP. Sedin - Sedin - Burrows/Kassian/Hansen/Who cares Edler - Garrison Keep it simple, like we did last season with Salo and the year before that with Ehrhoff. Sedins set up on the half boards, Henrik looks to Daniel for an easy redirect or cross-slot pass for an open net shot. If that isn't open, let the defencemen play catch to open things up and get Garrison to one time his shot. Both D-men are left handed, as are the Sedins. This means Henrik can set up Garrison with a one timer if Hank is on the left half-boards and Garrison is at the left point, while also being able to snap a cross-slot pass for a one timer by Daniel in the right slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Give the D men wooden sticks so they don't shatter everytime they try to fire up a boomer from the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Fair enough. It certainly did look to me like you were blaming the coach for not re-signing Ehrhoff, but after re-reading the post I see what you were getting at... ...and I don't disagree that they should at least give Ballard a shot at the PP. However, playing the devil's advocate, I can see why Brown and AV haven't done so. Let me preface this by saying that I know Ballard has been "reigned in" somewhat by the coaching staff. Their main complaint about him has always been his defensive responsibility and the fact that he sometimes tries creative, but low percentage plays. I'm pretty sure (as I believe you are as well) that he has been told to simplify his game and concentrate on playing defense. However, even after 20 games of receiving decent ice time, he has zero goals. You would think that somewhere along the line, a guy with an offensive touch would find the back of the net. I'd point at Dan Hamhuis as an example. That being said, he does appear to have the ability to play the setup man and I would also like to see him play along side Garrison, at least on the second unit. Well that's a debate that I've been through far too many times to revisit here, but I will ask: With Hamhuis and Rome both out of the lineup and Bieksa playing through injury, what do you think AV should have done in that position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 And Garrison could use a guy that can set him up for one timers on the PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Can't really argue with anything there Wallstreet. I too watched him before coming to the Canucks (Phoenix more than Florida, actually) and I was excited when I learned that they had traded for him. I've always been a guy that likes having great skaters on my team. I think Ballard has been kind of up against it since he got here, though. Early injuries set him back and he had trouble fitting into the lineup once healthy, especially considering he was being asked to play the right side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/03/07/tanevs-worth-a-try-on-canucks-ailing-power-play/ Not sure if this would be my solution (in fact it's not--see original post) but at this point any change can't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Light Racicot Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Gotta shoot the puck, Daniel especially. Whatever happened to the slap-pass? I havent seen that play for ages, has it somehow become obsolete? Also Hank, because when Hank shoots the puck its the last thing anyone expects. He has a decent shot. While I agree with many here that Kassian and Garrison should be utilized for obvious reasons... the coaching staff is god awful at recognizing that kind of thing if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Duck Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Why hasn't anyone suggested using Garrison yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Can't really argue with anything there Wallstreet. I too watched him before coming to the Canucks (Phoenix more than Florida, actually) and I was excited when I learned that they had traded for him. I've always been a guy that likes having great skaters on my team. I think Ballard has been kind of up against it since he got here, though. Early injuries set him back and he had trouble fitting into the lineup once healthy, especially considering he was being asked to play the right side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 When the landscape changed (and Hamhuis signing certainly contributed to that left side logjam) and it looked like Ballard was struggling to find a spot you have to make a move as Mike Gillis, don't you? I mean, leaving it this long hoping he would fit in jsut is not acceptable - even completely removing my feelings about Ballard as a player but looking at it from the best interests of the team. Keeping Ballard led to losing Ehrhoff imo. Which made sense only if Ballard was then going to be used as part of the replacement scenario. Absent that, it just looks like a huge disconnect between the GM and the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancin'Droid Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 We need to but garrison on the right side for the power play. Thats how he scored 16 goals last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 We need to but garrison on the right side for the power play. Thats how he scored 16 goals last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Kesler/Kassian Sedin Burrows Sedin Edler Kassian/Hansen Schroeder Booth Raymond Ballard/Garrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 PP never had a chance this game, weird to see so many non-calls (both teams). Regardless, another oh'fer effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 KASS in front screening....garrison with a booming shot...Tanev for defensive safety....sedins HIGGY Raymond hansen.... Barker seems to find seams and get shots through.... Edler I guess ...at least Raymond can cover defensively with his speed .... I think the reason the game lines are always screwed with is because av always has to have defensively responsible peeps on each line.... ie...sedins/ burr That's why KASS isn't with them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucks_rule1 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 whatever you do, you have to change it up. i want to see Kassian with the Sedins with Garrison and Hammuis on the point. for the second unit, hopefully never have to get there, would be hansen-burr-raymond, with bieksa and edler. GOAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day one Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Wasting half a minute behind our net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Sedin-Sedin-Kassian Barker/Schroeder-Garrison Why not give Barker a shot on the pp? He did have a 40 point season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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