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#1 canfan4life

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:25 AM

2011 was all about scoring for the canucks and the team looked complete because of it, since then we have lost our ability to score as a team which has put a ton of pressure on the defence to help with the production.

The Canucks tend to score ugly goals or mistake prone goals most nights, you just dont see any fluency in the offence and scoring, it seems like everything is pressed.

I think the defence deserves a little bit of slack because they are trying to help score while playing AV's defensive hockey system and trying to deal with the flip flopping of goalies that they have to try and get used to playing with. Anyone notice the confusion that is happening everytime the goalie comes out to handle the puck, there is absolutely no chemistry.

MG needs to address the lack of soring issue via trade and everything else will fall in place. Or need to hire a new coach with different system for this team because with this roster we wont be winning anything and we are wasting another year for the sedins, they are already past their prime and its downhill from here on.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:51 AM

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:53 AM

Our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are so jumbled that they can barely pass to each other out there.. Especially the 3rd and 4th, so many giveaways and sloppy shifts where they are just running around hopelessly..

Booth-Lappy-Kassian .. I don't even know what that is
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#4 Ossi Vaananen

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:06 PM

it's like we need more offence or something.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:06 PM

I hate to say it but if the PP isn't scoring the Canucks best chance to get wins may be to go back to playing really safe boring hockey. Staying back, clearing rebounds and just rely on whatever goalie is playing better to win 2-1 games.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:07 PM

we have no snipers. the team that is going to win the cup this year has several.....
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:10 PM

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:17 PM

What has been, is, and seems like always will be.

It seems like the lack of secondary scoring, from the forwards at least, has been an issue since the Sedin's became the face of the franchise. We had one year where Kes shouldered some of the load, but otherwise it's always been the same story.

The opposition strategy continues to be "shut down the twins and we have a good chance of winning".

MG's inability to find consistent secondary scoring in his 5 years here can be looked back on as one of his greatest failures as GM.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:17 PM

*OFFENSE

Grammar police has arrived.

And just as quickly left.

But back on topic, of course we need more goals, the team that scores the most wins the game. Last night we generated more chances than San Jose but didn't have quite the puck luck for an extra one to go in. We aren't, however, just going to be able to trade for Stamkos so we'll have to see what happens while we have one of our top 6 players in Kesler out.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:18 PM

Unfortunately we traded part of our offence for a big body. As if there aren't cheap big bodies around the league as it is.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:44 PM

booth was suppose to add to the secondary scoring, too bad hes been hurt quite a bit, and now hes on the 3rd line.

Would be nice to acquire a goal scorer in a goaltender trade
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:30 PM

we have no snipers. the team that is going to win the cup this year has several.....

Not only that, but we have barely any playmakers except for the Sedins. Schroeder has the potential to be the playmaker and Jensen has the potential to be the sniper, but are they both ready to exceed in the NHL playoffs?
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:30 PM

What has been, is, and seems like always will be.

It seems like the lack of secondary scoring, from the forwards at least, has been an issue since the Sedin's became the face of the franchise. We had one year where Kes shouldered some of the load, but otherwise it's always been the same story.

The opposition strategy continues to be "shut down the twins and we have a good chance of winning".

MG's inability to find consistent secondary scoring in his 5 years here can be looked back on as one of his greatest failures as GM.


AV's strategy is to give the Sedins the offensive starts (80%) so they can produce offence. Great. That works to some extent in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

The rest of the forwards are left with trying to shut down other teams' top guys or to generate offence from their own end. THis is how AV has done it for 3 years and how he thinks this team will win.

I believ it is seriously flawed. THe 2nd and 3rd lines need to develop offensive cohesion as well so defending teams can't just target the Sedins and shut down the Nuck's offence.

From what I've observed, I think it would cause some level of resentment as well. I watch the faces of some of the 2nd and 3rd line players when they've worked hard to gain the O zone and then have to peel off on a line change so the Sedins can come out. Sometimes, they've only been on the ice for 15 seconds fighting to gain the zone and then, poof, onto the bench for 2 minutes.

AV is too focused on the Sedins and the "Now" and is not making the adjustment ot spread the offence out in a meaningful way. Going with the same strategy this year will likely lead to another disappointing end.

Edited by DIBdaQUIB, 06 March 2013 - 09:41 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:45 PM

we have no snipers. the team that is going to win the cup this year has several.....


Agreed.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:48 PM

I think we're ok for offense. Coaching's the problem.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:42 PM

Last Year: 2.94 goals/game

This Year: 2.77 goals/game

That equates to a difference of 14.76 goals/82 game season.
Thats while missing our 2nd line center.

Biggest difference is were averaging 3 less shots/game compared to last season.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:44 PM

we have no snipers. the team that is going to win the cup this year has several.....


Daniel, Booth, Kesler (and Higgins/Hansen have shown some nice shooting).

Snipers aren't our problem. Playmakers are.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:46 PM

Goals for is the only thing I can't complain about right now.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:03 AM

The dynamics of the first and second lines are what the problem with this team is.The lines weren't good enough the last few years and nothing has changed headed to these playoffs.The Sedins need a huge sniper because in the playoffs the top pairing pins both of them at the same time to break the cycle.Burrows gets manhandled in front and spends most of the time on his butt or taking a penalty in tough games.A big sniper draws attention and has the reach to be open more.Kesler is a winger,he needs a puck distributing centreman.booth is fast and tough but same thing,no pick distributor for him.They need a big fast centre and Kesler and Booth flying in hitting on the forecheck.Higgins,Raymond and Hansen will figure Itself out as a good third line that forechecks and PK's.Lapierre with Kassian and Sestito will gel I'm sure.The Defense is hurting because they haven't replaced the ability to skate the puck out of his zone by erhoff and the stout down low defensive corner dominance of salo.You didn't see too many forwards barge out in front when Salo was on.Bottom line is the Canucks don't have the assets to fix all their problems.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:36 AM

We had snipers....Hodgson, Grabner and Bernier have 25 goals between them, that equal to the same number that Daniel, Henrik, Burrows, Kassian, Schroeder and Lapierre have combined. In case you wonder if Gillis should still have a job, in return for those three players and their 25 goals we got 5 goals from Kaaaian and Ballard.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:03 PM

We had snipers....Hodgson, Grabner and Bernier have 25 goals between them, that equal to the same number that Daniel, Henrik, Burrows, Kassian, Schroeder and Lapierre have combined. In case you wonder if Gillis should still have a job, in return for those three players and their 25 goals we got 5 goals from Kaaaian and Ballard.

And yet Hodgson wouldn't have been playing on the first line here with Vanek and Pominville, Grabner would likely have been waived when he stunk up another training camp (just like in Florida), and Bernier would have either still been paid to much to be on our 4th line or waived (again, just like in Florida).

All three of those aren't a reflection on Gillis as much as a reflection on the situations those players are in now because of their past actions.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:45 PM

*OFFENSE

Grammar police has arrived.



In sports, offense or offence (see American and British English spelling differences; pronounced with first-syllable stress), also known as attack, is the action of attacking or engaging an opposing team with the objective of scoring points or goals. The term may also refer to the tactics involved in offense, or a sub-team whose primary responsibility is offense.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:55 PM

Last Year: 2.94 goals/game

This Year: 2.77 goals/game

That equates to a difference of 14.76 goals/82 game season.
Thats while missing our 2nd line center.

Biggest difference is were averaging 3 less shots/game compared to last season.


Not much difference then. The extra 3 shots a game would be Keslers'. All this and we haven't really had a 2nd line. In a few weeks, I think we will have a far better 2nd line.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:58 PM

Not much difference then. The extra 3 shots a game would be Keslers'. All this and we haven't really had a 2nd line. In a few weeks, I think we will have a far better 2nd line.


Exactly, you could make the argument were a better offensive team this year opposed to last year.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:00 PM

*OFFENSE

Grammar police has arrived.


Just because your American style spellcheck underlines a word does not mean it's wrong, ok neighbour.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:08 PM

And yet Hodgson wouldn't have been playing on the first line here with Vanek and Pominville, Grabner would likely have been waived when he stunk up another training camp (just like in Florida), and Bernier would have either still been paid to much to be on our 4th line or waived (again, just like in Florida).
All three of those aren't a reflection on Gillis as much as a reflection on the situations those players are in now because of their past actions.


Yes ,it is a total reflection on Gillis.
Throw in Sami Salo without a suitable replacement.
Too bad we are fed the 'Detroit Model' patience line when in fact,no patience on the part of Grabner and Hodgson was ever exercised to the extent that Detroit employs.
Grabner and CoHo would man a second line in the absence of Kes and Booth.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:13 PM

It is the "Detroit Model" that needs to go. The reason it doesn't work in Van is that we do not have a seemingly endless supply of late round draft picks that are patiently and properly developed and inserted strategically into the lineup as holes develop.

Young, fast, big, and aggressive is the new NHL. And unfortunately the Canucks are a day late and a dollar short in following the model that worked last decade.....
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

Just because your American style spellcheck underlines a word does not mean it's wrong, ok neighbour.

:lol: Too funny +1
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:30 PM

Further to my point above about the model the team is following.....

The Detroit Model only works when roles are clearly defined for players. That does not really happen with AV. Everyone is expected to play the strategy first rather than play a role that will take advantage of their strengths. It is a critical mistake in trying to follow what Detroit does. They have a very obvious plan for every single player and that plan meshes perfectly with the overall strategy of the team.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

Yes ,it is a total reflection on Gillis.
Throw in Sami Salo without a suitable replacement.
Too bad we are fed the 'Detroit Model' patience line when in fact,no patience on the part of Grabner and Hodgson was ever exercised to the extent that Detroit employs.
Grabner and CoHo would man a second line in the absence of Kes and Booth.

So you would have given multiple years to an injury prone defenceman on a 35+ contract (and more salary than he's ever earned), kept a player that would have likely been lost on waivers after another poor training camp, and continued to groom a player in a 3rd line role after he'd verbally requested more icetime despite being behind a Hart/Art Ross winner and a Selke winner in the depth chart?

We don't hear Detroit losing their prospects to waivers for nothing, or their prospects complaining about ice time. Detroit does love keeping their aging players around on multi year 35+ contracts though, I'll give you that's an area where the Canucks differ from them.

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