Kack Zassian Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 There seems to be this myth around CDC that "AV Hates rookies". Most of this stems around Cody Hodgson last year, and the fact that pretty much pretty much every prospect we've had these last 5 years has sucked. -- Hodgson had an entire FIVE games last season where he was under 10 mins/game. Sure, some nights he got 12, other nights he got 16. He also got to play some of the most sheltered minutes possible last year. - Schroeder is currently seeing nearly 3 mins of PP time (despite 1 assist in his last 11 games) - Or Kassians 2 assists and 14 shots in his last 14 games, his -5 in that stretch, but yeah well give him around 14 minutes a game (and 2:14/game on the PP). - Our under performing rookies are getting BOATLOADS of opportunity to produce compared to guys like Higgins/Hansen who actually ARE producing. IF ANYTHING, AV is giving his rookies preferred treatment over guys like Higgins/Hansen/Raymond/Booth. Hansen sees about 1:09 on the PP, and Higgins/Booth are around the 20 second mark/game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 If folks want a contender, contenders have deep lineups and rookies need to be able to play responsible two way hockey. Do the RedWings hate rookies? No, they develop them until they are ready. If folks want to compete for a lottery pick, they can do as the Sabres do and throw their rookies in the top 6, let them get exposed and learn on the job, play losing hockey, and brag about the opportunities they give rookies. I'll opt for AV's approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I agree that AV hating rookies is a myth.... ...as are "AV never talks to his players", "AV never goes in the dressing room", "AV only knows how to coach defense", "AV only plays his favorites", "AV only knows how to coach in the regular season", "AV only won his Jack Adams because of Luongo", etc., etc.... ...but hey, why let facts get in the way of a good rant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 It's not the minutes the problems. It's the constant line changing. Kassian moves around from 1st to 4th with stint on the 2nd and 3rd. Kesler gets injured, suddenly Schroeder drops from 3rd to 4th, when he should have had a shot a 2nd line minutes. Role player like hansen and higgins with produce consistently with whoever they play with and whatever minutes they gets. Kassian and Schroeder needs stability, at least 4-5 games with the same linemates with considerable minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Not taking a stance on AV and rookies either way really, but he doesn't really have the choice to put veterans out there all the time unless he wants the Sedins, Burrows, Higgins, Lappy all playing 24 minutes a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Kes and Malholtra are out, obviously Schroeders gonna get more minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I agree that AV hating rookies is a myth.... ...as are "AV never talks to his players", "AV never goes in the dressing room", "AV only knows how to coach defense", "AV only plays his favorites", "AV only knows how to coach in the regular season", "AV only won his Jack Adams because of Luongo", etc., etc.... ...but hey, why let facts get in the way of a good rant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kack Zassian Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 It's not the minutes the problems. It's the constant line changing. Kassian moves around from 1st to 4th with stint on the 2nd and 3rd. Kesler gets injured, suddenly Schroeder drops from 3rd to 4th, when he should have had a shot a 2nd line minutes. Kassian and Schroeder needs stability, at least 4-5 games with the same linemates with considerable minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uber_pwnzor Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 STFU AV H8 ROOKIES!!!!! OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 TRADE LOUNGO N FIRE MG OMGF !!!!!!!!!!!!111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I agree that AV hating rookies is a myth.... ...as are "AV never talks to his players", "AV never goes in the dressing room", "AV only knows how to coach defense", "AV only plays his favorites", "AV only knows how to coach in the regular season", "AV only won his Jack Adams because of Luongo", etc., etc.... ...but hey, why let facts get in the way of a good rant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I agree that AV hating rookies is a myth.... Let me fix this for you, Rupert: ...as are "AV talks to his players, but they canna understand a word he says", "AV goes in the dressing room, but the players ask him to leave due to bad garlic breath", "AV only knows how to coach Shi Tzu's", "AV only plays with his favorites", "AV only knows how to coach in one game series", "AV only won his Jack Adams because the NHL needed to reward a minority", etc., etc.... ...but hey, why let facts get in the way of a good rant? .. there you go .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Grabner, Shirokov, Hodgson, now Schroeder, next Jensen and so on and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kack Zassian Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Grabner, Shirokov, Hodgson, now Schroeder, next Jensen and so on and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Not gonna weigh in too strongly on AV hating rookies but it seems like our young guys are benefiting from injury and lack of depth in the system. Would Schroeder still be here if we had another veteran centre? Kass if we were flush with RWs? It's true we haven't had much in the system to bring up these past few years and it's nice to see our rooks getting experience but honestly I don't think they'd be here unless we needed them to be here. Also, not sure what the coaches are doing with the PP but it hasn't been good, rookies or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I don't know why but the thread reminded me of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 One Theory: AV gives icetime to those who'll succeed with more icetime. This justifies benchings, promotions of underskilled players who are showing a bit of 'effort', and only works as an excuse when the team wins. Other theory: The icetime allocation on this team is entirely political. Meaning Gillis etc. is directly involved. This would help explain unexplainable benchings, players with pp-type skills not being put on the pp, star players being given the royal treatment, young stars never being given a decent opportunity, strange assignments given to underskilled players, and totally random shootout selections. If politics is involved, and i am certain it is, then a LOT of strange things happening with this team in recent years are explained. However, it's difficult to prove. Just like the referee conspiracy. Hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 One Theory: AV gives icetime to those who'll succeed with more icetime. This justifies benchings, promotions of underskilled players who are showing a bit of 'effort', and only works as an excuse when the team wins. Other theory: The icetime allocation on this team is entirely political. Meaning Gillis etc. is directly involved. This would help explain unexplainable benchings, players with pp-type skills not being put on the pp, star players being given the royal treatment, young stars never being given a decent opportunity, strange assignments given to underskilled players, and totally random shootout selections. If politics is involved, and i am certain it is, then a LOT of strange things happening with this team in recent years are explained. However, it's difficult to prove. Just like the referee conspiracy. Hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I woud disagree with the use of the words never and only as absolutes. Other than that every one is true to a certain degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Does AV hate rookies? No. Does he prefer veterans? Yes. In general. That doesn't explain Tanev over Ballard, etc. so there are always too many other factors involved to be so black and white. Everything that AV does comes down to his PREFERENCE though and really that is his prerogative as head coach. Who gets quality ice time and opportunity and who doesn't. Who gets ripped in the media and who doesn't. Who gets a free pass for bad play and who doesn't. There is no consistent approach to what he does other than who he allows himself to trust and who he doesn't. Sometimes there is a disconnect between his perception and the on-ice reality though. And that disconnect is continually increasing as time goes on unfortunately. When it gets to the point that it has, it becomes time for a change to get back that urgency and accountability from the players. It may be human nature but it really has started holding this team back significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 To a "certain degree" they're true of every coach in the NHL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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