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#421 CanucksJay

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:47 PM

The problem isn't the lines, after the Sedins and Burrows, we have a bunch of third line players. Remember when we had Sedin Sedin Burrows then Samuelsson, Sundin, Kesler? That's an actual second line. Hansen, Higgins Raymond as your second line wins you a first round golf trip. How long will Kesler stay healthy when he comes back and who will he play with that he had great chemistry with? Its the personnel in my opinion. The second line has always been an issue with Gillis as leader. He needs to get on this, Booth isn't the answer.


Here's where I disagree
On paper a 2nd line of Booth Kesler Kassian is better than Samuelsson, Kesler and Sundin
Sundin led by leadshership not play. His season was actually not very good.

Booth is better than Samuelsson and Kassian is actually better than he's playing right now.
Kassian seems to play his best when hes all hyped up and motivated. We need a coach that can find a way to motivate him so that he's playing up to his potential.

The one thing I did notice however is that there is no chemisty between Booth and Kesler as they are both shoot first guys.
Thats why I think Booth needs to be dropped down to 3rd line and have someone like Higgis on 2nd line. With Booth and Shroeder on 3rd line with someone like Hansen or Raymond, thats a VERY strong 3rd line.

I dont think we have ALL the pieces but we do have most of them. The problem is that they are being utilized poorly and we are not getting maximum potential out of our guys due to coaching

But hey, let's just compromise and start with firing AV first. if that works great. if not, then we can look to trading players

Edited by CanucksJay, 07 March 2013 - 11:53 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:56 PM

Bieksa is the ONLY guy with talent on this team that can also back it up physically. I love the Sedins but sometimes it makes my blood boil when guys liek Marchand punch them in the face and get away with it. Bieksa is the type of guy that will score OT winner and still kick some ass.


This is unfortunately a myth from yester year......How much ass did Bieksa kick when Duncan Keith elbowed Daniel in the face?........NONE. Because he has been neutered by AV like the rest of the team has.

If Bieksa is the heart and soul of this team it explains the general apathy and lack of heart. When is his contract year again? Then we will see him try.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:05 AM

Here's where I disagree
On paper a 2nd line of Booth Kesler Kassian is better than Samuelsson, Kesler and Sundin
Sundin led by leadshership not play. His season was actually not very good.

Booth is better than Samuelsson and Kassian is actually better than he's playing right now.
Kassian seems to play his best when hes all hyped up and motivated. We need a coach that can find a way to motivate him so that he's playing up to his potential.

The one thing I did notice however is that there is no chemisty between Booth and Kesler as they are both shoot first guys.
Thats why I think Booth needs to be dropped down to 3rd line and have someone like Higgis on 2nd line. With Booth and Shroeder on 3rd line with someone like Hansen or Raymond, thats a VERY strong 3rd line.

I dont think we have ALL the pieces but we do have most of them. The problem is that they are being utilized poorly and we are not getting maximum potential out of our guys due to coaching

But hey, let's just compromise and start with firing AV first. if that works great. if not, then we can look to trading players


I don't know about Booth. Does he have chemistry with anyone?

I watched him closely tonight and sure a couple of times he took pucks hard to the net, but otherwise he didn't do much else. Rarely passed when he had the puck and didn't hit anyone. So what exactly do we have in him?

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:06 AM

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:07 AM

Here's where I disagree
On paper a 2nd line of Booth Kesler Kassian is better than Samuelsson, Kesler and Sundin
Sundin led by leadshership not play. His season was actually not very good.

Booth is better than Samuelsson and Kassian is actually better than he's playing right now.
Kassian seems to play his best when hes all hyped up and motivated. We need a coach that can find a way to motivate him so that he's playing up to his potential.

The one thing I did notice however is that there is no chemisty between Booth and Kesler as they are both shoot first guys.
Thats why I think Booth needs to be dropped down to 3rd line and have someone like Higgis on 2nd line. With Booth and Shroeder on 3rd line with someone like Hansen or Raymond, thats a VERY strong 3rd line.

I dont think we have ALL the pieces but we do have most of them. The problem is that they are being utilized poorly and we are not getting maximum potential out of our guys due to coaching


I get what you mean. I'd just like to point out, Booth has 1 point in 8 games, Kassian has 8 points in 23 games, Kesler has 5 points in 7 games. A combined 14 points for all 3 players on the season for our optimal 2nd line. (Hansen has 12 points on the season alone). On paper they might be good, but its not there right now, during peak mid season in a playoff race where it is needed most. (Sundin had 28 points in 41 reg season games and was a ppg in the playoffs with 8 points, compared to now he would still be outscoring all 3) This is what I mean about our second line literally not existing. Its either together and producing now, or its not. I agree with you on the coaching and add in Mike Gillis is smoking something crazy right now to not see how bad of shape this team is. If it wasn't for the Sedins we would be next to Columbus in the standings.

On a side note

Removing Ehrhoff (let go), Salo (let go), Hodgson, Malhotra, (let go), (Kesler on IR) Our powerplay specialists are all but gone, along with our face off specialist. We replaced them with Garrison and Kassian who certainly aren't the game changers to winning a cup.

On another side note for MG, both Grabner and Hodgson have more goals then any Canuck.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:08 AM

Thankfully its fairly easy to identify the people that haven't watched this team closely, otherwise they would witness how they've degraded over time. Injuries don't even seem to play a huge role here since in the case of Kesler, when he was in the lineup, we still didn't play any better.

I see a lot of hopeful thoughts on this board: "once Kesler and Booth are back from their injuries we will be unstoppable". this is the stuff that I was reading on here in weeks past.. its just a fallacy.

I mean I want the Canucks to be an elite team just as much as the next fan, but I can't willingly turn a blind eye when they are playing poorly.. I'd be more than happy for them to lollygag it through this short season and fire it up for the playoffs, but as mentioned by many perceptive fans, its not as simple as that, and the Canucks are on life support right now based on the pulse of their game.


That's exactly where I'm coming from. This team has some serious issues, but pointing those out on CDC is met with two responses:


Edit: I'm just learning that saying B with a ) means a smiley face with sunglasses lol

A) You're a bandwagonner
B) You aren't watching the games

I love this team and want them to be elite, but the realist in me understands that is not the case. We are officially under .500 (if you ignore the loser point), we have 11 wins and 12 losses. 8 wins in regulation in 23 games... But we're just reacting to one loss against Columbus, right?

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:09 AM

So should MG make a trade if it includes Lou?


He has been trying and isn't getting anything significant for him and Lu has a NTC which makes it even more difficult. Trading Lu for nothing significant back makes no sense.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:11 AM

Losing to Calgary and Columbus in the same week? It feels like from now on, every win we get will come as surprise.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:12 AM

I love how CDC is just this swirling vortex of craziness that sucks me in from time to time. Then I look at the standings and I laugh at you guys. 3rd in the conference, 6th in the league. Gold.

As for our play, I highly doubt AV is the issue. CDC blaming AV is always transparent. It means we see lots of little things go wrong and can't put our finger on what's missing, so we attribute everything to bad coaching. Personally I see our guys and they look TIRED. Always a half-step behind, chasing the puck, losing a disproportionate amount of puck battles, can't fight their way into the slot (or defend their own).

I tend to believe that when an organization as well run as the Canucks say that huge travel times and time zone changes are a real issue, maybe they're not total idiots. And in a shortened season, I get how that is emphasized. Quality of play is going to decline, but it has across the league. I freely admit that we're not playing great, yet the standings say "Well, pretty much no one else is either". Welcome to the frustration that is shortened season hockey everyone. I agree it sucks but let's keep some perspective.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:16 AM

Lack is one year younger than Schnieds. And my logic actually makes more sense than yours.

You are rolling dice on your goalie of the future, I am not. Bird in hand.


No you make no sense. You act as if you knew Schneider was going to be good before he even came into the NHL! So I guess we gambled on keeping Schneider too because he never played a game before coming into the league. And let's be real, Schneider isn't proven yet because he hasn't played a full season. It is always a gamble with every player. What if Schneider is kept, but goes off the hill like a Steve Mason?

Lack is going through the development stages exactly the way Schneider went through, yet according to you, you knew Schneider would be good from draft day. Schneider was kept because of potential and still may be kept because of potential and that is exactly what Lack is.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:19 AM

I love how CDC is just this swirling vortex of craziness that sucks me in from time to time. Then I look at the standings and I laugh at you guys. 3rd in the conference, 6th in the league. Gold.

As for our play, I highly doubt AV is the issue. CDC blaming AV is always transparent. It means we see lots of little things go wrong and can't put our finger on what's missing, so we attribute everything to bad coaching. Personally I see our guys and they look TIRED. Always a half-step behind, chasing the puck, losing a disproportionate amount of puck battles, can't fight their way into the slot (or defend their own).

I tend to believe that when an organization as well run as the Canucks say that huge travel times and time zone changes are a real issue, maybe they're not total idiots. And in a shortened season, I get how that is emphasized. Quality of play is going to decline, but it has across the league. I freely admit that we're not playing great, yet the standings say "Well, pretty much no one else is either". Welcome to the frustration that is shortened season hockey everyone. I agree it sucks but let's keep some perspective.


True, and at least we have a season this year. Also though, we are 3 points out of a playoff spot.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:22 AM

I love how CDC is just this swirling vortex of craziness that sucks me in from time to time. Then I look at the standings and I laugh at you guys. 3rd in the conference, 6th in the league. Gold.

As for our play, I highly doubt AV is the issue. CDC blaming AV is always transparent. It means we see lots of little things go wrong and can't put our finger on what's missing, so we attribute everything to bad coaching. Personally I see our guys and they look TIRED. Always a half-step behind, chasing the puck, losing a disproportionate amount of puck battles, can't fight their way into the slot (or defend their own).

I tend to believe that when an organization as well run as the Canucks say that huge travel times and time zone changes are a real issue, maybe they're not total idiots. And in a shortened season, I get how that is emphasized. Quality of play is going to decline, but it has across the league. I freely admit that we're not playing great, yet the standings say "Well, pretty much no one else is either". Welcome to the frustration that is shortened season hockey everyone. I agree it sucks but let's keep some perspective.


we've been playing like garbage since january 2012. The coach doesn't seem to give a frack and hasn't found a solution. Get rid of the coach. If that doesn't snap some sense into them, trade one of our goalies (I'm ok with the offseason for the trade). There was a statistic brought up a few years ago, but I can't remember the exact number. It was talking about coaches that have never won the cup and stayed with the same team. What it said was that no coach that has been with the same team has won the cup for first time when it gets by a certain amount of years. AV has already surpassed that amount of years with the Canucks. He is an okay coach, but sooner or later the players start to tune the coach out. A coach can only bring so much new perspective when you've been with them for so long. It is time to give these players some new guidance. Adios, AV.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:24 AM

This is unfortunately a myth from yester year......How much ass did Bieksa kick when Duncan Keith elbowed Daniel in the face?........NONE. Because he has been neutered by AV like the rest of the team has.

If Bieksa is the heart and soul of this team it explains the general apathy and lack of heart. When is his contract year again? Then we will see him try.


Soo sooo true unfortunately...

When Kassian was dealt here, MG talked about a big, physical player who will stand up for his teamates and has a mean streak...

Now he's transforming into a finese player with his dangles and behind the leg passes..

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:24 AM

I love how CDC is just this swirling vortex of craziness that sucks me in from time to time. Then I look at the standings and I laugh at you guys. 3rd in the conference, 6th in the league. Gold.

As for our play, I highly doubt AV is the issue. CDC blaming AV is always transparent. It means we see lots of little things go wrong and can't put our finger on what's missing, so we attribute everything to bad coaching. Personally I see our guys and they look TIRED. Always a half-step behind, chasing the puck, losing a disproportionate amount of puck battles, can't fight their way into the slot (or defend their own).

I tend to believe that when an organization as well run as the Canucks say that huge travel times and time zone changes are a real issue, maybe they're not total idiots. And in a shortened season, I get how that is emphasized. Quality of play is going to decline, but it has across the league. I freely admit that we're not playing great, yet the standings say "Well, pretty much no one else is either". Welcome to the frustration that is shortened season hockey everyone. I agree it sucks but let's keep some perspective.


Yeah, 6th in the league and a whopping 3 points above 17th. Perspective.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:25 AM

BRB, just Hopping into the delorean to go pick up our old team.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:29 AM

I love how CDC is just this swirling vortex of craziness that sucks me in from time to time. Then I look at the standings and I laugh at you guys. 3rd in the conference, 6th in the league. Gold.

As for our play, I highly doubt AV is the issue. CDC blaming AV is always transparent. It means we see lots of little things go wrong and can't put our finger on what's missing, so we attribute everything to bad coaching. Personally I see our guys and they look TIRED. Always a half-step behind, chasing the puck, losing a disproportionate amount of puck battles, can't fight their way into the slot (or defend their own).

I tend to believe that when an organization as well run as the Canucks say that huge travel times and time zone changes are a real issue, maybe they're not total idiots. And in a shortened season, I get how that is emphasized. Quality of play is going to decline, but it has across the league. I freely admit that we're not playing great, yet the standings say "Well, pretty much no one else is either". Welcome to the frustration that is shortened season hockey everyone. I agree it sucks but let's keep some perspective.


Good post.

Has anyone actually taken a peek at the Western Conf standings lately? The mighty juggernaut Detroit under their genius coach? The powerful St Louis Blues who almost beat Van for #1 last year under hard-a$$ Hitchcock, and who blew a huge lead in the 3rd the other night? Aside from Chicago and Anaheim, every team is having problems.

Also, I've watched a fair bit of hockey -- East and West -- this year. If you think the Canucks are sleepwalking through games, many other teams' players must be animatronic mummies.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:32 AM

Good post.

Has anyone actually taken a peek at the Western Conf standings lately? The mighty juggernaut Detroit under their genius coach? The powerful St Louis Blues who almost beat Van for #1 last year under hard-a$$ Hitchcock, and who blew a huge lead in the 3rd the other night? Aside from Chicago and Anaheim, every team is having problems.

Also, I've watched a fair bit of hockey -- East and West -- this year. If you think the Canucks are sleepwalking through games, many other teams' players must be animatronic mummies.


Since the Canucks can't beat these other teams that are struggling, how should that comfort us that status quo is the best option?

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:36 AM

Sorry - he wants to be number 1 then he needs to play like number 1.

I won't leave him alone as long as he is playing average - yes, so is the team. He doesn't get a free ride because some here on CDC coddle him.


How is a team supposed to win only scoring 1 goal a game? Yet a Schneider is at fault. Let me guess out goalies are supposed to get a shut out every game? Riiiight, must have missed that part.

Both goalies have had good and bad games this season, but this game was not the fault of the goalie by far.

I get what you're saying but this is a very bad example, make this point after a 4-3/2 or a 3-2 loss not a 2-1 SO loss. Be quite honest Schnieds was the reason we even got a point out of this game.

Poor poor example

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:54 AM

Since the Canucks can't beat these other teams that are struggling, how should that comfort us that status quo is the best option?


My point is that the regular season is a grind and is a poor indicator for how the playoffs will go, more so than most years because of the compressed schedule and (in Vancouver's case) the realization that 1st, 3rd, or 6th in the Conference means sweet f all.

And I'm not all for the status quo. Though I think AV should remain for one more kick at the Cup, I think Gillis should be putting in 20 hour days to, especially, unload Lu for a tough 3C and something for the future. I've never been a Booth fan, either. But then, Gillis has painted himself into a corner by either signing, or taking on, those contracts.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:56 AM

No you make no sense. You act as if you knew Schneider was going to be good before he even came into the NHL! So I guess we gambled on keeping Schneider too because he never played a game before coming into the league. And let's be real, Schneider isn't proven yet because he hasn't played a full season. It is always a gamble with every player. What if Schneider is kept, but goes off the hill like a Steve Mason?

Lack is going through the development stages exactly the way Schneider went through, yet according to you, you knew Schneider would be good from draft day. Schneider was kept because of potential and still may be kept because of potential and that is exactly what Lack is.


Cory was drafted 26th overall whereas Lack was undrafted. Cory has played at the top of his class in every level of his young life.

Besides, I wouldn't put any bets on Lack until we see how he comes back from hip surgery. Pretty serious for a goalie.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:26 AM

This team is needing serious change to help during the absence of Kesler, Bieksa, and Ballard. The team is in flux.

The following changes need to be considered:

Fire Alain Vigneault: He has had his time here and clearly has lost the ears of his team. The Canucks should have been able to beat the Blue Jackets handily but lost in a shootout to the worst team in the NHL.

Hire Lindy Ruff: The Canucks need a tenured presence behind the bench. Ruff will whip this team into fighting shape.

Trade Alex Edler to TB for Victor Hedman

Edler is half the defenseman he was two years ago and his mistakes as a defenseman are costing games. He looks like a player who has just signed a 6 year, $30 Million contract and is taking it easy.

We can find many willing trade partners for Edler. Victor Hedman could be had for Edler. Hedman brings much more size at 6'6" and 230 lbs with skill. He is also a million less. Much more defensively responsible as well. We should be trading Edler now before his NTC kicks in.

Trade David Booth and Jordan Schroeder to WIN for Evander Kane

Evander wants to play in his hometown. He would gladly take a trade to Vancouver, but the price would be high. There might possibly need to be a pick added to work, but Kane wants to come home.

Sedin - Sedin - Kane
Burrows - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Raymond - Hansen
Weise - Lapierre - Sestito

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Hedman - Garrison
Ballard - Tanev

Schneider
Luongo

Keep both goalies

For the duration of the season, keep both the goaltenders and let Schneider off his leash for a solid block of starts. Give Luongo easier opponents that shoot a lot.


Fire Mike Gillis if there is nothing done

I mean something significant. Sestito isn't enough to cut it anymore. Gillis thinks like an agent and that been a weakness.

Things are desperate.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:34 AM

On a side note

Removing Ehrhoff (let go), Salo (let go), Hodgson, Malhotra, (let go), (Kesler on IR) Our powerplay specialists are all but gone, along with our face off specialist. We replaced them with Garrison and Kassian who certainly aren't the game changers to winning a cup.

On another side note for MG, both Grabner and Hodgson have more goals then any Canuck.


Why don't we spend more time whining about people we don't have.

Cause thats really going to get them back.

My point is that the regular season is a grind and is a poor indicator for how the playoffs will go, more so than most years because of the compressed schedule and (in Vancouver's case) the realization that 1st, 3rd, or 6th in the Conference means sweet f all.

And I'm not all for the status quo. Though I think AV should remain for one more kick at the Cup, I think Gillis should be putting in 20 hour days to, especially, unload Lu for a tough 3C and something for the future. I've never been a Booth fan, either. But then, Gillis has painted himself into a corner by either signing, or taking on, those contracts.


Im pretty sure we were all hoping the same thing last year. And look how that turned out.

They won't flip the switch once the playoffs start, it just won't happen.

So I don't know about you, but I am not content with underachieving and bowing out in the 1st or 2nd round when this team has the opportunity if the adjustments are made to win the cup.

Watching this team it is clear to me know changes are needed, we need a coaching change and to make some transactions.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:36 AM

This team is needing serious change to help during the absence of Kesler, Bieksa, and Ballard. The team is in flux.

The following changes need to be considered:

Fire Alain Vigneault: He has had his time here and clearly has lost the ears of his team. The Canucks should have been able to beat the Blue Jackets handily but lost in a shootout to the worst team in the NHL.

Hire Lindy Ruff: The Canucks need a tenured presence behind the bench. Ruff will whip this team into fighting shape.

Trade Alex Edler to TB for Victor Hedman

Edler is half the defenseman he was two years ago and his mistakes as a defenseman are costing games. He has had major surgery and is showing that either he is succumbing to post surgery stress and will be done soon, or he just signed a 6 year, $30 Million contract and is taking it easy.

We can find many willing trade partners for Edler. Victor Hedman could be had for Edler. Hedman brings much more size at 6'6" and 230 lbs with skill. He is also a million less. Much more defensively responsible as well. We should be trading Edler now before his NTC kicks in.

Trade David Booth and Jordan Schroeder to WIN for Evander Kane

Evander wants to play in his hometown. He would gladly take a trade to Vancouver, but the price would be high. There might possibly need to be a pick added to work, but Kane wants to come home.

Sedin - Sedin - Kane
Burrows - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Raymond - Hansen
Weise - Lapierre - Sestito

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Hedman - Garrison
Ballard - Tanev

Schneider
Luongo

Keep both goalies

For the duration of the season, keep both the goaltenders and let Schneider off his leash for a solid block of starts. Give Luongo easier opponents that shoot a lot.


Fire Mike Gillis if there is nothing done

I mean something significant. Sestito isn't enough to cut it anymore. Gillis thinks like an agent and that been a weakness.

Things are desperate.


Doubt either of those trades are accepted.

And the first thing on our bucket list is to complete a Roberto Luongo deal IMO. Having 2 goalies won't help us much in the playoffs.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:55 AM

I'm starting to think that Gillis should be fired. He's done absolute fuk all to improve this team since getting bounced by LA. He seems to be living in a fantasy world where he thinks this team is a contender with all the pieces in place. Does he have an aversion to signing new players on the team? He makes it sound like its impossible. He is too damn patient and content with the status quo to make any necessary changes. I'm sick of his inactivity/ lack of progress in getting this team into proper shape. He's made too many bad trades too. Imagine if we had Grabner and Hodgson right now, what a boost to the struggling offense that would be. This team is so shallow. Two scoring lines will not cut it.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:00 AM

Doubt either of those trades are accepted.

And the first thing on our bucket list is to complete a Roberto Luongo deal IMO. Having 2 goalies won't help us much in the playoffs.


Hedman for Edler wouldn't happen? TB wouldn't play or Canuck would want more?
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:17 AM

I missed the whole game, so I can't comment on what happened. The highlights make it look like the team has been told to not engage the attacker when they cut in front of the net. I first noticed it in the Chicago game. The defending Canucks seem to collectively cut off passing options, forcing the attacker to shoot... except those shots keep beating our goalies.

Not scoring hurts, but, defensively, this team looks confused beyond belief.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:19 AM

My point is that the regular season is a grind and is a poor indicator for how the playoffs will go, more so than most years because of the compressed schedule and (in Vancouver's case) the realization that 1st, 3rd, or 6th in the Conference means sweet f all.

And I'm not all for the status quo. Though I think AV should remain for one more kick at the Cup, I think Gillis should be putting in 20 hour days to, especially, unload Lu for a tough 3C and something for the future. I've never been a Booth fan, either. But then, Gillis has painted himself into a corner by either signing, or taking on, those contracts.


Okay, here is the problem I have with this theory.......Apparently the entire premise for keeping AV is because his regular season accolades must eventually transfer over to the playoffs. Your first sentence is accurate but also means why hang onto a guy who has shown no ability to win in the playoffs consistently? This team is 2 years away from being Calgary with limited help on the way from the farm. Why not get another coach and see if it does make a difference.

Either way unless Gilllis or possibly his replacement find a way to start getting total value out of trades and draftin and developing players much better, this team will be in a deep rebuild within 5 years.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:23 AM

This team is needing serious change to help during the absence of Kesler, Bieksa, and Ballard. The team is in flux.

The following changes need to be considered:

Fire Alain Vigneault: He has had his time here and clearly has lost the ears of his team. The Canucks should have been able to beat the Blue Jackets handily but lost in a shootout to the worst team in the NHL.

Hire Lindy Ruff: The Canucks need a tenured presence behind the bench. Ruff will whip this team into fighting shape.

Trade Alex Edler to TB for Victor Hedman

Edler is half the defenseman he was two years ago and his mistakes as a defenseman are costing games. He looks like a player who has just signed a 6 year, $30 Million contract and is taking it easy.

We can find many willing trade partners for Edler. Victor Hedman could be had for Edler. Hedman brings much more size at 6'6" and 230 lbs with skill. He is also a million less. Much more defensively responsible as well. We should be trading Edler now before his NTC kicks in.

Trade David Booth and Jordan Schroeder to WIN for Evander Kane

Evander wants to play in his hometown. He would gladly take a trade to Vancouver, but the price would be high. There might possibly need to be a pick added to work, but Kane wants to come home.

Sedin - Sedin - Kane
Burrows - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Raymond - Hansen
Weise - Lapierre - Sestito

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Hedman - Garrison
Ballard - Tanev

Schneider
Luongo

Keep both goalies

For the duration of the season, keep both the goaltenders and let Schneider off his leash for a solid block of starts. Give Luongo easier opponents that shoot a lot.


Fire Mike Gillis if there is nothing done

I mean something significant. Sestito isn't enough to cut it anymore. Gillis thinks like an agent and that been a weakness.

Things are desperate.


With these trades are we hoping those teams scouts are not watching our players play and we can slip one past them?

Why would TB trad a 22 year old monster who is finally showing some offensive upside and some consistency for Edler when he is struggling this much and is 26? Read your own write up on them.....would you do that deal if you were Yzerman?

Kane for Booth and Schroeder? That doesn't even get you past the secretary.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:26 AM

Oh Brian Burke we need you back!

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:26 AM

Hedman for Edler wouldn't happen? TB wouldn't play or Canuck would want more?


I doubt Tampa does it honestly, both are great with #1 potential but I think Hedman's potential is a little bit higher and he has developed alot quicker.

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