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Poll: If the mediocre play continues will big changes be on the horizon? (345 member(s) have cast votes)

if the canucks continue their mediocre play which is most likely to happen

  1. one of the goalies are traded (91 votes [26.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.53%

  2. a coaching change (92 votes [26.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.82%

  3. nothing, gillis will not have the guts to make a major change (160 votes [46.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.65%

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#31 canadaguy_25

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:31 PM

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Trading a goalie isn't going to bring back a better goalie. Or a star D or FW that another team isn't willing to trade.

All aspects of this team are struggling. Goaltending, defence, offence, special teams ..... It's not a matter of tweaking or filling holes. It's not a good time for Vancouver to trade.

If the key players on the team aren't being utilized effectively in the regular season, why would anyone believe they will in the playoffs?
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Are you ok? Are you having a seizure on your bold button? Do you need medical help?

P.S. I realize you're saying Fire Alain Vigneault, but isn't there a better way to make that statement, perhaps?
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:32 PM

Lack-lustre performances will be continued throughout the year. Why? Because what does Aquillini care? He sells out every game. Playoffs inlcluded. He doesn't need a change. He won't fire MG, who in turn won't fire AV. Nothing will happen, expect to see more mediocrity to continue.


You say this because why? What history fo you have to back this up? The nucks have been a great team in recent history, PT's recent SC final. But we are mediocre? I think we are playing bad now and need a shake up including a coaching change and goalie trade but to try and pin it on ownership is flat out wrong.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:34 PM

No major changes will happen. Not midseason anyway. I have a feeling AV will be gone at the end of the season though.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:35 PM

You say this because why? What history fo you have to back this up? The nucks have been a great team in recent history, PT's recent SC final. But we are mediocre? I think we are playing bad now and need a shake up including a coaching change and goalie trade but to try and pin it on ownership is flat out wrong.


2 presidents trophies are much due to the points we get from our bad division. The points we have by the end of the year are grossly inflated. We don't have a cup, and until that changes, we are a mediocre team. I'm saying this because this team is incredibly talented, and should be winning games consistently.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:41 PM

2 presidents trophies are much due to the points we get from our bad division. The points we have by the end of the year are grossly inflated. We don't have a cup, and until that changes, we are a mediocre team. I'm saying this because this team is incredibly talented, and should be winning games consistently.


I agree with you but I stop shot of saying ownership doesn't care because they have done everything they can to bring a cup here. Now it may be time for changes but?
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:42 PM

No major changes will happen. Not midseason anyway. I have a feeling AV will be gone at the end of the season though.


Tom waits?
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:45 PM

I honestly don't think anything will happen this season. The off season is going to be a busy one, but this season I see Gillis keeping both goalies and riding the hot hand in the playoffs and just going with the current roster as is.

The Canucks HAVE the talent, they just need to elevate their game like we all know they can. I really hope they become a completely unstoppable beast in the playoffs and shock us all.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:47 PM

I honestly don't think anything will happen this season. The off season is going to be a busy one, but this season I see Gillis keeping both goalies and riding the hot hand in the playoffs and just going with the current roster as is.

The Canucks HAVE the talent, they just need to elevate their game like we all know they can. I really hope they become a completely unstoppable beast in the playoffs and shock us all.

we have arguably the best D-core in the league, itd be nice if they picked up.


oh, and i think bieksa should wear the C. subtle change, no disrespect to henrik.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:53 PM

AV needs to go. His time here has been way too long.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:58 PM

We want this team to play better so we can be confident going into the playoffs, this team hasn't shown any signs of a cup winner, and anyone expecting this team to flip a switch is delusional. It won't happen as we saw last year.

Did you think the LA Kings would "flip a switch" and win the Cup last season? It's possible
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:05 AM

Did you think the LA Kings would "flip a switch" and win the Cup last season? It's possible


They didn't they had been playing lights out hockey since making the coaching change halfway through the year. They were also an underachieving team capable of so much more that needed a shake-up.

Similarities to us much?
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:06 AM

Be patient and trust them

I'm not sure that's the right strategy if we want to win the cup this year. Results need to come easier than this if we are to be the team we think we are. Or not easier, but results can't bee like this. We definitely need a spark. Something to get us going. GMMG has to decide what move he makes to get us going...
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:06 AM

Did you think the LA Kings would "flip a switch" and win the Cup last season? It's possible


It's called bringing in a coach who holds all 23 guys accountable and rewards those who actually get the job done. And aving the balls to trade for a top line sniper to put you over the top.

If you are saying that these things need to happen for the Canucks to have any chance at "flipping a switch" I would agree.

But the Canucks will wait for this team to just finally win without major changes. Because the only bold moves Gillis has made are bad ones and he is scared to lose his job if he makes another one.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:08 AM

Did you think the LA Kings would "flip a switch" and win the Cup last season? It's possible


LA Kings flipped the switch when their Gm fired murray and brought in Suter... A coach that lit a fire under the Kings butt
Also making a big trade Johnson for Carter

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:15 AM

MG has been trade shy ever since the CoHo deal.

He said he was against making blockbuster deals in the regular season, so expect us to get some washed up 3rd line centre on TD.....
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:17 AM

I do not believe that a coaching change will happen within this shortened season .. makes no sense with half the short season gone.
I see a goalie, Ballard, Booth and even Kesler gone in the off season .. I see a coaching change as well, unless we pull a "miracle finish" out of someones nether region .. something is not right with this team, and it needs cleansing ..

If AV canna fix it, Gillis had better or they will both fall like domino's ..
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:19 AM

I do not believe that a coaching change will happen within this shortened season .. makes no sense with half the short season gone.
I see a goalie, Ballard, Booth and even Kesler gone in the off season .. I see a coaching change as well, unless we pull a "miracle finish" out of someones nether region .. something is not right with this team, and it needs cleansing ..

If AV canna fix it, Gillis had better or they will both fall like domino's ..


Doesnt he have a NTC? also, If Edler continues to play like a pylon, MG better trade him before his NTC kicks in.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:31 AM

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It's called bringing in a coach who holds all 23 guys accountable and rewards those who actually get the job done. And aving the balls to trade for a top line sniper to put you over the top.

If you are saying that these things need to happen for the Canucks to have any chance at "flipping a switch" I would agree.

But the Canucks will wait for this team to just finally win without major changes. Because the only bold moves Gillis has made are bad ones and he is scared to lose his job if he makes another one.

So when did everyone jump off the MG bandwagon?,I remember everyone saying he is the best gm in the league i guess that's just cdc and i would still do the kass and coho trade
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:45 AM

Fire the damn coach already! How many times are we going to give him a free pass. Treated Linden, Naslund and Mitchell without class. Refuses to give young players a little rope during the season to work through their deficiencies. Idiotically left Luongo hanging in net in the finals. The whole Hodgson fiasco. inability to adapt during games. And most of all this team just simply needs a new fresh voice who can tighten up the stupid long stretch passes and disjointed play this team is playing right now.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:52 AM

Nope. Everyone, from the GM, down to the coach, down to the captain, is content with this team and the way they are playing and will continue to be content based on the feats achieved throughout the last few regular seasons and the SCF run in 2011. Everyone in this organization seems to have a very long leash. The last time the owner stepped in and demanded change was - shocker! - the last time this team missed the playoffs, which was a hit to the wallet that an owner like Acquillini could not accept.

As long as the Canucks are a top team that contends for the playoffs every year, the owner will be content, which means Gillis can be content, which means the coach can be content, which means the team can be content.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:54 AM

<p>So when did everyone jump off the MG bandwagon?,I remember everyone saying he is the best gm in the league i guess that's just cdc and i would still do the kass and coho trade


I've never been on the Gillis bandwagon. I think overall he has done some good things and some bad things as GM.

Getting Ehrhoff for a song was a great thing.....letting him go to keep Bieksa/Ballard? Not so good.

Trading Hodgson for Kassian? I think a reasonably logical move addressing a glaring need from (at the time anyway) a position of organizational strength......does the coach use Kassian the way he needs to be used? No. So the trade is really a waste at this point. If you have seen that movie before it is called "The Trade For Keith Ballard" and "The Signing Of Jason Garrison".

Gillis looks afraid of his shadow now. He has signed some dud contracts. Luongo, Garrison, Bieksa, and is more free than a hippy love-in with the No Trade Clauses.....that can't end well for a guy who publicly states he will never ask a player to waive one.....

Can AV stay for his 3rd GM? If Gillis doesn't want that to happen he better fire AV first and if that doesn't work he needs a big trade to change the culture.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:12 AM

what if we dont make the playoffs and end up with a top five pick!? Is that not just what this team needs going forward A young talented player to build the future around!? I would be happier missing the playoffs then losing in the first second third or finals, and realistically our current roster is not going to cut it as is. Our older players are going to be tired quick. Some might even say we are just trying to get through these games right now so that we can get this crazy season over with.

I'm not saying lose all hope, I don't think Gillis will make the changes necessary at this time. Just being optimistic when were losing that something really great good come out of it.

Just imagine 2 picks in the top 40 this year. Maybe 3 if we get a trade done!
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:15 AM

Trade deadline is less than a month away.

Will we get a stocking full of coal or a Porsche this Christmas?
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:20 AM

we have arguably the best D-core in the league, itd be nice if they picked up.
oh, and i think bieksa should wear the C. subtle change, no disrespect to henrik.


Arguably is the operative word.This PP sucks without a Salo or Ehrhoff calibre d man.
Totally dissing Hank there.

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Hamhuis-12 pts
2011/2012: 2g 9a 11 pts

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2011/2012: 1g 6a 7 pts

Garrison 4 pts
2011/2012: 8g 4a 12 pts in Florida.


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Tanev - 4 pts
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Ballard-1 pt
2011/2012: 1 g 1 a 2 pts

Barker-1 pt

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:23 AM

We have a team with a boatload of 3/4 liners and few 1/2 liners, but I doubt MG makes any significant additions. AV will be here for another season. Both goalies will be around too.

The C in Canucks stands for complacency.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:47 AM

I've never been on the Gillis bandwagon. I think overall he has done some good things and some bad things as GM.

Getting Ehrhoff for a song was a great thing.....letting him go to keep Bieksa/Ballard? Not so good.

Trading Hodgson for Kassian? I think a reasonably logical move addressing a glaring need from (at the time anyway) a position of organizational strength......does the coach use Kassian the way he needs to be used? No. So the trade is really a waste at this point. If you have seen that movie before it is called "The Trade For Keith Ballard" and "The Signing Of Jason Garrison".

Gillis looks afraid of his shadow now. He has signed some dud contracts. Luongo, Garrison, Bieksa, and is more free than a hippy love-in with the No Trade Clauses.....that can't end well for a guy who publicly states he will never ask a player to waive one.....

Can AV stay for his 3rd GM? If Gillis doesn't want that to happen he better fire AV first and if that doesn't work he needs a big trade to change the culture.


Actually, much like the Kassian trade. Garrison and Ballard were both needs, and Ballard could have been what we expected had AV used him right, so much like the Kassian one you can chalk that up to AV too.

Garrison was a need, Salo had already signed that monster deal which we were never ever going to be able to match, Garrison was the best defenseman avaliable aside from Suter, we needed a top 4 defenseman, the Garrison signing was really a must aswell, and there were no other options.

As for Ehrhoff, he wanted out. Bieksa was the guy I would have choose too, we couldn't really move Ballard it was a short time frame, plus I think MG believed Ehrhoff would buy in and re-sign at a reasonable price.

At that contract I don't want him.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:02 AM

Not with a GM like Gillis. He is too patient and content with the status quo to make any changes.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:12 AM

Actually, much like the Kassian trade. Garrison and Ballard were both needs, and Ballard could have been what we expected had AV used him right, so much like the Kassian one you can chalk that up to AV too.

Garrison was a need, Salo had already signed that monster deal which we were never ever going to be able to match, Garrison was the best defenseman avaliable aside from Suter, we needed a top 4 defenseman, the Garrison signing was really a must aswell, and there were no other options.

As for Ehrhoff, he wanted out. Bieksa was the guy I would have choose too, we couldn't really move Ballard it was a short time frame, plus I think MG believed Ehrhoff would buy in and re-sign at a reasonable price.

At that contract I don't want him.


I was saying that both the trade for Ballard and the signing of Garrison were needs.....but the coach does not utilize them properly so they are pretty much wasted as well.

Keeping Bieksa/Ballard over Ehrhoff was a colossal mistake imo because Ehrhoff fit extremely well with the Sedins especially on the PP. It is not a coincidence they went back to PPG players after he left and only broke 100 while he was here. If the plan had been to keep Bieksa and Hamhuis playing shutdown defence and Ballard, Salo, Edler, etc. picking up the slack offensively for Ehrhoff that might have been a different story, But turning Bieksa and Hamhuis into the ones driving the offense instead of playing that shutdown D is what I consider a major reason the team has fallen this far this fast. If they could not get rid of Ballard, he could have filled Bieksa's two way role adequately while Ehrhoff surely would have made the offense much better.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:14 AM

Luongo will probably be traded. If we continue to struggle, AV job should be on the line
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:21 AM

I was saying that both the trade for Ballard and the signing of Garrison were needs.....but the coach does not utilize them properly so they are pretty much wasted as well.

Keeping Bieksa/Ballard over Ehrhoff was a colossal mistake imo because Ehrhoff fit extremely well with the Sedins especially on the PP. It is not a coincidence they went back to PPG players after he left and only broke 100 while he was here. If the plan had been to keep Bieksa and Hamhuis playing shutdown defence and Ballard, Salo, Edler, etc. picking up the slack offensively for Ehrhoff that might have been a different story, But turning Bieksa and Hamhuis into the ones driving the offense instead of playing that shutdown D is what I consider a major reason the team has fallen this far this fast. If they could not get rid of Ballard, he could have filled Bieksa's two way role adequately while Ehrhoff surely would have made the offense much better.


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