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yete

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But I don't see "grinders" as a bad thing. We had a team of "grinders" in '94 and nearly won the cup with them.

"Grinders", to me, implies that they're in there, grinding it out. Working hard. How can you have a problem with Hansen's game? Higgins has been a true asset in my mind. Lappy. Once the Booth floodgates open, I'd imagine we'll be rethinking that. He hasn't had much puck luck but when it comes, look out.

I don't make a negative connection with grinders.

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the problem with the canucks is we need some quaility youthful talent injected into the line up ie nicklas jensen size and skill , as much as every one seems to like schroeder he doesnt have nhl size , he is not what the canucks need we do have too many guys that are suited for 3 and 4 th line duty , we have too much cap space tied up in netminders , we sure could use that money for a higher end player , and some players we need to get rid of , looking at you david booth you have no hockey sense what so ever srhoeder you are fast but unfornately you are too small for the role you are given by the coach , ebbet well your just a plug , ballard you just need a new start somewhere else and we fill these spots with talented , youthful ,nhl size players ie no one under 6 foot 2 200 lbs and we should improve greatly

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the problem with the canucks is we need some quaility youthful talent injected into the line up ie nicklas jensen size and skill , as much as every one seems to like schroeder he doesnt have nhl size , he is not what the canucks need we do have too many guys that are suited for 3 and 4 th line duty , we have too much cap space tied up in netminders , we sure could use that money for a higher end player , and some players we need to get rid of , looking at you david booth you have no hockey sense what so ever srhoeder you are fast but unfornately you are too small for the role you are given by the coach , ebbet well your just a plug , ballard you just need a new start somewhere else and we fill these spots with talented , youthful ,nhl size players ie no one under 6 foot 2 200 lbs and we should improve greatly

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We also had a scrappy 60 goal scorer. We also had Linden putting up 30+ goals, two other 20+ goal scorers, and a few more around 15, with loads of assists to boot.

Now we have David Booth going 20 games (including playoffs) with 1 goal, and people saying it's a matter of rust, or "puck luck." Last year, when he went a calendar month with scoring 2 or 3 goals, it was a different excuse. When he started the season on a 12 game goalless streak, it was something else.

We have Kesler who can't stay healthy.

We have Raymond who can't stand up.

We have an overpaid, under performing defense

We have grit, sure, but that grit is also COMPLETELY lacking in natural talent, except the Sedins. In 1994, our grit had talent and heart. Now we have grit, some talent, but very little heart.

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It's really sad Schroder is probably the most skilled guy behind the Sedins when it comes to offensive ability. Yet Vigneault doesn't know how to integrate young players.

Look at Pittsburgh they have Beau Bennett playing on the second line with Malkin. The teams that know how to incorporate young players are the ones that develop.

How will Schroeder and Kassian ever develop playing with a bunch of plugs. If wanna see what they can really do put them with some skill guys.

Now is the perfect time to experiment a little with Schroeder and Kassian getting more ice time with Kesler out. Instead Vigneault puts Raymond at center.

What does Schroeder think that as a natural centre with Kesler out he still can't get playing time? His confidence must be at an all time low and I wouldn't blame him. I don't blame Hodgson either for asking for a trade now that you realize the crap A.V. pulls with offensively talented young players.

He still couldn't give Hodgson ice time even when Kesler was out.

How many talented offensive players has A.V. chased away so far? Hodgson,Grabner,Shirokov, Schroeder next? Just because he couldn't be patient with their defensive game?

What a joke.

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Pavel Bure, grind grind grind. Trevor Linden was tough, but I wouldn't call him a grinder. Cliff Ronning, Geoff Courtnall, Martin Gelinas, Greg Adams, all guys that were very consistent scorers. That team had a lot of toughness but the top 6 forwards were there to score, and they did. This team has one line of scorers, and it shows out there.

Booth's issues aren't bad luck. He's not a very good scorer, never has been. Sure he's not going to be shut out for the season, but he's not going to be a reliable point producer either.

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"Like I said before, David Booth tilts the ice toward the opposition net. It would be great if he could score some goals (and I think he will) but even if he doesn't, he sets the table for other players just by playing the game the way he plays it. Doesn't show up on the scoresheet but there's significant value in what Booth has been doing. If he can keep playing how he's played so far, he'll be contributing a lot of value to this team (no matter how few or how many goals he scores)."

I like your defence of Booth but unfortunately it didn't work for someone who broke his back so I doubt CDC will be buying it.

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I see the problem as this.

We built a skilled hockey team that had great success. Then one year the refs put away their whistles and the Bruins walk all over us in the finals. Then management gets the bright idea of switching the team from skill to grind. The hodgson for kassian trade was defining point.

Looks like now though it has failed. The team has sort of gone into disarray and without a clear identity. Management should not have tried to change the style up like that. We were doing fine.

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Yeah, the team's not really built for high-scoring games. Aside from the Sedins, it's not like there's really one guy with the skill to get it done consistently on the offensive side of things. Kesler's become more predictable, and the attack's been working on the rush to try to stuff one in from in tight in tonight's game. I can't figure out why Schroeder's on the 4th when Lapierre's got the 3rd line role with Booth and Kassian, when Jordan's passing may at least create chances offensively (and yet he's stuck with two 4th liners in Sestito and Weise). Also, not that they're not good but the 2nd line now (Higgins - Raymond - Hansen) is more of a 3rd and they shouldn't be relied upon offensively. Bieksa's injured, Edler's not playing well and the rest of the D (Hamhuis, Tanev, Garrison, Ballard) still need to figure out the combo to work... until AV shuffles them again.

I think for starters the units need to stay consistent until they can gel. That way, when Kesler and Bieksa come back the team would already be rolling.

For now I'd go (it's not great but that's what's there)

Danny - Hank - Burr (keep)

Higgins - Raymond - Hansen (it worked against L.A.)

Booth - Schroeder - Kassian (I think Jordan could really spark this line)

Sestito - Lapierre - Weise (also a win for this line; play maker goes back to the 3rd, banger back to 4th)

I'd also trade for Lubomir Visnovsky or someone like him (Streit?) to man the PP with Edler, then put Schroeder back on the point of the 2nd PP with Edler.

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We also had a scrappy 60 goal scorer. We also had Linden putting up 30+ goals, two other 20+ goal scorers, and a few more around 15, with loads of assists to boot.

Now we have David Booth going 20 games (including playoffs) with 1 goal, and people saying it's a matter of rust, or "puck luck." Last year, when he went a calendar month with scoring 2 or 3 goals, it was a different excuse. When he started the season on a 12 game goalless streak, it was something else.

We have Kesler who can't stay healthy.

We have Raymond who can't stand up.

We have an overpaid, under performing defense

We have grit, sure, but that grit is also COMPLETELY lacking in natural talent, except the Sedins. In 1994, our grit had talent and heart. Now we have grit, some talent, but very little heart.

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Pavel Bure, grind grind grind. Trevor Linden was tough, but I wouldn't call him a grinder. Cliff Ronning, Geoff Courtnall, Martin Gelinas, Greg Adams, all guys that were very consistent scorers. That team had a lot of toughness but the top 6 forwards were there to score, and they did. This team has one line of scorers, and it shows out there.

Booth's issues aren't bad luck. He's not a very good scorer, never has been. Sure he's not going to be shut out for the season, but he's not going to be a reliable point producer either.

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