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The teams mentality is the problem.

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Sorry thought the thread was titled "Canucks are mental ". Just a minute just maybe.....

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If I am upset with customer service, I don't "throw a hissy fit". I calmly lodge a complaint. Most businesses will make it right because they actually care about their customers. I rarely hear excuses like "we were missing our best people" or "we gave it our best". The usually acknowledge the fault, address it, and move on to being better at what they do. If what you are suggesting is the canucks should care about their fans less than, say, Tim hortons cares about its customers, then I disagree.

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For me, I reckon that the Canucks are just taking a little something off it, playing hard enough and well enough to stay at the top of the division but not so much that we will be getting real tired. The important things are 1. getting in the playoffs, 2. having enough in the tank once you get there to make some noise, and not having the whole roster out with the groin pull. You wouldn't know it from the way people talk around here but there no style points and no bonuses for playing pretty. Just get the division, is all we need.

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For me, I reckon that the Canucks are just taking a little something off it, playing hard enough and well enough to stay at the top of the division but not so much that we will be getting real tired. The important things are 1. getting in the playoffs, 2. having enough in the tank once you get there to make some noise, and not having the whole roster out with the groin pull. You wouldn't know it from the way people talk around here but there no style points and no bonuses for playing pretty. Just get the division, is all we need.

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The fanbase of the team, your mentality is a problem.

Some of you are ridiculous. No wonder Canuck fans are so hated.

I love this team.

The only reason I'd ever stop supporting them, is to separate myself from you lot.

You all assume we could just MAKE A TRADE, and get some bonafide scorer just like that.

Newsflash: Most teams around the league would like to add a top-6 forward to their lineup.

If it were so easy to acquire such a player (or a #1D), these trades would be happening on a weekly basis.

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Who is going to hold the team accountable if not the fans?

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Nobody listen to this guy, he's got bandwagon written all over him! lol

Sure changes need to be made, but to say we've lost our drive is to say that you've lost hope. Let the team find it's own resolve and put it all on the ice- then we'll see who has drive! Go start a "Fire AV" post, cool off and come back when you talk some sense. Don't panic, jump off a bridge and expect us all to follow you. :rolleyes:

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The fans have real jobs to do, and most are looking for entertainment and enjoyment, not negative reinforcement in a vain attempt to improve. They won't spend their time making the team accountable. Look at the terrible teams in the southeast - empty seats, yet the team still plays like bs. You're dreaming if you think fan effort is going to do something. The adults in the team have to rid themselves of the loser mentality - no one else will do it for them.

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I would say that we should fire AV and hire Lindy Ruff, but I doubt there will be any changes there anytime soon.

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Long time fan, first time poster. I've watched every game, and this is how i see things so far this year.....

Over the last few years, we have always taken the first month to get into things. This year, it was really only our first game that was really rough. We were looking good early....and then for some reason the teams management started to mess around with a good thing.

The first major change was to take Kassian off of the first line with the Sedins. The reasoning was that the Sedins were not producing the way they did with Burrows. I asked myself....so what?!? The line was producing offensive pressure and points game in and game out....and Kassian did bring a presence to the ice when the Sedins were out there in a way Burrows can't. It also was a HUGE confidence boost for the kid, and you could see it in his play. You could also see an almost immediate drop in his play when he was bumped down. Bad move management.

The next change was, when Kesler came back, breaking up the Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen line. This line was our most consistent line up until that point. Raymond was having a comeback year, and you could see Schroeder was on the verge of being a regular producer. Kesler comes back, and lines get jumbled...all the chemistry is lost, and oh look, we started losing games. Bad move management.

The next change was to break up Tanev and Ballard. Up until that point, they had been our best defensive pair. Edler wasn't living up to expectations, Garrison wasn't quite hitting the net the way he needed to, Hamhuis didn't look at strong and confident like he normally did, and Bieksa was plauged with illness and injury. So you have one solid pair of defence....and you break them up? And oh look, as soon as that happened, we started to REALLY play poorly in our own end. Several games were handed to the other team based on poor defensive play. Bad move management.

The final big change was a lack of change, more just a continual indecision. Make a concrete choice on what is happening with Luongo! Honestly at this point it is clear that he is here to stay for the season.....i would be very surprised if he wasn't - but Gillis kept up the message of 'we don't give players away, but if a deal comes we will consider it'. Well what does that do? It puts HUGE pressure on Lou because he is in limbo. Is he staying? Is he going? I think it is clear he would prefer to stay, but if he has to go he is willing to work with us. At any rate, it is a distraction from the game.

Secondary to that, you have Schneider who came into the season thinking he was the man - but now is presented by a situation where is maybe isn't the man. The pressure of being the #1 for the first time is exemplified by the constant doubt and worry of being pushed down to #2 spot again if Lou starts to up his game (which, for the first 10 games he played, he did).

Bad move management.

Right now we are not playing to our strengths. Our biggest issue i think is with our offensive and defensive pairings.

Line #1 should be Sedin, Sedin, Kassian. It was producing points, it provided a physical protection for the Sedins, and it was allowing Kassian to develop into a great player - not just a tough guy. Having him thrown on the 4th line is just turning him into a tough guy, a one dimensional player who is easily replaced. A complete waste of Cody Hodgson.

Line #2 and Line #3 are both interchangeable in terms of ice time and which is classified as #2 or #3. You have Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen and then you have Booth - Kesler - Higgins. The latter line PROVED itself to be a contender last year. You have speed, you have strength, you have grit and you have scoring. The former listed line is new to this year, and as described above, had HUGE chemistry. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

These pairings give confidence to Booth and Kesler, both coming off injury. They give confidence to Raymond, who is having an outsanding bounce back year, and they also help further develop another young talent in Schroeder. Just like Kassian, Schroeder isn't developing at all on the 4th line. He doesn't even fit the physical bill like Kassian does there. He is a clear cut case of 'one of these things is not like the other'. Schroeder's career is going to die on the 4th line - putting him on the PP is not enough to develop his offensive skills the way they should.

The 4th line is a toss up. None of these guys are really performing for us. You have Weiss - Lapierre and now Sestito. Those guys all belong on the 4th line. They are made for it, they can do thier jobs there, it just makes sense.

Now, where - might you ask - is Burrows? I love Burrows, i think he should be on the team, and i would be disappointed if we traded him. Where does he fit in though? He could slide into the #2 or #3 line, replacing either Booth or Schroeder - honestly i'd prefer to have him replace Schroeder...i think his style of play would line up with Raymond and Hansen quite well - neither of them have that 'crash the net and be a pain in the D's butt' skill like he does.

Until Kesler comes back it isn't a problem - stick him with Booth and Higgins. When Kesler comes back...then it's something that needs sorting out.

As for our Defence pairings - get Tanev and Ballard back together. They work. Just do it. As for the other four - Bieksa and Hamhuis have proven themselves to be a solid pair. They both have had some hurdles this year, but they aren't going to build that chemistry back unless they are back together. That leaves Edler and Garrison - which SHOULD be a solid combination. Again, Edler isn't going to get better on his off-wing if he doesn't play it!

It just feels like if something doesn't work within 2-3 games, management gives up. Edler can't adjust, move him to another pairing. Garrison can't hit the net as often as he needs to, move him to another pairing. Wrong. Give these guys a chance to adjust - the lockout was a serious impact on everyone, stick with it and i think the results will come.

As for the goalies - they are who they are. I think we benefit in keeping both of them, but come out and say you are going to do that! Take that unknown decision off both of their shoulders. Let them focus on their games, which clearly have been sliding as of late.

Phew, there we go, my 1st extensive 2 cents post on the Canucks forums. Cherry = popped!

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when you can you improve your club......but there a re significant pts missed.

when you take into account your best scoring forward (daniel missed three key games vs LA,,,daniel came back helpped win a game and helped a the team get 1-0 lead into the third.... before their tie and their eventual OT winner.......other than that it would have been a tough hard fought series dow nto gmae 7 if daniel was healthy to start.....

let alone Bos was realitvily healthy (other than Horton out in game one

Van Hamhuis(number one dman) Kesler playing on one leg....edler (broken fingers????)samulesson erhoff playing very hurt etc

easily a one game diffrence maker....and thats why you need quality depth to go all the way.

bottom line is we still need another quality goal scorer to either slot in or play full time to increae the deppth of the team....probably another third line center to bolster depth too....

face it booth and kesler have missed nearly thte entire season so far....our defence is just starting to eliminate the number of costly mistakes.........and we still have a ways to go...to improve thsi team.

if our pp was crnking it would just mask the problems or injuries....ansdd we would have a few more pts wins etc

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Weren't Samuelson, Hodgson and Erhoff better than Booth, Kassian and Garrison? Our depth, with Kesler out.. has been tested and shown they aren't very good. Sedins and goaltending are doing their thing, it's everyone else. That includes the coach, especially the PP coach.

There is no easy way to right this ship.

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on fire with delusion if she thinks that things will fall into place at playoff time for this team.

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It seems like ever since the Canucks lost to Boston in the SCF they have been a different team. Even last year when they were Presidents trophy winners, they rarely impressed and kind of just coasted through the season into the playoffs. We all know how that turned out...

I truly think that the stanley cup final messed with their heads. I'm talking about Bieksa, Burrows, the Sedins, Kesler, Edler, Hamhuis and most of all AV. We all hoped that after they lost in the final that they would bounce back even better then before, but that idea is quickly fading. If anything, the drive for hockey vanished that fateful day, and they realized that there are better and more important things than hockey, like wives, kids, vacation houses, private yachts, etc. And then of course we have Jesus boy David Booth sitting in the corner preaching that hockey is just a small part of his life and that the fans don't understand, and oh yeah how much he loves God and Jesus.

That brings me to AV. You can totally see that AV has lost the room. He made all of his core players way too comfortable with their jobs and status on the team. The entire core got complacent and since getting huge contracts and wives and kids they have lost their emotions that made them such an exciting team in the years leading up to 2012. AV needs to go so a new coach can come in and actually threaten some jobs that AV wouldn't have the guts to do. Im talking about you Edler.

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