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#1 DownUndaCanuck

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 07:07 AM

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I'll admit I used to hate on Bieksa the last 3 seasons for some of his really stupid defensive plays. Sure he's always been a clutch scorer and big-time performer, but that never made up for his brain-farts in his own zone.

This season though, Kevin is playing a much more physical, solid defensive brand of hockey while putting up career offensive numbers at the same time. He's really become a leader on this defence.

I just wanted to highlight the effect his absence has on this team, particularly the defence that quite frankly looks lost without its only right-handed shooter.

In the last 5 games without Bieksa playing, the Canucks are a perfect 0-3-2. No wins. Of course he came back for the L.A match, a game against a team that had won 5 straight, had the two hottest scorers in Carter (6 game goal streak on the line) and Kopitar (almost 2 points per game in his last 5 games) and Bieksa and co. throttled the Champs 5-2.

Now in those last 5 games here's how our defence fared. We were outscored 10-20 and here were our defender's +/- ratings:

Edler: -4
Tanev: -2
Hamhuis: even
Garrison: even
Alberts: -1
Ballard: -4

This team shouldn't depend on one guy so badly. If we can't deal with injuries right now, we won't deal with them well in the playoffs. Hopefully it's nothing worse, like the fact that the other defenders NEED a right handed defenceman for the lefties to be comfortable, or MG will have to go find one.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 08:04 AM

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I said this in the PGT and fully support it.

People don't always see Bieksa for what he is - which is a big part of the backbone of this team. He's a bit of a conductor and, without him, the supporting cast lacks direction.

Bieksa has made a conscientious effort in his career to develop in playing to his strengths. He likes to jump up into the play but doesn't just do so - he tries to choose exactly when by only attempting to get involved offensively if he believes he'll get to the puck without it creating a defensive problem. It's taken some work to do that.

His balance in that does make him pretty valuable...I honestly think the guy could be a forward.

Is he the be all to end all and savior of the team? No. But I do think that he's a missing piece to making this puzzle complete and when he's missing, the team doesn't function as well as a whole.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 08:39 AM

Bieksa is like Salo a few years ago - he (sometimes quietly) does his thing on the back end, but the winning percentage with him in the lineup is way higher.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 08:54 AM

Wow, our defence is pathetic.

Best top 6 in the league. What a joke.

The worst top 4 defensively in the league, now that I buy.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:01 AM

I've never hated Bieksa. Always one of my favorites
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:14 AM

I'm a not a Bieksa fan by any means, but these last two games have showed me how important he is to the defense. They have looked lost without him.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:18 AM

The Canucks are missing alot of things. Leadership seems to be one of them. I think Bieksa is a huge part of that on the ice.

This team needs a serious injection of talent though. Only question is does MG have the balls to do it? Or is he going to go shopping in the bargain bin come trade deadline?
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:19 AM

I'll admit I used to hate on Bieksa the last 3 seasons for some of his really stupid defensive plays. Sure he's always been a clutch scorer and big-time performer, but that never made up for his brain-farts in his own zone.

This season though, Kevin is playing a much more physical, solid defensive brand of hockey while putting up career offensive numbers at the same time. He's really become a leader on this defence.

I just wanted to highlight the effect his absence has on this team, particularly the defence that quite frankly looks lost without its only right-handed shooter.

In the last 5 games without Bieksa playing, the Canucks are a perfect 0-3-2. No wins. Of course he came back for the L.A match, a game against a team that had won 5 straight, had the two hottest scorers in Carter (6 game goal streak on the line) and Kopitar (almost 2 points per game in his last 5 games) and Bieksa and co. throttled the Champs 5-2.

Now in those last 5 games here's how our defence fared. We were outscored 10-20 and here were our defender's +/- ratings:

Edler: -4
Tanev: -2
Hamhuis: even
Garrison: even
Alberts: -1
Ballard: -4

This team shouldn't depend on one guy so badly. If we can't deal with injuries right now, we won't deal with them well in the playoffs. Hopefully it's nothing worse, like the fact that the other defenders NEED a right handed defenceman for the lefties to be comfortable, or MG will have to go find one.


Ya I've certainly gained more of an appreciation for him. His experience certainly is missing in the combinations we have out there but I'll say it again, alot of our defensive woes have to do with our defensive coaching and positioning.

You should be able to slot guys in and not be 'running around' so much, or look so confused and messed up. Thats not bec of one player or two, its because of a poorly designed defensive system.

If you have been watching recent games, EVERY team is putting two guys in deep on the puck. Why? because they know the Nucks are not positioning themselves for outlets for the puck carrier, no support, or if there is, its up the boards.

Until this changes, no Bieksa, no Ballard will help. This was Chicago's strategy 3 years ago and it worked, then Boston did it, and it worked, then LA, and now every team that plays us has a book on us. Do it and you'll force turnovers, a poor break out and slow them down.

It all starts in your own end. You break that press you have speed the other way and odd man rushes. You don't and you have an oddman in your own zone, and isn't that what we're seeing?

I am not sure why the Nucks coaches don't get this, or why they aren't willing to allow their players to break out differently. But our own d zone coverage and positioning once we get the puck is atrocious. This is the same reason why one guy forechecking against our power play causes the pp to get stuck in its own end.

I've never seen anything like this other than house league hockey and the fact our players are so confused in their own zone tells me one and only one thing. Its coaching not the players.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:22 AM

Bieksa's definitely a big part. Edler has been playing two many minutes....28 against SJ and 26 against CLB. The good news is Tanev is developing into a quality top-four defensemen. Once Bieksa is back, we'll have 5 top-four calibre d men which should get everyone's ice time down.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:42 AM

I said this in the PGT and fully support it.

People don't always see Bieksa for what he is - which is a big part of the backbone of this team. He's a bit of a conductor and, without him, the supporting cast lacks direction.

Bieksa has made a conscientious effort in his career to develop in playing to his strengths. He likes to jump up into the play but doesn't just do so - he tries to choose exactly when by only attempting to get involved offensively if he believes he'll get to the puck without it creating a defensive problem. It's taken some work to do that.

His balance in that does make him pretty valuable...I honestly think the guy could be a forward.

Is he the be all to end all and savior of the team? No. But I do think that he's a missing piece to making this puzzle complete and when he's missing, the team doesn't function as well as a whole.


Completely agree with this and the op. It has become very evident watching the games that he has been out for.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't we 0-5 or 0-6 w.o kb3??
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:49 AM

bieska in the lineup we are better ,but its not going to help edler stay on his feet or getting beat wide 10 times a game.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:58 AM

Bench Edler! Yes, we need Bieksa's experience and toughness on the back end. Keeping Edler for his big pp shot is stupid. He can't hit the net. Isn't fast enough to readjust at the blue line and find a shooting lane. He either gets his shots blocked (most of the time) or he misses the net by 5 feet.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:47 AM

Bieksa is a huge part of this team and has been for a long time. There is a reason why he is one of Don Cherrys favorites and mine as well. He plays a physical all around in your face game and brings it every night. Yes he is prone to some bad plays, but has really seemed to put that behind this year. The guy brings a never quit, work your ass off attitude and holds the other team accountable.

He can hit, play defence, add offense, fight when needed and provide leadership by example. You can tell he has a good sense of humour and is really liked by his teammates for what he brings and how he does it. He is a no BS kind of guy and has the respect of his teammates and it shows.

While Im not bashing Henrik, Bieksa could easily be the Captain of this team and rightfully so.

Hopefully his injury isnt too serious and we get him back soon. Look at our record without him.

What this team needs is a few more players like Bieksa who give it there all night in and night out and leave nothing on the table.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:23 PM

The Canucks are missing alot of things. Leadership seems to be one of them. I think Bieksa is a huge part of that on the ice.

This team needs a serious injection of talent though. Only question is does MG have the balls to do it? Or is he going to go shopping in the bargain bin come trade deadline?

That's an interesting comment, this team needs a serious injection of talent. First of all it says that the team is seriously short on talent. And then how do you inject talent? Do you just ask for it? Do people just give you talent? How do you inject talent in a line up? Is it just a question of the GM having balls and asking for it?? If you go shopping in the expensive bin you have to be prepared to spend, like Hodgson to get Kassian. Was that an injection of talent?
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:39 PM

Imagine what an Edler Schneider package would bring us in return. Would a nine million dollar 50 goal scorer have a greater impact than those two?

IMO Edler has been the weak link on D for a long time. Bieksa is definatly our D leader.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:44 PM

So how long is Bieska out for????
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:18 PM

I have always been a Bieksa supporter.
He is the heart and soul of this team and when he is out, this team looks lost. You should be able to have other players step in and cover while he is out but for whatever reason, our so called 'top notch defense that is one of the best' is proving to be inept.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:21 PM

You know how I miss? Christian Ehrhoff. The teams offence has never been the same since he left.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:50 PM

The Canucks are missing alot of things. Leadership seems to be one of them. I think Bieksa is a huge part of that on the ice.

This team needs a serious injection of talent though. Only question is does MG have the balls to do it? Or is he going to go shopping in the bargain bin come trade deadline?


I agree....Bieksa is our defensive leader...not edler. Imagine the return we can get for Edler and schneider.....losing them would have little impact on the team and free up 9 million for a pure 50 goal guy...finally. Do it MG. Grow some nuts or we're going to sink.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:50 PM

You know how I miss? Christian Ehrhoff. The teams offence has never been the same since he left.


Dude, you gotta give me time to guess.

Also, yes. Bieksa is my favourite player, too many intangibles with this guy.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:51 PM

We're missing Salo more than Bieksa imo, ESPECIALLY on the powerplay
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:54 PM

The Canucks appear to be missing Keith Ballard as well.

Hamhuis - 24:50
Garrison - 24:54
Tanev - 24:32
Edler - 26:01
Barker - 13:38
Alberts - 13:19
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:11 PM

You know how I miss? Christian Ehrhoff. The teams offence has never been the same since he left.


Me too. He sucked defensively, but he was really a key member of the way the nucks played.

Should we have paid him 40 million? probably not...
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

Me too.  He sucked defensively, but he was really a key member of the way the nucks played.

Should we have paid him 40 million?  probably not...


Id rather have erhoff than edler right now.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:22 PM

Cum hoc non propter hoc
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:29 PM

Wow, our defence is pathetic.

Best top 6 in the league. What a joke.

The worst top 4 defensively in the league, now that I buy.


Must be selling cheap, because it wouldn't be worth the purchase otherwise.


You seriously think a top 4 of

Edler - Garrison
Bieksa - Hamhuis

Is the WORST top 4 defensively? Is this a joke? By no means are we the best, but take a look at some of these:


Columbus:

Johnson - Aucoin
Tyutin - Wisniewski


Winnipeg:

Byfuglien - Enstrom
Postma - Bogosian

Carolina:

Gleason - Pitkanen
McBain - Faulk


Just a few examples of horrendous defense.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:41 PM

I was a huge basher of Kevin 4 seasons ago, but you need to look at his numbers again. He has been one our best all around D man the past 2 seasons. His physical play and points over the last 3 show he has learned and changed his game. This is not the first year he has been playing this way.

I agree without KB the team lacks major bite. He is one of if not THE team leader in the room and on the ice. He deserves the C with the way he defends his team mates...but the rest of the team including him need to come to play for 60 minutes. This is the true reason why this team is floundering right now. I do think a major trade or coaching change is in order to shake out the cobwebs that seem to set in for 5-6 minutes every period. The system feels stagnant and the players actually look bored out there at times.

With the emergence of Tanev and the fact Ballard has looked like one our best we need to just plain step it up and play smarter, faster , harder hockey.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:44 PM

The Canucks appear to be missing Keith Ballard as well.

Hamhuis - 24:50
Garrison - 24:54
Tanev - 24:32
Edler - 26:01
Barker - 13:38
Alberts - 13:19


Tanev and Edler should never be playing those sorts of minutes, despite OT. They were so bad last night against one of the worst offences and forwards in the league, and it can be attributed to them playing so much.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

I'd love to see CANUCKLEON try to weasel his way out of this one :lol:
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:53 PM

The frustrating thing is, all of these guys are capable defenders. They've proven it in the past.

But so far this season they have just failed to create any chemistry together. They're all discombobulated. Yea, I said it, discombobulated.

It's taken Bowness this long to try and find the right mix. Now it's time to just let these guys work on getting in a rhythm. I don't care if we're losing games right now, as long as our D starts to tighten up, and get better and better every game.

Oh, and it wouldn't hurt to add another veteran to the mix.

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