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#31 406281dylan

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 03:26 PM

whats hockey without physicality
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 03:54 PM

I don't want fighting banned - I just want the punishment increased.

Hockey is the only non fighting sport that condones fighting.
All other non fighting sports (football, rugby, soccer, cricket, baseball, basketball, etc), the punishment for fighting is ejection from the game.
Unlike boxing or UFC for example, you don't get any points for fighting in a hockey game.

I don't care about the "it's always been there" crap. Just because it's there doesn't make it right.
"take it away and cheap shots increase" - really? Based on what? There is no evidence for that.
If fighting is part of the game, then why are there no fighting drills in any minor hockey coaches manuals?
Why don't we teach young players to fight as part of a practice?
Because fighting is not part of the game - it's part of the blood thirsty entertainment factor and some times it's just 2 players who can't control their emotions...


It's entertaining, and entertainment = $$$ Although in my own personal experience I don't find it super enjoyable to watch as the players don't seem to enjoy doing it very much, especially when they end up all bloody and bruised, and with little, if any, benefit to anyone.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 03:54 PM

I don't mean to be rude but whenever I see a new member make a thread like this I tend to believe that person signed up for that sole expressed purpose.

I don't know if that's true in your case but I have no doubt that survey companies hired by the NHL or other advocacy groups routinely probe sites like this to both gauge opinion and to sway it.

Just putting it out there.

I think you may be on to something here... OP seems to offer up a little too much information... suspicious at the very least.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 03:59 PM

I am sorry but this biased truck load of feces reeks to high heaven. No fighting , no fans plain and simple. Hockey is modern day gladiatorial games. Taking the fight out would be like taking the sword out of the gladiators hands. Never gonna happen. All we need is the instigator rule gone and I guarantee you the checks to the head and from behind disappear because of the fear of being policed. It is the only answer apart from firing the commish and getting a true man who has played the game in the seat that understands that fighting is integral to this beautiful game.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:17 PM

I think you may be on to something here... OP seems to offer up a little too much information... suspicious at the very least.

I am sorry you and the other user have had experiences that have made both of you question someone trying to offer a discussion with some substance without thinking there must be some hidden agenda.

Fortunately, I am a real person. No one paid me anything and no company or big corporation paid me anything to come and post here or sign up to this forum.

I am a man of science for the most part. I like to have interesting conversations, like I said. Maybe few people in sport's forums do try to offer depth or detailed discussions. There is no need to talk of conspiracy theories. However, you'll find that I do not easily believe stats or what I hear or see on TV or on the Web. I am a sceptic.

I thought this would be a great conversation starter. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. You know, healthy dialogue.

I'm much more of an observer, anyway.

Hockey is great. I've watched all but a couple of periods from two games (of the Canucks, obviously). I've even worn Canucks gear for almost every game. I try to learn about the game as much as time permits.

But you know, one thing is, my friends and I; we are not very aggressive people to begin with (we're in our late 20s and 30s, if that matters). Fighting is part of the game, but it doesn't mean we can't have some meaningful discussion about it over a beer. We like to enjoy the game. We're not the most boisterous guys, though we cheer on our team in good and bad times.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:28 PM

Fighting should remain in the game but they should be allow to go after all those cheap shot artists who hit from behind/slew foots but turtles when they are confronted.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:36 PM

Put me in the column against this! Take out the instigator penalty let guys who take runs or cheap shots or whatever be held accountable by force! Hockey is a physical game sometimes even violent, there needs to be more respect given. Give the players a role in policing themselves.
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#38 Shoot the Puck!!!!

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:42 PM

Not this Canadian


^this

I would like to see the player that is only capable of fighting, eventually go by the way side.
Nothing wrong with a good old fashion fight, or sticking up for you teammate....just no goons!!!
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:42 PM

I've been a die hard hockey fan for the past 10 years. But I grew up outside of North America for the first 15 years of my life being a die hard fan of soccer (still am) so I can look at this from different perspectives.

I personally would support a ban on fighting if it ever came to voting... I think it's barbaric to have that in a sport that's not about fighting (as opposed to boxing or UFC), specially after witnessing so much damage to the players. But it doesn't stop me from watching hockey either. To me it's not a big part of the game and if they players don't care about their safety then I won't bother either and will just enjoy the game.

My only beef is with people who want fighting to stay only because of "tradition". My personal opinion is that "tradition" is not a good enough reason to not improve something, just because you want it to stay the same for nostalgic purposes. But that's my personal opinion and I apply to my everyday life as well... just cuz the people before me have done something a certain way, doesn't mean I shouldn't think about how I can do it better (in work, entertainment, religion, etc.)

Edited by westvandude, 08 March 2013 - 04:45 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:45 PM

If the instigator rule was removed, fighting would keep the players honest. All the Cooke's and Kaleta's of the league would be ragdolled and beaten down when they took liberties out on the ice. That's how you cut down on repeat offenders. No one gives a crap about a phone call from Brendan Shanahan.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:46 PM

whats hockey without physicality



Soccer ?
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#42 SkeeterHansen

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:50 PM

...Jesus Christ...


I don't think he likes hockey. He's a cricket guy, so I've heard.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:52 PM

Survey to hockey players and fans instead of 'specific samples'...you will the find the majority want fighting in the game. I've talked with maybe 6 or 7 people about fighting in hockey. Only 1 opposed to it actually played hockey.

I doubt the authenticity of this poll. All those quoted are anti-fighting people. I don't think it's a realistic survey of hockey fans. Not even the majority of those surveyed were 'self-described hockey fans', and those who were were a select sample. Sounds fishy.

Also, bodychecking out of peewee? Are you serious?


It's already gone from house hockey in BC - I'm playing rep now so that I can keep hitting. I wouldn't be surprised if they removed it from peewee rep as well. That being said, taking hitting out was a horrible idea and never should have been done.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:53 PM

I heard that 2/3 of Canadians want fighting banned ( they were talking about it on Sportsnet) but I find that very hard to believe. I dont think I know 1 Canadian who is a hockey fan that wants it banned. I have a feeling that it is a biased survey done by a group that wants it banned and is targeting like minded people for their surveys.


First off (not directed at anyone in particular), don't call bull on the poll unless you have specific areas of concern dealing with statistics. Your anecdotal evidence in now way contradicts the poll.

Selection bias, you hang around people like yourself. I, my father, most of the males in my family all played hockey competitively. The only hockey related subject we can agree on is our distaste for fighting. I would categorize the majority of hockey viewers opinions as that of apathy rather then actual conviction on the subject.

Using the Angus-Reid polling, self described hockey fans still prefer fighting by almost a 2 to 1 margin. That said one has to look at revenue streams for the league. Most hockey fans hate the "suits". Sadly for those that hate them, those suits are worth far more to the organization then they are (individually). One suit that buys 2-4 tickets for himself and some clients or family once a year contributes more to the company coffers then your average joe sitting on the couch drinking a beer.

The thing is, most fans huff and puff, but at the end of the day will sit down and watch the NHL/NFL/Trout Fishing regardless (remember all that boycott talk during the lockout?). If you get rid of fighting, hockey fans will bitch and moan, but they will still be good consumers. By getting rid of fighting you may attract the fair weather fans. Now personally, I don't think it would actually change viewership/attendance by very much (at least in the somewhat predictable near term), but the logic is sound.

It is worth noting, I (and my family) were universally top 3/6 guys (ignoring the goalie and defensemen). Anecdotal evidence incoming! I never bought the "protection" role. I found the guys that caused me the most problems were the "protectors" for the other teams. Both my coach, and my dad's coach tended to lean towards a faster grinding sort of game, rather then Bruins style thugs hockey. Grinding the opposition down with speed, shots and body checking (rather then big hits or fighting, or slashing at knees, etc). So it is worth keeping this in mind when analyzing what I said. The younger (but still experienced) refs were my favourite, as they did not bend the rules because it was "playoff hockey", they were consistent with their enforcement, that in itself stopped our league(s) Matt Cooke's from being long lasting league fixtures, as they became huge liabilities.

My 2 cents...wait...does it round down to zero now, I guess it would have to go up to 5 cents...damn, opinions are really costing me these days.

Edited by Lundymaphone, 08 March 2013 - 05:01 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:12 PM

take out fighting and the players don't have a way of policing them selves out side of "cheap shots"

as brutal as the officiating has been the last few games dose anyone want the zebras to have even more power to dictate games

the instigator rule needs to go, not fighting

Edited by 4thLineGrinder, 08 March 2013 - 05:15 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:22 PM

Poor Don Cherry will probably have a stroke if they eliminate fighting from hockey.
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Amazingly on his first shift Kassian would have had a breakaway if Kesler knew how to pass. And he still got switched with Weiss. And note it is "Weiss" not "Wise".


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:37 PM

fighting is part of hockey
thats like taking away 3 pointers from the nba
its just not the same
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

I love fighting in the game. Love watching it and used to love doing it. I am all for taking the staged fighting out but heat-of-the-moment fights should always be part of the game, IMO.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:55 PM

No! Fighting keeps players "honest" to some extent. I really think they need to dump the suspension for a player leaving the bench. When a star player has a cheap shot taken at him, the offender must have his ass beat immediately and properly. Like when Keith elbowed Daniel, someone (Kassian) should've been over the boards and beating that stupid redneck senseless. Players need to be held accountable on the ice, if you remove fighting from the game it will be a free for all cheap shot extravaganza.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:55 PM

Hockey ain't hockey without a good fight bs to the ban this is not ringet ...
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:17 PM

In what Crazy world are you living in that you inferred his post to mean that? :picard:

Here is a simple solution to those who don't want to see fighting in the NHL: If you are watching hockey and a fight breaks out ------ wait for it -------- DON'T WATCH.

Go to a game and watch what happens when a fight breaksout... 18,000 + fans to their feet, both teams on the benches standing and banging their sticks against the boards... every person in the building is watching that.... besides shootouts and goals (maybe big saves) I don't think there is anything else that gets everyones attention like that.

Exactly, so why bother with boring hockey, when as you say nothing gets everyone's attention like the fights. On the same note, we should make sure we have a lot more horrific crashes on the roads, did you notice how everyone slows down and stares, nothing gets their attention like a great crash. And yes, I am sure the Ottawa bench were all banging their stick when their guy was scraped off the ice..
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#52 coastal1

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:20 PM

No! Fighting keeps players "honest" to some extent. I really think they need to dump the suspension for a player leaving the bench. When a star player has a cheap shot taken at him, the offender must have his ass beat immediately and properly. Like when Keith elbowed Daniel, someone (Kassian) should've been over the boards and beating that stupid redneck senseless. Players need to be held accountable on the ice, if you remove fighting from the game it will be a free for all cheap shot extravaganza.

Exactly, in fact, when Daniel hit Keith in the head a bit earlier in that game, he should have been beaten senseless right then and there, that would have avoided all the trouble that followed. Accountability!
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:50 PM

I've been a die hard hockey fan for the past 10 years. But I grew up outside of North America for the first 15 years of my life being a die hard fan of soccer (still am) so I can look at this from different perspectives.

I personally would support a ban on fighting if it ever came to voting... I think it's barbaric to have that in a sport that's not about fighting (as opposed to boxing or UFC), specially after witnessing so much damage to the players. But it doesn't stop me from watching hockey either. To me it's not a big part of the game and if they players don't care about their safety then I won't bother either and will just enjoy the game.

My only beef is with people who want fighting to stay only because of "tradition". My personal opinion is that "tradition" is not a good enough reason to not improve something, just because you want it to stay the same for nostalgic purposes. But that's my personal opinion and I apply to my everyday life as well... just cuz the people before me have done something a certain way, doesn't mean I shouldn't think about how I can do it better (in work, entertainment, religion, etc.)



Yes! Sweetly, sweetly barbaric.

This barbarism combined with the sheer elegance and skill required is what makes hockey so special.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:55 PM

Not this Canadian


Nor I.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 07:03 PM

I don't mean to be rude but whenever I see a new member make a thread like this I tend to believe that person signed up for that sole expressed purpose.

I don't know if that's true in your case but I have no doubt that survey companies hired by the NHL or other advocacy groups routinely probe sites like this to both gauge opinion and to sway it.

Just putting it out there.



I see where you're going with this and it makes sence. Easiest way to get the general concencus on a topic now a days is through the Internet.

Not saying it happens often but I've noticed some pretty good first post threads that touch on some some ongoing issues around the league.

On the other hand it's worth it to get some good topics rather than most Drabble you find on here.





I am for fighting in hockey and believe it should be more like it was, bring back getting your a$$ handed to you when you deliver a dirty hit.


Edited by kylecanuck, 08 March 2013 - 07:08 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 07:25 PM

I personally would support a ban on fighting if it ever came to voting... I think it's barbaric to have that in a sport that's not about fighting (as opposed to boxing or UFC), specially after witnessing so much damage to the players. But it doesn't stop me from watching hockey either. To me it's not a big part of the game and if they players don't care about their safety then I won't bother either and will just enjoy the game.







This is the problem that is fueling this war on fighting. Fighting doesn't cause nearly the amount of injuries as cheap shots do. Ya you get a broken nose, cheek, orbital bone, big deal you'll heal. You get a flying elbow to the head, ran from behind, or pushed into the boards head first, serious injuries are going to happen.

These guys will start to think twice about hitting those numbers when they have a enforcer without reprocussions coming in after.

Edited by kylecanuck, 08 March 2013 - 08:31 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 07:31 PM

op is looking for feedback and it is their first post. yes their, sounds like someone is bating the board.

if i just released some bogus poll, got it on sportsnet and wanted to know how worked up hockey fans got about it. i think i would start a profile, write a long blog, and watch the fun.

question is who. could this be the league looking for fodder for more control of the players?
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 07:41 PM

Meh I could care less what a bunch of do-gooder white knight softies think...fighting is part of hockey. Even if this highly biased article is true, but how many of the people responding to the poll are die hard hockey fans? I bet the vast majority of people who responded that fighting should be banned in hockey are people that don't watch hockey on a regular basis. The people that make decisions about hockey should be people that are heavily involved in the game. Currently I believe 99% of NHL players are in favour of keeping fighting, that should tell you something. If you don't like it, don't watch it, plain and simple. Whoever wrote this article can stick it up their ass.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 07:52 PM

The NHL will never ban fighting. If you watch the excitment that the combative role plays you would understand this game. Rarely do the players seriously injure themselves, but it can have a decisive role in wins and loses. The spark that it gives the players on the bench can ignite them to victory. My opinion as a lifelong hockey fan is that if fighting was banned, I would not enjoy the game anynmore.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:38 PM

I am sorry you and the other user have had experiences that have made both of you question someone trying to offer a discussion with some substance without thinking there must be some hidden agenda.

Fortunately, I am a real person. No one paid me anything and no company or big corporation paid me anything to come and post here or sign up to this forum.

I am a man of science for the most part. I like to have interesting conversations, like I said. Maybe few people in sport's forums do try to offer depth or detailed discussions. There is no need to talk of conspiracy theories. However, you'll find that I do not easily believe stats or what I hear or see on TV or on the Web. I am a sceptic.

I thought this would be a great conversation starter. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. You know, healthy dialogue.

I'm much more of an observer, anyway.

Hockey is great. I've watched all but a couple of periods from two games (of the Canucks, obviously). I've even worn Canucks gear for almost every game. I try to learn about the game as much as time permits.

But you know, one thing is, my friends and I; we are not very aggressive people to begin with (we're in our late 20s and 30s, if that matters). Fighting is part of the game, but it doesn't mean we can't have some meaningful discussion about it over a beer. We like to enjoy the game. We're not the most boisterous guys, though we cheer on our team in good and bad times.

Anyone who has played the game understands that hockey is the physical struggle of overcoming brute force with finess and thereby achieving the victory. The game really is not about fans who sit in the stands and have never experienced that physical challenge. I credit the player who plays the body and yes even fights at times as well as the fast outside player who cuts to the net and roofs a backhand. For evey Hank Sedin there is a Shawn Thorton. They each make their contribution to the game.

A true classic is an Alex Burrows. He came to the NHL thru a long route of disappointment but perservered. An agitator to a premier forward. A player who wondered while in the ECHL whether to continue on. A player Stevie Y chose to represent Canada in World play last year. No player goes on the ice when he starts playing the game thinking he wants to beat some smuck into the ice. Elite players all realize that as they progress to higher echolons of play that their roles become more defined if they want to continue. There are tens of thousands who cannot adjust and drop out.

If you perceive excessive violence in hockey I suggest you don't watch. UFC fighting is perhaps something you should campaign against. I know lots of retired hockey players. Yes they have their aches and pains but most never regret their time in the sport and in fact still play oldtimer hockey. You should perhaps check out retired NFL players and see if their physical condition lets them make the same claim.
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