Wow, your position and intention of stimulating intelligent, philosophical debate/discussion sure deteriorated to a soap box pontification of banning fights real fast...cerebral evolution, the last time I checked, was all about understanding the many sides of any argument...appears you're still dragging your knuckles and barely walking erect with your own evolution. Maybe you should talk about that before you lecture everyone on how our world has evolved. Good luck to you, science dude...hope no one steals your Darwin fish off your back bumper.
Oh, please. Save the ad hominem attacks and melodrama. I receive unfounded criticism and no one mentions it. I make a couple of sarcastic comments and a couple of you act as if you are "calling me out". Notice I never made any strawman attacks, whereas I can count quite a few that have made strawman attacks on me, yet I don't see you arbitrating this discussion to make it a fair 'playing field'. Sorry but I don't like to put up with this type of rhetoric. If I am bias, I will state it. I do have biases but will make it clear when I am stating them.
What I say is simple: the game has changed. People do romanticise the way it used to be. The current state of the game is not like before. Many people want to keep fighting because of 'tradition'.
There is a difference between a soap box and having a meaningful discussion. Most responses here are no longer than a few sentences. I don't care, though. There are a few good responses that I can hopefully have the time to reply to instead of trying to defend myself every time someone tries to throw the thread off-topic.
If you read my original post, I said I do not like fighting and if it were up to me I would ban it. I am having a difficult time understanding why all of a sudden you feel I am pontificating "banning fights real fast". I was clear about my position on this matter.
Also, if a survey is done and shows that players want to keep fighting, so be it. If someone showed me evidence of this and I continued on some diatribe, then that would be pontificating. So, let's ensure we are not misunderstanding one another or talking across each other.
I laid out what I think is the reasoning behind keeping fights. Do you really want me to outline the one-liners that 'explain' why they want to keep fighting? You are doing exactly what I said fans do. Don't be blind-sided by your passion for the sport. I feel passionate about it as well, but sometimes we need to step aside and throw some cold water on the situation.
And I'm sorry but I have no idea what you mean by "Maybe you should talk about that before you lecture everyone". What exactly do you want me to talk about? How you insult me by insinuating that I am an unevolved thing? No thanks. I'd rather have a meaningful discussion with people that can share anecdotes and some data, which luckily a few have done.
coastal1 brings up an interesting figure of a poll done by Hockey Night in Canada. It does show that the majority (53%) do not want the instigator rule abolished. I dug around and the details are extremely bare. I won't even provide the link because it shows absolutely no detail.
However, I wanted to bring up a point about statistics. Just a few days ago (March 6), CBC Sports had an article on statistics: http://www.cbc.ca/sp...statistics.html
This is what I am getting at, in part. If you read that article, you'll notice coaches and management treat stats cautiously. I know the article doesn't get into it, but all of the higher-ups realise how powerful statistics can be. Especially when wanting to reveal facts that can damage the sport. Read between the lines. But more importantly, notice that the Canucks embrace these advancements in technology and statistics.
Let me make a comparison: right now, in soccer, there is an analytical tool created by none other than the Germans, that analyse each player's playing method. You can head over to Castrol Football.com to have a look.
But this does more than analyse what players need to improve on and best strategies. It can potentially create a profile on the health, stamina, endurance, and health/well-being of a player.
With this amount of data, we will be able to tell what hockey needs to improve on. For all of you who love everytime Alain flips a coin, go ahead and oppose statistics. I'm sure these same people love to argue and get angry about AV's 'methodology'. Teams are secretive, though, and this is not conducive to revealing meaningful data.
Hockey is no longer your traditional boys being boys playing oldtime hockey. It is a business. There are two sides to it, and fans do themselves a disservice when they get overtaken by their emotions. I'm sure the NHL loves this, because this is how they get you and manipulate you.
What I'm trying to say is let's not kid ourselves with the whole 'Let's Keep It Real'. People are making money, and a lot of it, off of the whole fighting aspect. I'm not against making money, but I have a problem when it is done at the cost of people's livelihoods and well-being.
I'll leave it at that for now. Thanks for reading.