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#1 Kack Zassian

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:15 PM

Florida
Mason Raymond
2nd Round Pick

Vancouver
Mike Weaver
Marcel Goc

Gives us a very high end 3rd line center, and a very underrated shutdown defenseman who had ridiculous success with Jason Garrison in the past.


Hansen Goc Higgins <-- uber checking line

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Tanev
Garrison Weaver
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:31 PM

i dont mind it, but seems like we are giving up quite a bit
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

No. We have too many D as is, and Weaver used to play for us already. We didn't sign Garrison to use him strictly in a shutdown role and pair him with a guy who won't do much else.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:34 PM

Getting rid of mayray won't help us IMO.

Fair trade tho value wise
... I just wouldn't do it
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#5 Kack Zassian

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:45 PM

No. We have too many D as is, and Weaver used to play for us already. We didn't sign Garrison to use him strictly in a shutdown role and pair him with a guy who won't do much else.


Gives us another RH dman. Move Tanev/Ballard/Garrison/Weaver around as you like.

Also gives us a cheap Ballard alternative for next year (assuming Ballard is a cap casualty)

Even if Garrison is here in a more offensive role, your bringing in a player who is proven to have chemistry.

Doesnt mean they play together all the time, but gives you a proven option.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:48 PM

i dont mind it, but seems like we are giving up quite a bit


Agreed its a steep price. Marcel Goc is one of the best 3C's in the league (definitely top 5, case could be made for top-3).

Think prime Manny Malhotra.

Mike Weaver is a cheap, super reliable guy we could use on the bottom pairing. Him and Garrison were one of the best shutdown pairs when they played together (almost Hamhuis/Bieksa like shutdown ability)


*Article on Goc
http://thehockeywrit....oc-underrated/

Edited by Kack Zassian, 08 March 2013 - 04:50 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:42 PM

No. We have too many D as is, and Weaver used to play for us already. We didn't sign Garrison to use him strictly in a shutdown role and pair him with a guy who won't do much else.


If we started using Garrison as a shut down d that would take pressure off of Edler and allow him to be the offensive stud he is without the pains of his defensive blunders.

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Weaver
Edler - Tanev

To take advantage of Garrison's offensive upside he can play first line PP as his shot is looking quite a bit better, maybe even try a Garrison Tanev PP pairing, can't beat slick skating smooth passing and a big shot on the blueline.
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#8 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:48 PM

Nah.

We need to keep Raymond and no real need for Weaver.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:56 PM

Nah.

We need to keep Raymond and no real need for Weaver.


In all fairness, if we bring in Goc (and assumingly move Schroeder to wing)

Sedin Sedin Kesler
Booth Kesler Schroeder
Hansen Goc Higgins
Kassian Lapierre Weise/Pinnizzotto

doesn't leave a whole lot of room for Raymond (and he is a relatively expendable piece for us with some decent trade value).

Edited by Kack Zassian, 08 March 2013 - 05:56 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:58 PM

Nah.

We need to keep Raymond and no real need for Weaver.


Also, I am looking at Weaver as more of a replacement for Ballard next year. Gives us a cheap, reliable d-man who can play on the bottom pairing, but also fits into a top-4 role in the event of injuries.

Hamuis Bieksa
Edler Tanev
Garrison Weaver

(Spot Garrison some PP time, and give him a few extra shifts with Edler in the o-zone)
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:59 PM

Sounds decent, now if only we could get a goalie an return to finish it
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:09 PM

In all fairness, if we bring in Goc (and assumingly move Schroeder to wing)

Sedin Sedin Kesler
Booth Kesler Schroeder
Hansen Goc Higgins
Kassian Lapierre Weise/Pinnizzotto

doesn't leave a whole lot of room for Raymond (and he is a relatively expendable piece for us with some decent trade value).


You put Kesler in the line-up twice.

And I'm not sure if Schroeder will be able to play there.

For me:

Daniel - Henrik - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian/Higgins
Raymond - ? - Hansen

Raymond is too important IMO, one of the few players providing secondary scoring.

Weaver isn't really a need, maybe next year but there will be other options. Garrison has looked fine on the right side so far so we can just leave him there.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:27 PM

Raymond is too important IMO, one of the few players providing secondary scoring.

Weaver isn't really a need, maybe next year but there will be other options. Garrison has looked fine on the right side so far so we can just leave him there.


* Meant Burrows on the top line, not Kesler

- I don't know if I agree that Raymond is too important. He has looked good this season... but Marcel Goc is the closest thing to 2009-2010 Manny Malhotra around.

- Weaver gives us a guy who we know would fit into the lineup in at least 1 combination. I think its a foregone conclusion that Ballard is on his way out by next year. So we bring in a guy who can log heavy minutes when needed to, but is priced as a 3rd pairing guy.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:39 PM

* Meant Burrows on the top line, not Kesler

- I don't know if I agree that Raymond is too important. He has looked good this season... but Marcel Goc is the closest thing to 2009-2010 Manny Malhotra around.

- Weaver gives us a guy who we know would fit into the lineup in at least 1 combination. I think its a foregone conclusion that Ballard is on his way out by next year. So we bring in a guy who can log heavy minutes when needed to, but is priced as a 3rd pairing guy.


We would then have to move Ballard, and Raymond once again is providing secondary offense.

Maybe Raymond for Goc one for one, but I am also not keen on giving up our 2nd as this draft is so deep, and I don't think Weaver is worth the 2nd.

I would consider Raymond for Goc, but seeing as we are already struggling to score goals, trading away our 2nd leading scorer wouldn't solve our problems.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 02:18 PM

We would then have to move Ballard, and Raymond once again is providing secondary offense.

Maybe Raymond for Goc one for one, but I am also not keen on giving up our 2nd as this draft is so deep, and I don't think Weaver is worth the 2nd.

I would consider Raymond for Goc, but seeing as we are already struggling to score goals, trading away our 2nd leading scorer wouldn't solve our problems.


Were on pace for 15 less goals this year than we were last year (which a healthy Kesler more than accounts for).

I think with the emergence of Schroeder, and Jensen making noise (and Kassian looking for a bigger role) we have the pieces available to make Raymond expendable.
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#16 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 02:40 PM

Were on pace for 15 less goals this year than we were last year (which a healthy Kesler more than accounts for).

I think with the emergence of Schroeder, and Jensen making noise (and Kassian looking for a bigger role) we have the pieces available to make Raymond expendable.


I wouldn't go that far, Schroeder though impressive hasn't produced all that much, Jensen had a great year in the SEL but isn't ready to jump in and be a major contributor, and unless he shows that he is in the AHL then we shouldn't even bother calling him up (so far he has had 1 uneventful game)

Kassian could maybe supply some of that but with the way Raymond is playing I don't think he covers it completely. Plus from there perspective Raymond is an upcoming UFA so he really doesn't add anything.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:27 PM

I wouldn't go that far, Schroeder though impressive hasn't produced all that much, Jensen had a great year in the SEL but isn't ready to jump in and be a major contributor, and unless he shows that he is in the AHL then we shouldn't even bother calling him up (so far he has had 1 uneventful game)

Kassian could maybe supply some of that but with the way Raymond is playing I don't think he covers it completely. Plus from there perspective Raymond is an upcoming UFA so he really doesn't add anything.


I don't think any of these guys 100% substitute for Raymond.

I feel like Gocs heavy lifting ability down the middle is more of a need than Raymonds secondary offense.

I would rather see Schroeder take over for Raymond than see Lapierre take over for Manny Malhotra (2009-2010 version).
(Hope that makes sense)
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:41 PM

I don't think any of these guys 100% substitute for Raymond.

I feel like Gocs heavy lifting ability down the middle is more of a need than Raymonds secondary offense.

I would rather see Schroeder take over for Raymond than see Lapierre take over for Manny Malhotra (2009-2010 version).
(Hope that makes sense)


Could probably get Goc for a 2nd. Or 2nd + prospect at most.

They probably wouldn't accept Raymond for Goc anyways as he is a pending UFA and if they are sellers that doesn't make sense to acquire, so really these are moot points.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:09 PM

At this point, all I care about is that they pull off a trade so shake things up a little. The team is lost right now.... though we do seem to go through this for a spell every year. This year we may not have the time to pull our socks back up.

Florida has sucky goaltening, and Markstrom doesn't appear to be ready for primetime... so maybe they could still be interested in Luongo.
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