Jump to content

Welcome to canucks.com Vancouver Canucks homepage

Photo

Tavares

Proposal

  • Please log in to reply
44 replies to this topic

#1 CHIPS

CHIPS

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,787 posts
  • Joined: 22-October 07

Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:54 PM

Ok I will admit that I am officially on panic mode right now. All my logic is out the window, after we got outplayed, outgunned and lost against the worst team in the league.

So, someone still sane, please tell me if the following deal is a vast overpayment. Thanks. :frantic:

Schneider+Ballard+1st 2013+2nd 2013+1st 2014+2nd 2014

for

Tavares+Hamonic+Okposo+Nabokov+Dipietro(to buy out, huge negative value, money is money).


Key points:
Travares is signed though 2018 at $5.5m.
Okposo is signed though 2016 at $2.8m.
Hamonic is a decent right handed dman. RFA after this year.
Nabokov will back up Luongo.
Dipietro is for buy out. He is a huge negative value.


We would give the Sedins a good chance at the Cup for a few years.

Edited by CHIPS, 08 March 2013 - 01:59 PM.

  • 0

CanucksvsBruinsPollsmall-1.jpgRogerNeilsonSmall.jpgSig too big. 


#2 Squeak

Squeak

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,274 posts
  • Joined: 21-April 03

Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:57 PM

This:

Schneider+Ballard+1st 2013+2nd 2013+1st 2014+2nd 2014

MIGHT get you Tavares..... and even then, I doubt it.
  • 0
Posted Image

#3 Pears

Pears

    Canucks All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,032 posts
  • Joined: 14-November 11

Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:59 PM

Take out Hamonic and Okposo and its a little more sane
  • 0

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

   ryan kesler is going to the chicago blackhawks ...       quote me on it


#4 canucklax

canucklax

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,787 posts
  • Joined: 08-July 09

Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:01 PM

If NYI is moving Tavares, the sedins would have to be coming back from their point of view. He IS the team
  • 0

6xFRVi3.png

Credit to bananamash for the sig. Credit to torts for being stubborn

Bring Back the Totems!
NHLSL Winnipeg Jets


#5 Wolf smell

Wolf smell

    K-Wing Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 60 posts
  • Joined: 25-August 12

Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:10 PM

Also dipietro doesn't really have that big of a negative as you'd think. Yes it sucks paying for a guy they don't have on their roster. But it helps get them to the cap floor. Why else trade for thomas?
  • 0

#6 Bang Bang Boogie

Bang Bang Boogie

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,050 posts
  • Joined: 19-February 06

Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:25 PM

Overpayment by the Islanders, not the Canucks.
  • 0
Posted Image

#7 canucklax

canucklax

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,787 posts
  • Joined: 08-July 09

Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

Also dipietro doesn't really have that big of a negative as you'd think. Yes it sucks paying for a guy they don't have on their roster. But it helps get them to the cap floor. Why else trade for thomas?


Cap floor has been dropped, they don't need that anymore which is why he's in the AHL, and not exactly shining there with a GAA of 4.63(albeit in 3 games)
  • 0

6xFRVi3.png

Credit to bananamash for the sig. Credit to torts for being stubborn

Bring Back the Totems!
NHLSL Winnipeg Jets


#8 sampy

sampy

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,043 posts
  • Joined: 05-May 07

Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:11 PM

Also dipietro doesn't really have that big of a negative as you'd think. Yes it sucks paying for a guy they don't have on their roster. But it helps get them to the cap floor. Why else trade for thomas?


It's still over $30mil the Isles are going to be paying for Dipietro until his contract runs. That's $4mil a year they could be spending elsewhere.
They are not actually paying Thomas the cash.
  • 0

#9 Kack Zassian

Kack Zassian

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,240 posts
  • Joined: 06-January 12

Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:30 PM

That package gets you Hamonic and Okposo.

Throw in Kesler and 2 more firsts and they consider Tavares.
  • 0

#10 sampy

sampy

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,043 posts
  • Joined: 05-May 07

Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

That package gets you Hamonic and Okposo.

Throw in Kesler and 2 more firsts and they consider Tavares.


And buying out Dipietro's $40 mil owing ???
Overpayment much?
  • 0

#11 Pavel Burrows

Pavel Burrows

    Comets Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 343 posts
  • Joined: 06-January 13

Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

Sedins for Tavares and Moulson. lol
  • 0
Posted Image





Credit to VC!

#12 Kack Zassian

Kack Zassian

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,240 posts
  • Joined: 06-January 12

Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:49 PM

And buying out Dipietro's $40 mil owing ???
Overpayment much?


So that would be the reason to trade the face of your franchise?
  • 0

#13 Smashian Kassian

Smashian Kassian

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,166 posts
  • Joined: 10-June 10

Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:05 PM

Not even close.

Kesler + Edler + Kassian might get them to start thinking about trading Tavares.
  • 0

zackass.png


#14 Yotes

Yotes

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,393 posts
  • Joined: 22-April 08

Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:59 PM

the islanders might as well fold the team if they trade tavares
  • 1

#15 sampy

sampy

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,043 posts
  • Joined: 05-May 07

Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:17 PM

So that would be the reason to trade the face of your franchise?


Gretzky was sold for a 1/3 of that. Does Wang and the Isles have an extra $40mil kicking around. A good trade package and paying off that contract may be worth it.

Tavares, Nabokov (ufa), Visnosky/Streit (ufa), Dipietro (buyout)
for
Schneider, Ballard, Booth, Shroeder, 1st, 2nd


IMO if money is still an issue in NYI, the Isles would take it. Aqulini would be the one with an issue.
  • 0

#16 Spoosh

Spoosh

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,420 posts
  • Joined: 10-August 05

Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:18 AM

Sedins for Tavares and Moulson. lol


Oh noes... :blink:
  • 0
© 2000, 2014 K'Spoosh Entertainment Ltd.

Misuse of this almost copyrighted information will with near certainty lead to misuse of it.


Posted Image

#17 Apples

Apples

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,907 posts
  • Joined: 21-May 09

Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:33 AM

No way the Islanders will ever trade Tavares. You'll probably have to add a Burrows/Edler/Kesler onto your list
  • 0

apple_e0.gif

apple_e0.gifapple_e0.gif

apple_e0.gifapple_e0.gifapple_e0.gif


#18 palindrom

palindrom

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,072 posts
  • Joined: 09-December 10

Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:54 AM

imagine if NYI actually do this trade...

would it help or hurt their season ticket sales?
  • 0
Posted Image Was too much for me!

Instead im reading English grammar for advanced dummies





#19 Apples

Apples

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,907 posts
  • Joined: 21-May 09

Posted 09 March 2013 - 04:39 AM

imagine if NYI actually do this trade...

would it help or hurt their season ticket sales?


Depends who they get back. Pretty sure if they got a Sedin more people would go to the game
  • 0

apple_e0.gif

apple_e0.gifapple_e0.gif

apple_e0.gifapple_e0.gifapple_e0.gif


#20 palindrom

palindrom

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,072 posts
  • Joined: 09-December 10

Posted 09 March 2013 - 05:43 AM

Depends who they get back. Pretty sure if they got a Sedin more people would go to the game


A Sedin sell more ticket than a Tavares ?
  • 0
Posted Image Was too much for me!

Instead im reading English grammar for advanced dummies





#21 Kack Zassian

Kack Zassian

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,240 posts
  • Joined: 06-January 12

Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:40 AM

Gretzky was sold for a 1/3 of that. Does Wang and the Isles have an extra $40mil kicking around. A good trade package and paying off that contract may be worth it.

Tavares, Nabokov (ufa), Visnosky/Streit (ufa), Dipietro (buyout)
for
Schneider, Ballard, Booth, Shroeder, 1st, 2nd


IMO if money is still an issue in NYI, the Isles would take it. Aqulini would be the one with an issue.


So IF Wang did that
1) When is the last time a 10 player trade occured?
2) Gretzky was like 20 years ago...
3) Do you not think he could get a better player for Tavares than Schneider and a bunch of 2nd rate pieces?
  • 0

#22 Kack Zassian

Kack Zassian

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,240 posts
  • Joined: 06-January 12

Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:42 AM

Gretzky was sold for a 1/3 of that. Does Wang and the Isles have an extra $40mil kicking around. A good trade package and paying off that contract may be worth it.

Tavares, Nabokov (ufa), Visnosky/Streit (ufa), Dipietro (buyout)
for
Schneider, Ballard, Booth, Shroeder, 1st, 2nd


IMO if money is still an issue in NYI, the Isles would take it. Aqulini would be the one with an issue.


Better trade:

Take out all the garbage:

Ryan Kesler + Cory Schneider
for
John Tavares + Rick Dipietro
  • 0

#23 sampy

sampy

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,043 posts
  • Joined: 05-May 07

Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

Better trade:

Take out all the garbage:

Ryan Kesler + Cory Schneider
for
John Tavares + Rick Dipietro


Value is fair without Dipieteo, but I think you are underestimating the $40 mil owing. That is more $$$ than the entire 2013 NYI roster.
  • 0

#24 Kack Zassian

Kack Zassian

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,240 posts
  • Joined: 06-January 12

Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:08 PM

Value is fair without Dipieteo, but I think you are underestimating the $40 mil owing. That is more $$$ than the entire 2013 NYI roster.


That doesn't make Tavares any more or any less available. Maybe if you were trading for a guy like Nino, or Okposo... wouldn't have any impact on a Tavares deal. Period.
  • 0

#25 Erik Karlsson

Erik Karlsson

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,713 posts
  • Joined: 24-March 09

Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:29 PM

Better trade:

Take out all the garbage:

Ryan Kesler + Cory Schneider
for
John Tavares + Rick Dipietro


Still no way they do that trade, Tavares gets better each year and is already a top 10 player in the league, Kesler barely even plays anymore, and Schneider isn't going to take the Islanders anywhere.
  • 0

Posted Image

Credit to -Vintage Canuck-


#26 Kack Zassian

Kack Zassian

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,240 posts
  • Joined: 06-January 12

Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:41 PM

Still no way they do that trade, Tavares gets better each year and is already a top 10 player in the league, Kesler barely even plays anymore, and Schneider isn't going to take the Islanders anywhere.


Im not disagreeing with you. But its a lot closer than anything the OP even thought of.
  • 0

#27 canuckfan85

canuckfan85

    Comets Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 718 posts
  • Joined: 08-February 13

Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:59 PM

That package gets you Hamonic and Okposo.

Throw in Kesler and 2 more firsts and they consider Tavares.


ok , now that is funny- clearly you do not know the value of Hamonic and Okposo- of Gillis did that package for those 2 players, he would absolutely be fired and never hired again.
Hamonic and Okoposo for schneider ballard 2013, 2014 1st and 2nds--- rip offf, you should be banned for this type of post

Its More like

Schneider+ Ballard + Booth + 2013, 2014 1st for Tavares and Matt Martin

If I were Gillis, I would actually think about this, considering we are a veteran team with a "window" and Jensen and Kassian could grow with Tavares

Edited by canuckfan85, 09 March 2013 - 03:00 PM.

  • 0

#28 The Kessing Booth line

The Kessing Booth line

    Comets Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 342 posts
  • Joined: 20-January 12

Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:02 PM

*BREAKING NEWS* John Tavares is not available. Stop making stupid proposals.
  • 0

#29 The Kessing Booth line

The Kessing Booth line

    Comets Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 342 posts
  • Joined: 20-January 12

Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:11 PM

But if he was NYI would want Schneider + Edler + Kesler for him.
  • 0

#30 Kack Zassian

Kack Zassian

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,240 posts
  • Joined: 06-January 12

Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:17 PM

ok , now that is funny- clearly you do not know the value of Hamonic and Okposo- of Gillis did that package for those 2 players, he would absolutely be fired and never hired again.
Hamonic and Okoposo for schneider ballard 2013, 2014 1st and 2nds--- rip offf, you should be banned for this type of post

Its More like

Schneider+ Ballard + Booth + 2013, 2014 1st for Tavares and Matt Martin

If I were Gillis, I would actually think about this, considering we are a veteran team with a "window" and Jensen and Kassian could grow with Tavares


Irony:
Tells me I don't know player values, and then makes a John Tavares proposal :lol:
  • 0





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Canucks.com is the official Web site of The Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks and Canucks.com are trademarks of The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership.  NHL and the word mark and image of the Stanley Cup are registered trademarks and the NHL Shield and NHL Conference logos are trademarks of the National Hockey League. All NHL logos and marks and NHL team logos and marks as well as all other proprietary materials depicted herein are the property of the NHL and the respective NHL teams and may not be reproduced without the prior written consent of NHL Enterprises, L.P.  Copyright © 2009 The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership and the National Hockey League.  All Rights Reserved.