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#31 Hamhuis Hipcheck

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:31 AM

Let's make no fun vancouver into MOARRR no fun vancouver.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:22 AM

Liberal math always fascinates me. Tell me how 2.7 million tax-dollars is gonna turn into 100 million?

Are you trying to tell me that every dollar generated by the Grey Cup comes back to the government coffers?

If not, then it's not an over 100 million return on a 2.7 million investment, is it?

And your wrong, this is the first time a province has bought the Grey Cup. The BC Liberals are so desperate for votes that they forked over 2.7 million tax dollars when their Liberal cronies came looking for corporate welfare.


Even at a 7% provincial portion of the HST, that's 7 million. 7 million, last time I checked, is greater than 2.7 million.

You wanna get your orange NDP calculator out to double check?

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:51 AM

Even at a 7% provincial portion of the HST, that's 7 million. 7 million, last time I checked, is greater than 2.7 million.

You wanna get your orange NDP calculator out to double check?

And the forecast will be spending on the order of $120 - $130 million according to reports - beyond the $100 million in the last hosted Grey Cup.

That is also ignoring the fact that money is not just spent, there will be employees working for businesses servicing the people here for the Grey Cup so the province gets it share of income tax from earnings and company profits.

And of course there is also a multiplier process that comes into the calculation - It comes about because injections of new demand for goods and services into the circular flow of income stimulate further rounds of spending – in other words “one person’s spending is another’s income”
This can lead to a bigger eventual effect on output and employment. Econ 101.

This multiplier concept should be familiar to NDPers because it forms the basis for justifying deficit spending by governments.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 08:57 AM

Even at a 7% provincial portion of the HST, that's 7 million. 7 million, last time I checked, is greater than 2.7 million.

You wanna get your orange NDP calculator out to double check?


The best part of this thread is that the only mentions of NDP are by right wingers. Just like the CC apology thread.

Really shows who's wearing partisan panties.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 10:03 AM

The best part of this thread is that the only mentions of NDP are by right wingers.

And you expect the NDP to not be used as a measuring stick? This is BC politics with an upcoming election.

The best part of this thread was the OP in which an NDP supporter took what is very good news for BC and for Vancouver in particular and tried to spin it into some bizarro anti- Christy Clark thread.

B.C. Premier Christy Clark maintained Friday that the public subsidy of $2.7 million, allocated in the provincial budget for the 2014 Grey Cup game and festival, will create jobs and have a ripple effect in the Vancouver economy many times greater than its weight.

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“There’s such a strong return in that,” the premier said. “We’re getting $120 million, $130 million in return, for a $2 million (sic) investment? That’s pretty good. We saw what the Grey Cup game could do for our province, just a couple of years ago (2011). We want to get that back again.”

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When the Lions realized last August that they likely would have an unencumbered path to secure rights to the 2014 Grey Cup game, Clark was made aware of it by the football team, months before Friday’s official announcement.


“The Lions came to me and asked if we would consider it … a few months after the last Grey Cup,” Clark explained. “Obviously, they (CFL) could have given it to someone else. We’re lucky we got this chance. You know, it’s an example of how you need to make tough decisions sometimes. We stepped forward, because we want to create jobs.”

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Other teams fumbled the ball on hosting the Grey Cup and Lions owner David Braley stepped up with a solid block from the BC government.

Of course this is the first time in history that a sitting government has used a sports team to promote its image and have photo ops (Just to be clear this sarcasm).

“It galvanizes everyone to host an event like this, and we thought we could use this as a catalyst for very serious investment.”

Them durn right wingers, eh? What a ridiculous claim.

Oh wait that was then NDP Premier Glen Clark when he committed government money to the preliminary bid for 2010 Olympics in March 1998 after Arthur Griffiths and Tourism Vancouver’s top executive, Rick Antonson paid him a visit. Clark even went to Toronto to sell Vancouver to the pressure the Canadian Olympics Committee that November. “I made a pretty naked speech that Vancouver-Whistler had the best chance of winning the Games for Canada,” said Clark.

Much like the Grey Cup Vancouver was late to the IOC party and needed the support of the BC government to solidify its bid and Clark was happy to oblige. Oh yeah and there were photo ops, BTW.

And when the BC Liberals came to power in 2001, they continued the push. Oh yeah and yet more photo ops for both provincial and federal politicians:

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BTW Christy Clark is a longtime BC Lions fan.

Clark, who grew up in Burnaby and attended Lions games as a youngster, makes no bones about her love for the football team. She was front and centre at ribbon-cutting ceremony on Sept. 30, 2011, when the refurbished stadium was reopened to the public for a CFL game between the Lions and Edmonton Eskimos. A framed Lions No. 35 jersey (who knew she was a fan of kick returner Tim Brown?) hangs in a reception area outside the premier’s office in the provincial legislature.

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Here is how Vancouver came to host the 2014 Grey Cup as set out by sportswriter Cam Cole.

On the whole, it’s probably a good thing the Canadian Football League doesn’t carve its choices of Grey Cup host cities in stone.


Presumptive hosts are developing an alarming habit of throwing up their hands and saying: “Not yet!”


Fortunately, the Godfather of the CFL, David Braley, is there to pick up the pieces, and so it will be when a badly kept secret is made official Friday morning, that his B.C. Lions will throw the 2014 Grey Cup bash.


That will make three substantial paydays in four years for the good senator, two of them pickups from the discard pile. He only needs the proceeds from another dozen or so to nearly break even on his outlay over a long career as the CFL’s No. 1 benefactor.


The Lions, you will recall, won the Cup on home turf at BC Place Stadium in 2011 — a game they only hosted because Hamilton’s Ivor Wynne Stadium was finally acknowledged to be in the last stages of decomposition — and Braley’s Toronto Argonauts did the same last November at Rogers Centre, in a 100th-anniversary celebration that broke all records for revenues.


The latest city to drop back and punt is Winnipeg, which had been the front-runner for the 2014 game in its new Investors Group Field. But owing to construction delays, a park that was supposed to have opened last year — while dazzling, by all accounts — won’t get its first test until this summer, and the Blue Bombers appear to have decided that they’d rather play a full season in the new facility and work out the bugs before taking on the big show.


“Only the Bombers could find a way to lose a Grey Cup without playing in it,” wrote one commenter on a Winnipeg story about the day’s developments.


“What is factual is that it is sometimes better for the overall status of the organization when you are dealing with a brand new facility, to work out the kinks and get fully acclimated to the new facility before hosting a major event such as the Grey Cup,” said Bombers spokesperson Darren Cameron. “But financial drawbacks on us possibly hosting in 2014 were not and are not a concern whatsoever. We are in a great financial position to host this event whenever it is appropriate for us to do so.”


Originally, the 2014 Cup had been provisionally awarded to Ottawa after the Jeff Hunt group was granted a franchise in 2008, but it might be 2014 before the team plays a game in its new Lansdowne Park/Frank Clair complex.


So now, the Lions are getting the championship game and festival more or less third-hand, even though (if you’re still following the musical chairs) it would normally have been their turn, anyway, had they not jumped the queue to relieve Hamilton of the 2011 finale.


It will be good for David Braley’s bottom line.


No figures are available from last year’s record-shattering blowout in Toronto, because private owners don’t have to divulge their balance sheets, but one report pegged Braley’s take to be as high as $10 million, after losing $3 million on the Argos during the regular season.


The last time someone other than the Lions/Argos owner played host to a Grey Cup, the Edmonton Eskimos made a $4-million profit from the 2010 week (despite a heavier than normal investment in the festival) — and, according to one source, cleared about $6 million on their previous Cup week in 2002, when they lost a home game to Montreal.


Down the road, the 2015 game likely will go to Winnipeg, because Hunt says he would rather see Ottawa’s fledgling entry — to be named the Red Blacks, unless saner heads prevail — establish itself as a contender before venturing fully into the spotlight. So the, er, Blue Golds will almost certainly inherit that one.


(Note to Mr. Hunt: Voyageurs or Raftsmen, for cripes sake. Red Blacks is like volunteering to be mocked.)


Hamilton, whose 24,000-seat PanAm soccer stadium must be ready in time for the Games in 2015, therefore might be arm-wrestling Ottawa for the 2016 game, the loser getting it the following year, and then it will have been nine years since McMahon Stadium in Calgary had its last shot, and eight for Edmonton’s Commonwealth Stadium.


Regina having now approved the bones of the deal to build a new stadium, targeted for opening in 2017, to replace the one at Taylor Field (where the Grey Cup will be played this November), that likely puts Flatland’s next opportunity to host in 2022, with Montreal and Toronto filling in the intervening years.


Or at least, that would make sense, if everything went according to plan. But it’s the CFL, and it’s city and regional and provincial governments, and taxpayers and projects that often fall behind schedule.


So while all this is, theoretically, good news for stadium builders and longtime sufferers from frostbitten buns in Regina and Hamilton — heck, even Calgary is due a renovation before its turn comes up — the rotation is only written faintly in pencil at CFL HQ, where an eraser is always handy.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:21 AM

This is nothing more than the BC Liberal government and their back-room-deal supporters setting up another Christy photo op under the guise of fiscal management.

The Christy kool-aid drinkers beleive what they want to, but for everyone else, we can see the same cast of rats involved with this Grey Cup/Christy photo op.

Let's examine how this came about..

Clark said the province has already allocated the money after the Lions made a request for funding. Crown-owned stadium operator B.C. Pavilion Corp. has disclosed a provincial grant of $2.7 million as part of its bid for the game.

Embattled Clark, who is about to enter a difficult election campaign, said the announcement also proved that Liberals made "the right decision" to invest in B.C. Place Stadium's new retractable roof, which has been in operation since September 2011.

This would be laughable if it wasn't so moronic. She is saying that spending 2.7 million in tax dollars justifies her Liberals decision to spend 514 million? Liberal math, you gotta love it!

Now let's see why Christy would make such an asinine statement...

PavCo, which owns and operates BC Place, is governed primarily by the British Columbia Enterprise Corporation Act, which names it an Agent of the government, binds it by the same laws as the government, and gives it the same immunities as the government.

On May 16, 2008, it was announced that over $150 million in major renovations would be carried out on BC Place Stadium. The official budget for the completed Phase 1 upgrades plus the revitalization project was $514 million.


Yes. The same group of Liberal insiders that balloned the BC Place hole in the roof from 150 million to 514 million. OOPS! That's only off by almost 400 million, no big deal. The Liberals are good fiscal managers after all, right?

No other province has handed over tax payer dollars to host the Grey Cup. Then again, no other province has Christy and her Liberal clowns running the show either.

Doesn't this one really capture Christy's pretty smile??
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:13 PM

Anyone ever tell you, you're crazy ^ ?

"Corrupt" .. lol

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:45 PM

The best part of this thread is that the only mentions of NDP are by right wingers. Just like the CC apology thread.

Really shows who's wearing partisan panties.


Yeah. The OP.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:46 PM

Anyone ever tell you, you're crazy ^ ?

"Corrupt" .. lol


Probably a result of drinking BCliberal water, amiright?

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:00 PM

Probably a result of drinking BCliberal water, amiright?

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:53 PM

Crusty can use some of that money they got for selling the naming rights to BC place.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:02 PM

Anyone ever tell you, you're crazy ^ ?

"Corrupt" .. lol


I wish your opinion meant something to me. Sorry.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 06:32 PM

I'm suprised the memo has yet to make an apperance ...

Seriously though - I am no fan of the BC Liberals but the only issue I have is her picture being included. The money was provided by the tax payers not the BC Liberal party and this close to an election it should not include any politicians in the pictures. Surley there are enough minor football players out there and season ticket holders that would be more reflective of the community nature of the CFL than politicians.

For me the issue is not the money being spent as I believe its a good investment - the issue is this close to an election no politician should be using tax money to politic. This is no different than the new commercials running bragging about the budget - there are better uses for that money.

Sports should not be politicized and exploited for political gain - agree with the funding but disagree that she gets to use it for personal gain. Take her out and put some kids in the photo!!!!!
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 06:52 PM

Sports should not be politicized and exploited for political gain - agree with the funding but disagree that she gets to use it for personal gain. Take her out and put some kids in the photo!!!!!


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:23 PM

$2.7 million for a $100 million return...worth the investment I'd say.

Sorry? How do we the tax payers get that return>?
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 05:23 PM

Sorry? How do we the tax payers get that return>?

Taxes paid due to business generation as set out above.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:05 PM

It's a great move for the province. Doesn't matter if it's Clark or Dix or anyone else who make sit happen. The Grey Cup is beneficial to BC's economy.

Oh and I still hate Christie Clark.......but i'd tap that in a minute
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:42 AM

Say what you want about her but I expect and want any premier of bc to do this. Maybe it's a photo op but she is the premier and she did just make a decision to spend money and bring the grey cup here. So in my mind, whether we like her or not, she deserves to be in this photo. I'm not at all a Christy supporter but this is a no brainer.

I have somewhat of a funny story about her actually regarding stupid photo ops. I was hospitalized after surviving that huge sawmill explosion in PG last year and suffered gnarly burns on my arms, neck and milder ones on the bottom part of my face. They were feeding me 2 different kinds of morphine, one that released slowly throughout the day and one heavy shot right before they cleaned my burns. So I just got the heavy shot and my burns cleaned but hated how the morphine made me feel. You just feel restless and gross so my friend was there and she asked me if I wanted to smoke a doobie. I was like hell yeah I'm in pain and can't rest, this is perfect. So we go for a stroll around the block and blast one and by the time I get back to the hospital I'm freaking mangled because the morphine now kicked in full tilt too. I get back to my floor and the nurse is like "Thad, the premier christy Clarke is here, she wants to meet you". I'm like what?? I don't think that's a good idea right now lol. Anyways I ended up agreeing to have a sit down with her with no cameras but I was completely out to lunch and not making much sense haha. I think I was trying to say something about the torch in the finals but couldn't figure the words out. My dad ended up taking over the conversation cus I went full retard.. She seemed real nice, but then again, I was high as a kite lol

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:31 PM

Crispy Clarke has been on a non stop campaign, complete with negative ads, ever since she was selected.

Hardly ever working at the Legislature actually doing her job and answering questions.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:28 PM

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:45 PM

Gotta love some of you die-hard so-creds, woops , I mean B.C Liberals. Enjoy opposition, if you're lucky. I assume the the Liberal party will fall apart much like the so-creds did.






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