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#1 ALTtimegreat

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 09:44 AM

Wondering if Gillis didnt trade those assets separately, what would the return be in a package of

Schneider + Hodgson + Grabner + a 1st
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 09:48 AM

When we had them all, their individual values were much lower
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 09:58 AM

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 10:02 AM

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 10:13 AM

When we had them all, their individual values were much lower


That's a good point. However, I still think the Canucks should have held on to Hodgson until the offseason and traded Coho+one of our goalies. That could have brought back a legit top 6 player.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 10:16 AM

Depends when they were traded. The Grabner trade was just awful timing. Gillis goes and trades him just before his breakout season so the value he got out of Grabner was very low. If he had waited to let Grabner play a season and show his abilities his trade value would have been a lot better.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:16 AM

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we got wannabe comedians over here. The flames will love you on their fanbase. You two have been traded to the flames. Cheer for their team from now on.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:30 AM

we got wannabe comedians over here. The flames will love you on their fanbase. You two have been traded to the flames. Cheer for their team from now on.


What if we traded you to the flames as well. We could get a better return.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:35 AM

Ryan Miller, Zack Kassian, Buffalos 1st, Nathan Gerbe
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:36 AM

who cares?
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:39 AM

Schneids,Hodgson and a first for Perry was a rumour last year. I would do it in a heartbeat.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:43 AM

Schneids,Hodgson and a first for Perry was a rumour last year. I would do it in a heartbeat.



Probably could trade for Perry, he's definitely not on the team next year.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:55 AM

Depends when they were traded. The Grabner trade was just awful timing. Gillis goes and trades him just before his breakout season so the value he got out of Grabner was very low. If he had waited to let Grabner play a season and show his abilities his trade value would have been a lot better.


What I don't understand is Grabner had a hat-trick in the season before we let him go....his potential was pretty well known and we still let him go :/

I trust Gillis but he needs to learn a lesson about building through the draft and not trading these type og players away
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:05 PM

Grabner has already stated that one of the main reasons for his breakout season was because he was waived by Florida and he knew that he had to work harder to stay in the NHL. I don't know if he would have had a 30+ goal season with the Canucks if we kept him....
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:20 PM

Just because a player is putting numbers up on a crappy non-playoff team... it doesn't mean they would do the same on a good team. Booth and Ballard are prime examples coming the other way.

It makes a big difference when you are getting prime quality minutes because no one else on your team can play the game.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:31 PM

A starting number one goaltender, a potential first line center currently at almost a ppg pace, a solid 20-30+ goal scoring second line winger, and a first round pick?

You would get a lot.
However we would be much better today, and wouldnt think of trading them. (Other than Schneider, because it's either Luongo, or Schneider, just deal whoever makes your team better)
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:55 PM

I don't understand the point of making threads like this one. Hodgson and Grabner were not a fit here at the time of their transactions out of VanCity. To ask, "What if..." at this stage is totally moot. It's already been said a million times in a million threads... Hodgson wanted out and Grabner didn't fit where his skill set dictated.

It's easy to say that we got fleeced in these transactions, but, once again, it's all hindsight. Grabner and Hodgson are performing in their current situations because they are playing the roles they need to be successful. Grabner wasn't going to be a 1/2 winger here and Hodgson wasn't going to be a 1/2 centre. They are now playing those roles with weak clubs, hence their success based on increased minutes ES, PP and PK.

Speculate all you want, folks, but, at the time, neither one of these players fit into the Canuck's roster in a role to make them successful and to highlight their skill set.

As for Schneider, he is our #1 goalie, like it or not. What could he bring in a trade? It all depends on what the other team's needs are.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 01:53 PM

What if we traded you to the flames as well. We could get a better return.


lol you have been traded to the flames for rotten eggs. canucks still accepts.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:08 PM

Schneids,Hodgson and a first for Perry was a rumour last year. I would do it in a heartbeat.

wasn't it Hodgson, Ballard, and a first?
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:24 PM

Just imagine the return we could of gotten for Luongo/Schneider + Hodgson.

Just because a player asks for a trade doesn't mean you trade him right away, especially when you know you need to move a goalie and could package them up.

Sorry but Gillis is a tool as is AV and they're ruining this team imo.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:30 PM

Guys say all sorts of things it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Volpatti said he had mixed feelings when going to Washington even though he probably was disappointed and wanted to stay with Vancouver. Alfredsson said playing with a visor would bother him, then after playing with it for awhile he said it doesn't bother him. Pro athletes sometimes put a positive spin on things in the media that they don't always believe.

Grabner had scored at every level and scored at a 20 goal pace for the one part of a season he played for Vancouver. Also Grabner isn't getting these huge minutes people like to pretend he is. He's on the ice roughly about as much as Higgins or Raymond who last I checked aren't 1st liners.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

Guys say all sorts of things it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Volpatti said he had mixed feelings when going to Washington even though he probably was disappointed and wanted to stay with Vancouver. Alfredsson said playing with a visor would bother him, then after playing with it for awhile he said it doesn't bother him. Pro athletes sometimes put a positive spin on things in the media that they don't always believe.

Grabner had scored at every level and scored at a 20 goal pace for the one part of a season he played for Vancouver. Also Grabner isn't getting these huge minutes people like to pretend he is. He's on the ice roughly about as much as Higgins or Raymond who last I checked aren't 1st liners.


I don't see anyone here "pretending" Grabner is getting huge minutes, spliced.

I think what is being implied is that he is getting much more ice time on Long Island than he was getting in Vancouver, which is true. He is playing 15:51 a game this season while he was playing 13:54 in his 20 games with Vancouver. 2 minutes a game more is significant... 2 or 3 extra shifts every game would add up to 200+ more shifts per season.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 05:38 PM

Grabner has already stated that one of the main reasons for his breakout season was because he was waived by Florida and he knew that he had to work harder to stay in the NHL. I don't know if he would have had a 30+ goal season with the Canucks if we kept him....


If we hadn't traded Grabner he wouldn't be here anyway. This is what people just don't get. The Canucks wouldn't have gifted him a spot, just as Florida wouldn't. He wouldn't have made this team out of camp and would have been lost to waivers being sent to the Wolves. The fact that our entire top six had just had a career year, combined with Grabners history of showing up to camp in poor shape, made him an extreme longshot to make this team. The bottom line is he took too long to develop.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 05:54 PM

Baggins is right.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 08:27 PM

If their values are the same as they are now, Probably Stamkos.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 10:15 PM

I don't see anyone here "pretending" Grabner is getting huge minutes, spliced.


Um...

It makes a big difference when you are getting prime quality minutes because no one else on your team can play the game.


Grabner wasn't going to be a 1/2 winger here and Hodgson wasn't going to be a 1/2 centre. They are now playing those roles with weak clubs, hence their success based on increased minutes ES, PP and PK.




I think what is being implied is that he is getting much more ice time on Long Island than he was getting in Vancouver, which is true. He is playing 15:51 a game this season while he was playing 13:54 in his 20 games with Vancouver. 2 minutes a game more is significant... 2 or 3 extra shifts every game would add up to 200+ more shifts per season.



That's how the NHL usually works, rookies work there way on to teams and get expanded roles as they gain experience. Besides if a team fails to give a player having success ice time that's not the players fault.

So the 20 goal pace he was on in Vancouver was even more impressive since he was getting less minutes here.

Also the idea you lose a guy like Grabner on waivers is ridiculous. It's the kind of bone head move teams that miss the playoffs 10 straight years make.
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