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#61 van_ws

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:01 PM

Wow, crappy start to the year. Not living to the hype so far at all. That was a pathetic performance, fans deserve free tickets after seeing that debacle.

Same old Blue Jays. They better turn it around or it will be a disappointing season. It is still very early, but not promising.
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#62 Bob.Loblaw

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:41 AM

Lots of problems here. Teams are wearing us out with the base hits. Encarnacion, Cabrera, Bonifacio... all no-shows (Lind has been bad since forever). Defensively, the Jays aren't looking too sharp either.

I sure hope Dickey can turn this around. I certainly hope it's not a Rogers Arena thing.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 01:55 PM

Detroit 7 Jays 3

The Jays are now 2 - 5.

I know it's way too early to start to panic.

But, just to be prepared, at what point should fans start to panic?
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#64 Gross-Misconduct

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:21 PM

Bad start but it's still early. I'm not ready to jump off the bandwagon just yet. I'm still wearing my Lawrie jersey (I'm just wearing a hoodie over it for now)
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:30 PM

Detroit 7 Jays 3

The Jays are now 2 - 5.

I know it's way too early to start to panic.

But, just to be prepared, at what point should fans start to panic?


If we haven't turned it around by the end of May, push the panic button. Still TONS of baseball to be played, this team is WAY too good to keep on this pace.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:59 PM

Tried watching a game. Don't understand how this is fun to watch. would rather watch golf
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:04 PM

2-5 to start a season seems alot worse then going 2-5 in the middle of June. No one would be panicking if that happened, but since its at the start of the season people may start to panic.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:08 PM

Tried watching a game. Don't understand how this is fun to watch. would rather watch golf


That's a bad haiku. It's 5-7-5. Not 5-10-5.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:29 PM

Tried watching a game. Don't understand how this is fun to watch. would rather watch golf


When I was young(er), I couldn't watch baseball either. The slowness of the game would drive me nuts. "C'mon, c'mon! Throw the damn ball!".

But as I got older (perhaps because my brain slowed down?), I finally 'got' baseball. Been enjoying it for these past few years. Although it still irks me when a batter has to adjust every piece of his equipment after every swing of the bat.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:42 AM

Subpar hitting and subpar pitching and its no surprise that the Jays are 5-2. I expect the pitchers to turn it around though, the talent is there. But im worried about the hitting, theres no chemistry in the lineup, you need the hitters to feed off each others momentum. Basically, the runs theyve been getting have been from home runs, and thats cause for concern, you cant win with just dingers. Plus Encarnacion is off to a horrendous start, he may have been a fluke last season, well see.
I always felt that the off season hype was too much - yeah, still early i know, but you cant just trade and sign a bunch of players and expect that it will miraculously gel well together. Still may come though. Not so sure about the coaching on the club either.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:08 AM

Look on the bright side, the LA Angels are also, 2-5.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:13 PM

yikes!
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:29 PM

Toronto 8
Detroit 6

3 - 5, while not great, looks a lot better than 2 - 6.

I missed most of the game but apparently the Jays made quite a nice come-back.

And credit to the hard-core baseball fans in Detroit. With the rain delay, that game took over six hours to play. Yet there were still fans there in the ninth inning even as it continued to rain.

Have to wonder why all three games are in the afternoon, though. Wouldn't they get better attendance if the games were in the evening?
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:30 PM

Once our batting takes off (and you know it will) we'll be fine.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 07:29 PM

Once our batting takes off (and you know it will) we'll be fine.


As long as the pitching takes off along with it!

(Jays are currently 24th in the league in hitting and 25th in the league in pitching.)
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:20 PM

Have to wonder why all three games are in the afternoon, though. Wouldn't they get better attendance if the games were in the evening?

I heard they're playing afternoon games because it still could possibly get too cold in the evening in Detroit.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 10:50 AM

This just seems like the same old Jays, pitchers getting lit up with too many holes in the batting order.
So frustrating to watch.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:47 PM

When is it too early for the panic button in a 162 game schedule?
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:30 PM

Blue Jays 8
Kansas 4

So the Blue Jays win the game but lose Reyes. Even when they win, they lose. It's been that kind of start.

They finish their first ten games 4 - 6. Not the start they wanted, but in a 162 game season, very easy to overcome.

Saturday's game should be interesting. Dickey comes into the game 0 - 2 with an ERA of 8.44 (!). It's still early for him, too, but you have to figure there's at least of bit of pressure on him to start to deliver. Let's see if he can.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:56 PM

Tough to see Reyes go down. He was becoming my favorite Jay too.

Bright side about the 4-6 start is that no one else in the AL east is doing that great either.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:32 PM

That ankle turned 180 degrees. If it's bad, I don't know if Lawrie can fill into that leadoff position.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:46 PM

When I was young(er), I couldn't watch baseball either. The slowness of the game would drive me nuts. "C'mon, c'mon! Throw the damn ball!".

But as I got older (perhaps because my brain slowed down?), I finally 'got' baseball. Been enjoying it for these past few years. Although it still irks me when a batter has to adjust every piece of his equipment after every swing of the bat.

I'm the opposite. When I was 12-16 I loved watching Golf and Baseball. I watched all of the Masters, was a big Blue Jays fan around the time when they got Troy Glaus and Frank Thomas. Now I can't change the channel fast enough, I do watch highlights once in a while.

Hockey is the most exciting sport in the world and it's the only sport that keeps my attention anymore.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:52 PM

That ankle turned 180 degrees. If it's bad, I don't know if Lawrie can fill into that leadoff position.


It looked real ugly. Pro's usually don't cry on the field unless it really hurts. Let's hope he's not gone long term.

Lawrie can lead off but he's not putting up Reyes numbers. Especially not his AVG.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:40 PM

It looked real ugly. Pro's usually don't cry on the field unless it really hurts. Let's hope he's not gone long term.

Lawrie can lead off but he's not putting up Reyes numbers. Especially not his AVG.


Once he gets on base, he is fast. Plus he has a decent OBP.

It's his impatience (quick trigger) that doesn't make him a great baserunner. But on second thought, I suppose he can be a good stopgap leadoff for a team that's trying to win.

Once he gets better, of course. What should the order look like now? Cabrera can do leadoff (he's really fast considering how chubby he is), while I'd keep Bats at third, with JP doing the cleanup. I've no clue who to put second. Izturis?
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 07:37 AM

It doesn't look good

Sat, Apr 13
Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos estimated Friday that Jose Reyes (ankle) could miss anywhere from 1-3 months.

Advice: We'll have a better idea on Reyes' status following an MRI on Saturday, but Anthopoulos considers a one-month absence the best-case scenario. It's a crushing blow for the Blue Jays and for fantasy owners who invested a high draft pick on the dynamic shortstop. Emilio Bonifacio probably has the edge to start over Maicer Izturis at shortstop, but Anthopoulous indicated that he has already had discussions with other general managers about possible trades.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:16 AM

Baseball isn't as much as a team sport dynamic as say hockey is. How good or bad a batter is hitting has nothing to do with the rest of the team. No one helps him in that situation. He's either hitting or he isn't. And same goes for pitching. No one should use the excuse that they need to gel due to the heavy offseason moves.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:47 AM

Baseball isn't as much as a team sport dynamic as say hockey is. How good or bad a batter is hitting has nothing to do with the rest of the team. No one helps him in that situation. He's either hitting or he isn't. And same goes for pitching. No one should use the excuse that they need to gel due to the heavy offseason moves.


That's partially true. Baseball is the most individualized team sport of the 4 North American majors. Good team chemistry doesn't mean a team will succeed. But bad chemistry, mostly off the field and in the locker room, can hurt a team's on field performance. Especially in MLB since the season is so long with so many games and these guys have to see each other all time.

But I don't think the gel excuse is valid either.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 12:49 PM

Baseball isn't as much as a team sport dynamic as say hockey is. How good or bad a batter is hitting has nothing to do with the rest of the team. No one helps him in that situation. He's either hitting or he isn't. And same goes for pitching. No one should use the excuse that they need to gel due to the heavy offseason moves.


You havent played baseball then. Someone like Reyes (who was hitting near .400) sparks the rest of the team, when he is on base you know any ball that finds field will probably score him, that motivates hitters. You dont think that being up to bat with 1 out and Reyes on 2nd makes it easier to hit than it would with 2 outs and no one on? The picther, fielders, catcher all have to be aware of the base runner and that means the hitter will have an easier ride.

Hitting has a lot to do with the rest of the team, it causes different situations, different pitches, etc. You have no idea what you're talking about.

And OF COURSE a pitcher has to "gel" with a new team. Do you have any idea the kind of practice/bond/gelling that goes on between a catcher and his pitcher? Rhetorical, I know you dont, lol. A catcher (who makes the most decisions on pitches/location) needs to know what his pitcher is capable of and when in order to make the correct calls. And watching Arencibia in the first few games catching for Dickey shows exactly what I am talking about. Catching a knuckleball is extremely hard if you havent done it before, so yes.... He needs "gel" time with Dickey and all the hew pitchers.

People think Baseball is 100% individual, its far from it. Baseball is all about situational decisions, situations that are heavily effected by your team and what they are doing/not doing on a given night. Is it as team orientated as Football/Hockey/Soccer/etc, no; however your team is very important to you on a given night.

Dont worry though, your opinion is one many uneducated baseball fans have, (not making fun of you, nor calling you out, its just the truth) which is common in Canada where people dont follow it as much as hockey or other sports.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 07:36 PM

Blue Jays 3 Royals 2

Now *that* was the R.A. Dickey I was expecting to see from the start.

Nice win by the Jays with, perhaps, a bit of unnecessary drama at the end. But they won.

A couple of questions for the baseball experts around here:

Is it possible that Gibbons is micro-managing? I can understand yanking your starter after five or six innings and a hundred pitches. But I've often seen a reliever come in, pitch a couple of batters, and then be replaced by another reliever. Is that really necessary? These guys, even though they aren't starters, are professional ball players - they have talent, otherwise they wouldn't be in the major leagues. Do you really have to "match up" your reliever to a left handed (or right handed) batter? Why not put in the reliever and let him pitch for three innings or whatever?

Also, the announcers were saying that the coaching staff simplified the signals for the new guy - Kawasaki. That got me to wonderin'. What do the coaches signal to the batters? Isn't it pretty straight-forward - hit the ball as hard and as long as you can. Why do you need to signal to them? I can see in certain situations where, maybe, you need a sacrifice bunt, but otherwise what is the point of these signals?

Thanks.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:47 AM

Blue Jays 3 Royals 2

Now *that* was the R.A. Dickey I was expecting to see from the start.

Nice win by the Jays with, perhaps, a bit of unnecessary drama at the end. But they won.

A couple of questions for the baseball experts around here:

Is it possible that Gibbons is micro-managing? I can understand yanking your starter after five or six innings and a hundred pitches. But I've often seen a reliever come in, pitch a couple of batters, and then be replaced by another reliever. Is that really necessary? These guys, even though they aren't starters, are professional ball players - they have talent, otherwise they wouldn't be in the major leagues. Do you really have to "match up" your reliever to a left handed (or right handed) batter? Why not put in the reliever and let him pitch for three innings or whatever?

Also, the announcers were saying that the coaching staff simplified the signals for the new guy - Kawasaki. That got me to wonderin'. What do the coaches signal to the batters? Isn't it pretty straight-forward - hit the ball as hard and as long as you can. Why do you need to signal to them? I can see in certain situations where, maybe, you need a sacrifice bunt, but otherwise what is the point of these signals?

Thanks.


You've got a mistaken concept about baseball here. Relief pitchers come in all shapes and sizes. Generally, a good starter can push out around 6 innings. So three innings left, right? Here we go.

4-6th innings: sometimes the starter gets chased, so you get the middle relievers to come into the game. These guys can do one or two innings a piece. A reliever should NEVER do three innings (they probably won't survive that long).

7-8th innings: this is when things get important. You're going to have batting substitutions and pinch hitters coming in. A bullpen will have specialists for all kinds of things. Usually a bullpen will have some left-handed specialists who come in and simply face one batter (I think we use Brett Cecil for those situations). Other than that, you just use the other relievers you have in your bullpen. So a good team with a deep bullpen will probably end up using 5 or 6 pitchers in a single game, which is how the game is played now.

9th inning: Closer, plain and simple. Every baseball team has a closer. We have Casey Janssen.

Long story short? This is how baseball is played. You'll see a lot of one-out pitchers in the World Series because that's what the manager is supposed to do. Gibbons is absolutely doing the right thing here.
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