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#1 CanucksLegacy

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:52 AM

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Canucks all agree something’s missing

MENDOTA HEIGHTS, Minn. — A rough loss against the Chicago Blackhawks couldn’t do it.

Neither could a blowout at the hands of the Detroit Red Wings.

Maybe it will be the overtime loss to the surging doormats, the Columbus Blue Jackets, which helps kick start a Canucks season that’s been, at best, meandering.

Either that, or it could be the 160 pushups.

Winners of just three of 11 games, the Canucks have been missing something. You could say it’s centres and a power play, and you’d be right.

But Cory Schneider called it urgency. And Henrik Sedin said it was desperation.

Whatever it is, it inspired one of the Canucks’ first closed-door meetings of the season Saturday.

“We need to get a little bit more desperate,” Henrik said. “We can’t just go about our business and think not getting wins is good enough just because we’re playing well.

“We need that little extra.

“That’s what you saw in our games against L.A. and San Jose where we pushed ourselves a few more per cent. That’s the difference sometimes in getting two points or losing in overtime.”

Maybe you can’t measure desperation, but Henrik said the fact the Canucks have had more than two power plays in just one of their past seven games reflects a lack of it.

“When you’re playing desperate hockey, that’s usually when you get a few more power plays,” Henrik said. “For sure that’s one thing, when you have to battle a little harder to get to the net so they have to haul you down.

“That’s something we have to start doing.”

A Canucks season never officially starts until the first players-only meeting. Sometimes they go nowhere, and another needs to be called in a few weeks.

Other times they seem to have some impact, like in the 2010-11 season. The Canucks were tortured 7-1 on Nov. 20, 2010 by the Hawks. What followed was a players-only meeting, some moments of self-reflection and the coming together of 23 men, give or take, making it a memorable, if convenient, turning point.

“I don’t think we’re desperate yet, but we need that desperation,” Schneider said. “I think urgency is the better word. We have to realize that ‘Hey, tomorrow is the halfway point of the season and usually the second half is the playoff push.’

“It’s one thing to be in games, but I think we need to have that urgency and that instinct to either separate ourselves during the game or to put teams away instead of hanging around and being in a game.

“I think we need to be dominant in games at some point.”

Dominant is one thing the Canucks have not been, other than three games, which were wins over Minnesota, Calgary and a beatdown of the Anaheim Ducks. But there hasn’t been a game like that in a month.

While the players are handling the current swoon with meetings, the coaching staff chose a more direct, draconian approach.

“Punishment,” Henrik Sedin said.

That’s what the Canucks got served at practice Saturday when head coach Alain Vigneault rolled out his power play practice. The units, which didn’t have personnel changes, had a drill where the power play had to get shots on net and retrieve the puck three straight times.

If they did it, they were good. If not, they had to do pushups.

“There were 160 pushups; yeah, it was tough,” said Henrik, who counted every single one.

Schneider said: “They’re either going to be really strong (Sunday), or really tired.”

Vigneault has either been patient with his alignment or stubborn. He’s continued to have Jordan Schroeder on the point for his first power-play unit, while Jason Garrison, who had nine power-play goals last year, is on the second unit.

When will his patience run out?

“That’s a good question,” Vigneault said. “I’m going to be patient enough to start (Sunday’s game) way.

“How long that’s going to last, I don’t quite know.”

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Thought it was an interesting article in lieu of all the CDC reaction so far and how people perceive things. AV showing a little more tough love with the power play drill (doing push-ups if they didn't retrieve puck after it was shot on net).

I thought this reaction from both the players and coaches is one that could describe as "better late than never". It seems that they concluded there was a lack of desperation/urgency, that hunger for the win, isn't that what people here have been saying? I think things will gradually trend up, but it'll be a process.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:56 AM

at least they do recognize there is an issue. Or is it just lip service?


Players only meetings don't always work... minnesota had one and continued to have a massive losing streak.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:57 AM

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TAke Ehrhoff and Salo away from the 2011 Vancouver Canucks and you have a totally different hockey team.

Thats what the team is looking like right now in 2013. You took away the player that made the Sedins back to back Art Ross winners, followed by a lethal power play, and not really replace him with anyone.

Edited by MoneypuckOverlord, 10 March 2013 - 01:42 AM.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:58 AM

Good.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:59 AM

Hopefully it will wake them up.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:59 AM

TAke Ehrhoff and Salo away from the 2011 Vancouver Canucks and you have a totally different hockey team.

Thats what the team is looking like right now in 2013. You took away the player that made the Sedins back to back Art Ross winners, followed by a lethal power, and not really replace him with anyone.


they did, its just they're not trusted.


Ballard(puck mover) and Garrsion(supposed bomber from the point).
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:03 AM

Forget about the first half of the season. The real season begins now and into the playoffs.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:05 AM

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OMG.....what about the other threads saying there is nothing wrong, the Canucks are better than ever, and that they will flip a switch and dominate in the playoffs?????? Wasn't anyone who thought there was anything wrong a bandwagoner?

Does that mean our entire team are bandwagoners?

Edited by wallstreetamigo, 10 March 2013 - 01:06 AM.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:06 AM

TAke Ehrhoff and Salo away from the 2011 Vancouver Canucks and you have a totally different hockey team.
Thats what the team is looking like right now in 2013. You took away the player that made the Sedins back to back Art Ross winners, followed by a lethal power, and not really replace him with anyone.


The players should be shooting pucks at Gillis and every time he gets hit with a shot he has to do 150 push ups.
Couldn't give Sami an extra million and let him end his career here and demanded Ehrhoff receive Bieksa's contract terms.
Right,Mikey.

Edited by nuck nit, 10 March 2013 - 01:07 AM.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:06 AM

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Took them two months to figure out what we've been seeing?

About freaking time somebody on this team got pissed off.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:14 AM

About time. Players need to step up and start being accountable
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:17 AM

I like the sound of this.. AV showing tough love, bout damn time.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:17 AM

OMG.....what about the other threads saying there is nothing wrong, the Canucks are better than ever, and that they will flip a switch and dominate in the playoffs?????? Wasn't anyone who thought there was anything wrong a bandwagoner?

Does that mean our entire team are bandwagoners?

OMG.....what about the other threads saying there is nothing wrong, the Canucks are better than ever, and that they will flip a switch and dominate in the playoffs?????? Wasn't anyone who thought there was anything wrong a bandwagoner?

Does that mean our entire team are bandwagoners?


Yeah, it's pretty funny how we get called bandwagoners and delusional for posting how lethargic and uninspired the team has played and yet here the team is admitting to precisely that.

I alway sthought Hank was a bandwagon fan!!
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:18 AM

Yeah, it's pretty funny how we get called bandwagoners and delusional for posting how lethargic and uninspired the team has played and yet here the team is admitting to precisely that.

I alway sthought Hank was a bandwagon fan!!


your attitude is appaling... in africa kids have no hockey :rolleyes:
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:24 AM

HAHA!

Henrik and the guys been trollin botchford.

Went in the room, closed the doors, and cracked a pint.

Nice to finally shake that flu bug, heh guys.

"No need to get excited, we got this." :bigblush:

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:25 AM

Yeah, it's pretty funny how we get called bandwagoners and delusional for posting how lethargic and uninspired the team has played and yet here the team is admitting to precisely that.

I alway sthought Hank was a bandwagon fan!!


Saying the team sucks and they're a write off isn't exactly fair criticism.

Not saying you did that, but there was certainly alot of that.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:30 AM

Saying the team sucks and they're a write off isn't exactly fair criticism.

Not saying you did that, but there was certainly alot of that.


Never said they were a write off. I did post lots about how change was needed adn they've played crappy at times this year and underachieved since the SCF appearance. Stand by that.

If they can come up with something amongst themselves to improve the on-ice product, great! If not, other changes will be necessary.

EDIT - I've been a fan since the Nucks came into the league. I lived and died with each of their SCF runs and lived through numeous seasons of non-competitive teams. While I may be over-zealous in some posts when emotions run high, I am anything but a bandwagoner. Those who throw that label around appear to have no comprehension of what it actually means.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:46 AM

they did, its just they're not trusted.


Ballard(puck mover) and Garrsion(supposed bomber from the point).


noooo.....That was the arrogance of Mike Gillis thinking the team can do without Ehrhoff. Props to him, the team still won the Presidents trophy without him, but look at the Sedins... 75 point players. We are not the same good offensive team we were in the past until we find the players that "made" the 2011 team so special.
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4 Jonathan Drouin.

5 Jonathan Tavares

 

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:50 AM

noooo.....That was the arrogance of Mike Gillis thinking the team can do without Ehrhoff. Props to him, the team still won the Presidents trophy without him, but look at the Sedins... 75 point players. We are not the same good offensive team we were in the past until we find the players that "made" the 2011 team so special.


3 words

decent outlet pass.

none of our dman can consistantly make it..
find someone that can do it, you will generate speed and an actual transition/puck possession, and you will see a return to that.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:59 AM

That something extra is that they have been missing a pp qb ever since Ehrhoff left. Trade for Visnovsky from the Islanders.

Ballard and a 4th round pick should be enough for a guy who doesn't even wanna play for the Islanders.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 02:06 AM

Saying the team sucks and they're a write off isn't exactly fair criticism.

Not saying you did that, but there was certainly alot of that.


There is a lot of that on CDC after every loss.....just like there is a lot of euphoric "We will win the cup" BS on here after every win. The idiots aside on both sides of the coin, there are real fans who can actually have legitimate concerns about this team without being bandwagoners........the suggestion that criticism = bandwagoner is even stupider than the polarizing thoughts on either side........

Never said they were a write off. I did post lots about how change was needed adn they've played crappy at times this year and underachieved since the SCF appearance. Stand by that.

If they can come up with something amongst themselves to improve the on-ice product, great! If not, other changes will be necessary.

EDIT - I've been a fan since the Nucks came into the league. I lived and died with each of their SCF runs and lived through numeous seasons of non-competitive teams. While I may be over-zealous in some posts when emotions run high, I am anything but a bandwagoner. Those who throw that label around appear to have no comprehension of what it actually means.


This.....
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 02:07 AM

Hopefully things will change, they have more in the tank.
I'm prepared to see some real Canucks hockey from now on

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:02 AM

I must be the only one who is completely shocked it took half the season to finally have a closed door meeting.

Better late than never I guess
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:21 AM

I must be the only one who is completely shocked it took half the season to finally have a closed door meeting.

Better late than never I guess


Trust me, you are not the only one completely shocked.....
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:49 AM

This shows the leadership on this team. Perfect timing to call a meeting, and while I've always believed the reason we've played so poorly all season is our coaching systems, it's good to see Henrik call a meeting and get the players to understand this situation.

In this case, punishment is what's needed. Player's who aren't playing with urgency or jump need a kick in the pants if anything and AV delivers. Say what you want, he's a top-10 if not top-5 NHL coach and knows how to get the best out of his players.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:54 AM

this only matters if it translates to wins

starting tonight.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 05:50 AM

For a players only meeting there seems to be a lot of what was discussed out in the open.

After your players only meeting isn't the company line to the media suppost to be, we talk about thing we need to work on and improve as a group? What was said in the room says in the room.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:27 AM

This is nothing; during Naslund's last couple years here when the team was often times inconcistent there was seemingly a players only meeting every other week.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:31 AM

so what happens when this doesn't produce results? what's the next step?
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:27 AM

then they are going to visit a psychic to have their palms read.
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