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#1 37yrsncounting

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:47 PM

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I have been a Canuck fan for 37 years and for years I lived with mediorce goaltending and dreams of the Canucks playing for the stanley cup. Back in 2006/7, along comes Luongo and wow, singlehandly pushed our team into the playoffs and was a rock in the Dallas playoff series especially in one of the longest playoff game ever to involve the Canucks. Back then, Luongo was regarded as a superstar as he alone gave the Canucks a chance to win every night.

Flash forward to 2013, after the Canucks have made the playoffs every year except for one. After division titles and presidents trophies that apparently no one cares about. After Gillis played with his mind and made him captain then teared it off his jersey. After Luongo won a gold medal, the jennings trophy, and after taking us within one game of the stanley cup. The media and us fans wants to run him out of town. Remember, he didn't ask for a trade and only said he wouldn't mind being moved if it was best for the team. Yes later he said it was time to move on but at that time, he thought he had played his last game for the Canucks

Luongo did collapse against Chicago but at the end of the day, Luongo made the stop on Patrick sharp and we finally beat the black hawks. In the cup finals, our offence couldn't produce, yet we made it to the 7th game of the finals. Who do you think got us there, Luongo of course.

With all that history, Luongo now has to share playing time with Schneider and is now considered a back up. Schneider is very good but he's still an unproven starter that hasn't won many titles everywhere he's played. Schneider has been given the chance this year and clearly the last few games shows he's not ready yet. Stop with all the nonsense about playing into a rhythm, Cory has been a back up and has played very well with minimal games the last two years.

One thing i don't' understand is that Marty Brodeur still plays for the devils, Miller still plays for the Sabres, Cam Ward still plays for the hurricanes, and Fleury still plays for the penguins. These are all elite goaltenders that can and have had off years in their career. We have Luongo, why do we want to run the best goaltender we've had out of town?

One point many fans have forgotten in my opinion is that this is Luongo's team, the core guys developed through the years that Luongo has been here.

With the way the team is playing infront of Schneider and the way Cory has been playing (last year, he made every save look easy. He looked like he wasn't moving between post to post. This year he's flopping around and losing his post and angles) Its time to give Luongo the starting job and let him run with it.

Yes Luongo was ventilated in Detroit but he's had his shares of bad games. Its time the Canucks get off their 'Schnieds' and give Luongo one last stand to lead the team he's back stopped the last 7 years. The core group deserves one last chance to run with Luongo, a shot at the playoffs and the stanley cup.

Edited by 36yrsncounting, 11 March 2013 - 12:32 AM.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:51 PM

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The core has been giving 24 games this year and they have played like utter uninspired garbage all year long. Even when they were winning they were a disaster in their own zone and outplayed 80% of the time. It's time for an overhaul or else we turn into the flames
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:51 PM

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Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.

Edited by schneider, 10 March 2013 - 10:55 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:52 PM

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I agree with what you've said and have been saying it for a long long time. Luongo has really been treated very poorly by our organization and many fans. For a guy that single handedly took us out of the gutter. Now we gave up on him and we are on our way right back down. All summer long this board had him traded away for a bag of pucks and Schneider was our new Patrick Roy. Kassian was the next bertuzzi and Kesler was going to do something. I don't know what Kesler was going to do but I'm sure it could be more than what he did in the playoffs right... Oh wait he's injured. At the moment I'm not happy in the direction we are going.
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:53 PM

I was on the "trade Luongo, Schneider's awsome" wagon last season. This season I like our odds trading Schneider and keeping Luongo more though. Last season Schneider had no pressure, but when given 3-4 games in a row this season, you can see the un-experience in him. What happens if Luongo is gone come playoff time and Schneider is the only #1 and folds like a cheap wallet with no experience in the playoffs?
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:55 PM

This'll turn out well... not even going to go there.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:58 PM

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Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.

well to be honest no GOOD coach in thier right mind would allow a goalie to give up that many without giving them the hook
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:03 PM

well to be honest no GOOD coach in thier right mind would allow a goalie to give up that many without giving them the hook


I agree. But that doesn't exonerate Luongo.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:14 PM

Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.


Thank you for this. +1.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:16 PM

I was on the "trade Luongo, Schneider's awsome" wagon last season. This season I like our odds trading Schneider and keeping Luongo more though. Last season Schneider had no pressure, but when given 3-4 games in a row this season, you can see the un-experience in him. What happens if Luongo is gone come playoff time and Schneider is the only #1 and folds like a cheap wallet with no experience in the playoffs?


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:16 PM

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Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.


He could have had a GAA of 2 in the finals and we still would have lost.

Not "any goalie" would have gotten a team averaging 1.14 goals a game to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. People also say "any goalie" could have won the gold medal with the team Canada had at the olympics, if this was the case why did Brodeur (arguably the greatest goalie of all time) get the hook in favour of Luongo who then took it all the way to the gold?

Edited by Primus099, 10 March 2013 - 11:17 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:17 PM

our issues are not in goal.

I want Schnieder to stay because I think he is better, younger (fact), cheaper (fact) and he is stronger mentally (the difference between being very good and having the potential to be elite).

that being said, what this season is showing is, it doesn't matter which goalie is in net if we continue to play this way.

if trading schnieder means you get a guy like coutourier back and a pick well you have to consider it given our team and both short and long term holes.

however, just that deal won't be enough to fix this team, something needs to change in the back end, we also need more size up front that plays with emotion.

Effectively, this team doesn't need to be 'gutted' but its core needs to be changed. Its become stale, complacent, and lost its hunger.

So if the best deal get us more for schnieder to address those issues, along with a couple other trades you do it. but if it doesn't i dont see why you trade a higher value asset for cheap just bc you can't sell a lower value asset for much.

ie if I have a 2011 Porsche and a 2007 BMW, and my BMW is still damn good, alot of miles but hey its a BMW, reliable, good car, will go for alot more years but I want say 25k for it, and everyone is only offering me 15k because maybe it has a small dent in the door.

Well I say its just one small dent, this thing will still hum along for 7-9 years and you know you're getting a great car. But still, nope 15k.

Someone else comes to me and says well you can't sell your 2007 BMW so why don't you keep it, and sell me your 2011 Porsche for 55k, its more money and you still have a great car in the BMW. Well the Porsche is worth 100k so why would I sell it for 55k.

I am going to let someone rip me off on a high value asset because I can't sell a lower value asset for what I want for it?

No I say I'd rather lose 10k bc of the dent, than lose 45 k

thats my best analogy and think this firmly applies with Lou and Schnieds.

Edited by BuretoMogilny, 10 March 2013 - 11:18 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:17 PM

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Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.


How were we stacked as hell? Isn't the current team that is struggling practically the same team minus erhoff, salo, and manny?

we won 3 games in the stanley cup final series twice with 1-0 scores and the team scored a total of 8 goals in a seven game series. Without Luongo, it wouldn't even be close, Its so clear how can you not understand?
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:20 PM

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Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.


So what's your take on say... Kesler. Who did absolutely nothing for us in the playoffs.
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:24 PM

Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.


Our team was stacked? Then explain why we could only ever beat the buins by a single goal. Not to mention the disaster of our so called defence that's played in front of him lately.

Aside from game 6 vs Chicago in 2009, Lu is often the best player on the ice for us, even in a meltdown.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:26 PM

Goaltending isn't this team's problem. Their poor defensive play and lack of any special teams success is however, a huge problem.

You can moan and whine about how Luongo has been treated, but both guys can't stay forever. One of them will have to go, and based on contract alone, it should be Lou.

He's a great goalie, one of the best in many ways, but he's had more than enough chances in the playoffs with this team.

Again, if the Canucks can manage to get their game back on track in time to make the playoffs, I am confident Schneider will play competently in the post season. He played extremely well against the Kings in round 1 last season, and posted excellent numbers.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:30 PM

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Our team was stacked? Then explain why we could only ever beat the buins by a single goal. Not to mention the disaster of our so called defence that's played in front of him lately.

Aside from game 6 vs Chicago in 2009, Lu is often the best player on the ice for us, even in a meltdown.


Lou wasn't exactly lights out in 2010 either man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQNIRBcpPls

Also, that series in 2011 shouldn't have gone 7 games either. If the Canucks had lost that game, Lou would have been long gone.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:30 PM

Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.


how much more was our team stacked in the 2011 playoffs? Ehrhoff, Torres, Salo and that made our team so stacked? lol ok
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:30 PM

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How were we stacked as hell? Isn't the current team that is struggling practically the same team minus erhoff, salo, and manny?

we won 3 games in the stanley cup final series twice with 1-0 scores and the team scored a total of 8 goals in a seven game series. Without Luongo, it wouldn't even be close, Its so clear how can you not understand?


Wtf? Minus ehrhoff, salo, torres, malhotra, kesler, Hodgson, and recently Bieksa.

What are you even talking about? Are you saying Ehrhoff, Salo, Hodgson, Torres etc don't matter? Not to mention kesler missing almost all our games, and bieksa being out the last few. Jesus, somebody get this kid a bib before he drools all over himself


@BUREV "Our team was stacked? Then explain why we could only ever beat the buins by a single goal. Not to mention the disaster of our so called defence that's played in front of him lately."

Oh right I forgot how when your team is stacked, it means every other team in the NHL is complete garbage, and different types of playstyle, injuries, and garbage goaltending don't mean anything.

Oospies, you got me.


"Aside from game 6 vs Chicago in 2009, Lu is often the best player on the ice for us, even in a meltdown"

This is such a mindblowingly stupid comment I actually don't even know what to say. Even in a meltdown, he is often the best player? What? Go read this back to yourself, then stare at yourself in the mirror for a good 20 minutes or so. Holy christ, bro, are you stupid.


Also to do with the goal average comment, it's an intangible, but when your goalie lets in 4 goals in the first period or 8 goals or what have you, the team isn't exactly motivated to go score a ton of goals. They're basically out of the game at that point, especially if it's the Bruins, who are obviously a great team getting that far. So that drops the goal average drastically from what it would be if Luongo at least held us in a hockey game every time.

Edited by schneider, 10 March 2013 - 11:40 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:31 PM

Also, that series in 2011 shouldn't have gone 7 games either. If the Canucks had lost that game, Lou would have been long gone.


alot of people would have been gone if we lost that one

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:31 PM

our issues are not in goal.

I want Schnieder to stay because I think he is better, younger (fact), cheaper (fact) and he is stronger mentally (the difference between being very good and having the potential to be elite).

that being said, what this season is showing is, it doesn't matter which goalie is in net if we continue to play this way.

if trading schnieder means you get a guy like coutourier back and a pick well you have to consider it given our team and both short and long term holes.

however, just that deal won't be enough to fix this team, something needs to change in the back end, we also need more size up front that plays with emotion.

Effectively, this team doesn't need to be 'gutted' but its core needs to be changed. Its become stale, complacent, and lost its hunger.

So if the best deal get us more for schnieder to address those issues, along with a couple other trades you do it. but if it doesn't i dont see why you trade a higher value asset for cheap just bc you can't sell a lower value asset for much.

ie if I have a 2011 Porsche and a 2007 BMW, and my BMW is still damn good, alot of miles but hey its a BMW, reliable, good car, will go for alot more years but I want say 25k for it, and everyone is only offering me 15k because maybe it has a small dent in the door.

Well I say its just one small dent, this thing will still hum along for 7-9 years and you know you're getting a great car. But still, nope 15k.

Someone else comes to me and says well you can't sell your 2007 BMW so why don't you keep it, and sell me your 2011 Porsche for 55k, its more money and you still have a great car in the BMW. Well the Porsche is worth 100k so why would I sell it for 55k.

I am going to let someone rip me off on a high value asset because I can't sell a lower value asset for what I want for it?

No I say I'd rather lose 10k bc of the dent, than lose 45 k

thats my best analogy and think this firmly applies with Lou and Schnieds.


no doubt schneider is a very good goalie but he hasn't really proven himself as a starter let alone 'elite'. To say he's simply better based on his numbers of games is a very risky judgement. Mentally, he may handle interviews better, but look at his play this year. He's not handling the current situation very well. Is it because of the goalie controversy or the fact that he's a starter?

Honestly, I believe you would get a much better price for your 2011 porsche unless it was bought from the states.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:32 PM

Schneider is younger yes possibily better in the future.. but no he's not really cheaper and will not be cheaper long term.. assuming he does go on to be great.. he's going to be demanding 6.5mil+ and we won't have the luxury of having a smaller cap with a longer term deal.. so no he's not really cheaper.. and right now at 4mil.. it's overpriced too..
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:33 PM

Luongo at one point lost his job in the first round after he collapsed when we went up 3-0 only to look not half bad vs one of the worst offensive teams in Nashville.. we couldve had Peter Skudra in net vs Nashville and a beat up and tired Sharks team and still wouldve won those series easily.. then comes to the finals.. all 3 games canucks won our boys kept socring chances down cleared all rebounds and played great infront of Luongo ... all 3 wins Canucks out hit,out shot and out played boston on every inch of the ice ... boston was in everyone of those games because Tim Thomas kept them in it..... what happend when Boston out played Vancouver? did we have a goalie that had our back to bail us out? not even close...

Think about this.... Schneider didnt beat out the best goalie in the world for the starting job....Luongo came to vancouver touted as the best goalie in the world..then he was in the top 3 talk.. then it slipped to top 5 ....our first pres trophy season neither of Luongo's GAA or save % were even in the top 5 anymore....Schneider has simply won the job by doing just aswell of a job as Luongo for cheaper.. and Schnieder hasnt peaked ... Luongo is by no means on a sharp decline, but we have seen the best out of him....

If Luongo is as good as alot of these people say or think he is , then why hasnt there been a trade already? if hes so great his contract shouldnt be an issue.... with all these teams with goalie troubles ... If Luongo infact took a team that was "in the gutter befor he came here" and put them on his back and braught them to game 7 of the SCF...there would be a bidding war for him and we would get a kings ransom for him.... and that just flat out isnt happening.... so either the rest of the hockey world knows less than half the Canucks fans..(not probable) or they know hes not the answer and not worth his pay and hes not a top 5 goalie anymore.(probable)

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:35 PM

Lou wasn't exactly lights out in 2010 either man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQNIRBcpPls

Also, that series in 2011 shouldn't have gone 7 games either. If the Canucks had lost that game, Lou would have been long gone.


well Schneider didn't exactly get it done in the series in game 6 now eh? so it wasn't exactly Luongo that dragged the series into game 7 when he didn't even have a chance to play in game 6
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:38 PM

Lou wasn't exactly lights out in 2010 either man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQNIRBcpPls

Also, that series in 2011 shouldn't have gone 7 games either. If the Canucks had lost that game, Lou would have been long gone.


No, but who was good for us in that series? Barely anyone.

And of course he would have been gone if we lost that game, almost everyone would have. But blaming the collapse on the goalie is pathetic. The whole team played terribly in those games. Stop using scapegoats.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:43 PM

Luongo at one point lost his job in the first round after he collapsed when we went up 3-0 only to look not half bad vs one of the worst offensive teams in Nashville.. we couldve had Peter Skudra in net vs Nashville and a beat up and tired Sharks team and still wouldve won those series easily.. then comes to the finals.. all 3 games canucks won our boys kept socring chances down cleared all rebounds and played great infront of Luongo ... all 3 wins Canucks out hit,out shot and out played boston on every inch of the ice ... boston was in everyone of those games because Tim Thomas kept them in it..... what happend when Boston out played Vancouver? did we have a goalie that had our back to bail us out? not even close...

Think about this.... Schneider didnt beat out the best goalie in the world for the starting job....Luongo came to vancouver touted as the best goalie in the world..then he was in the top 3 talk.. then it slipped to top 5 ....our first pres trophy season neither of Luongo's GAA or save % were even in the top 10 anymore....Schneider has simply won the job by doing just aswell of a job as Luongo for cheaper.. and Schnieder hasnt peaked ... Luongo is by no means on a sharp decline, but we have seen the best out of him....

If Luongo is as good as alot of these people say or think he is , then why hasnt there been a trade already? if hes so great his contract shouldnt be an issue.... with all these teams with goalie troubles ... If Luongo infact took a team that was "in the gutter befor he came here" and put them on his back and braught them to game 7 of the SCF...there would be a bidding war for him and we would get a kings ransom for him.... and that just flat out isnt happening.... so either the rest of the hockey world knows less than half the Canucks fans..(not probable) or they know hes not the answer and not worth his pay and hes not a top 5 goalie anymore.(probable)


so you have a crystal ball and predict Luongo guaranteed lose game 6 if he started? retards here keeps bringing back we were up 3-0 in the series and it went to game 7.. well Luongo only started 6 games so technically he was 4-2 in the series.. i would hardly say he choked going up 3-0.. you can say all u want about the SCF at least he got us close with a chance to win it.. game 3 4 6 was terrible.. game 7 the whole team decided to sleep in.. you can say he's not a top 5 goalie.. nor is his cap top 5 in terms of goalie so what's your point? Luongo signed that long term deal also to help the Canucks.. i'm sure he woulda made the same amount of money if he was to sign a shorter term with a much higher cap hit.. but that would also handicap the canucks in terms of getting another player or 2 to make a run.. i can really care less which goalie we end up keeping now.. coz it's looking more and more like we'll be blowing up the team in a year or 2.. so whatever.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:44 PM

no doubt schneider is a very good goalie but he hasn't really proven himself as a starter let alone 'elite'. To say he's simply better based on his numbers of games is a very risky judgement. Mentally, he may handle interviews better, but look at his play this year. He's not handling the current situation very well. Is it because of the goalie controversy or the fact that he's a starter?

Honestly, I believe you would get a much better price for your 2011 porsche unless it was bought from the states.


I've been disappointed with Schneider to be honest because I expected more out of him so far. But the thing is, with Schneider he's only ever had that one meltdown game against anaheim, and that was the first game of the season, with no preseason.

That isn't to say he definitely won't have more, but at this point I'd rather take Schneider playing average over Luongo, where you never know what you'll get. If Luongo is in net, you could be out of the game in the first 5 minutes, but Schneider plays at least average most of the time, which at least gives the team a chance. With that said though, Luongo not being starter anymore seems to have taken a lot of the pressure off of him and he's playing a lot better, (apart from detroit, but admittedly the whole team and defence were horrendous there, I don't think it was entirely his fault) but there's no chance we keep him at this point anyway, and if we do, he's starter again, and the meltdowns will probably come back.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:47 PM

I have been a Canuck fan for 37 years and for years I lived with mediorce goaltending and dreams of the Canucks playing for the stanley cup. Back in 2006/7, along comes Luongo and wow, singlehandly pushed our team into the playoffs and was a rock in the Dallas playoff series especially in one of the longest playoff game ever to involve the Canucks. Back then, Luongo was regarded as a superstar as he alone gave the Canucks a chance to win every night.

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What is it with Luongo groupies and the notion that "he alone" "singlehandedly" got us into the playoffs?

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:47 PM

Putting 7uongo in net at this point is asking to lose. He's washed up. Might get a couple good games in during the regular season but he's been abysmal almost every other game. Starting him in the playoffs is basically surrendering.

Schneider is the starter now, Ro8erto is actively being shopped and is gone by draft day. Get over it.
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