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Luongo and the last stand

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I was on the "trade Luongo, Schneider's awsome" wagon last season. This season I like our odds trading Schneider and keeping Luongo more though. Last season Schneider had no pressure, but when given 3-4 games in a row this season, you can see the un-experience in him. What happens if Luongo is gone come playoff time and Schneider is the only #1 and folds like a cheap wallet with no experience in the playoffs?

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This'll turn out well... not even going to go there.

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well to be honest no GOOD coach in thier right mind would allow a goalie to give up that many without giving them the hook

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Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.

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I was on the "trade Luongo, Schneider's awsome" wagon last season. This season I like our odds trading Schneider and keeping Luongo more though. Last season Schneider had no pressure, but when given 3-4 games in a row this season, you can see the un-experience in him. What happens if Luongo is gone come playoff time and Schneider is the only #1 and folds like a cheap wallet with no experience in the playoffs?

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our issues are not in goal.

I want Schnieder to stay because I think he is better, younger (fact), cheaper (fact) and he is stronger mentally (the difference between being very good and having the potential to be elite).

that being said, what this season is showing is, it doesn't matter which goalie is in net if we continue to play this way.

if trading schnieder means you get a guy like coutourier back and a pick well you have to consider it given our team and both short and long term holes.

however, just that deal won't be enough to fix this team, something needs to change in the back end, we also need more size up front that plays with emotion.

Effectively, this team doesn't need to be 'gutted' but its core needs to be changed. Its become stale, complacent, and lost its hunger.

So if the best deal get us more for schnieder to address those issues, along with a couple other trades you do it. but if it doesn't i dont see why you trade a higher value asset for cheap just bc you can't sell a lower value asset for much.

ie if I have a 2011 Porsche and a 2007 BMW, and my BMW is still damn good, alot of miles but hey its a BMW, reliable, good car, will go for alot more years but I want say 25k for it, and everyone is only offering me 15k because maybe it has a small dent in the door.

Well I say its just one small dent, this thing will still hum along for 7-9 years and you know you're getting a great car. But still, nope 15k.

Someone else comes to me and says well you can't sell your 2007 BMW so why don't you keep it, and sell me your 2011 Porsche for 55k, its more money and you still have a great car in the BMW. Well the Porsche is worth 100k so why would I sell it for 55k.

I am going to let someone rip me off on a high value asset because I can't sell a lower value asset for what I want for it?

No I say I'd rather lose 10k bc of the dent, than lose 45 k

thats my best analogy and think this firmly applies with Lou and Schnieds.

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Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.

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Goaltending isn't this team's problem. Their poor defensive play and lack of any special teams success is however, a huge problem.

You can moan and whine about how Luongo has been treated, but both guys can't stay forever. One of them will have to go, and based on contract alone, it should be Lou.

He's a great goalie, one of the best in many ways, but he's had more than enough chances in the playoffs with this team.

Again, if the Canucks can manage to get their game back on track in time to make the playoffs, I am confident Schneider will play competently in the post season. He played extremely well against the Kings in round 1 last season, and posted excellent numbers.

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Marty and the like don't constantly have meltdowns in games, and let in 8 goals in the stanley cup finals, and do this multiple times in every playoff run.

This is so simple, how can you not understand? Whether or not you want Luongo gone, you must be able to understand the reason many people do. Stop acting like it makes no sense.

edit : also pretty tired of this "He took us to the SCF game 7" BS. our team was stacked as hell then. If we didn't make it really deep or win the cup, then it's a disappointment, and it was.

He did the absolute furthest thing from putting the team on his back. He just managed to keep the number of meltdowns in net to a sustainable number to get us deep in the playoffs. (until the finals at least). that isn't even remotely the same as "him getting us to the stanley cup finals". almost any goalie would have "gotten us there" as well, with the team we had then.

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