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#61 37yrsncounting

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:18 AM

@Downundacanuck, did you not read the topic post? Obviously the marty comparison is my response to his own marty comparison... jesus...

You're saying that he had 2 shutouts in the playoffs, so therefore that negates his multiple meltdown games where he played like absolute garbage? That is exactly what I'm takling about, he is very INCONSISTENT. That is my response to the OP's post saying "NJ DOESN'T SELL OUT MARTY ETC", I'm saying he is incosistent as HELL, and that is the reason many people, including myself, want him out. That was my response to the OP, I was saying "Regardless of whether you want him or not, how can you not understand why people want him out"

You're talking about our goals total again, and let me point out yet again, that when a goalie lets in 4 soft goals to start out a game, or 8 goals, or what have you, the motivation to score is now gone, because the team is out of the game at that point. But even regardless of that, I never said that he lost the boston series for us. If he hadn't played like trash in many of the games, then we certainly would have won, there's no doubt. But never did I say it was 100% his fault.


Last year in the Stanley cup finals, Brodeur lets in 3 goals in the 1st period and lost 6-1 in a must win game 6 and also lost another game by a score of 4-0, if you decide to check out his stats in the cup finals, you will see that his save percentage in those games was similar to Luongo's 8 goal performance in Boston.

In the 2009 playoffs, the devils had a 3-2 lead with over a minute left in the 7th game against the hurricanes, Brodeur got scored on twice to lose the game and series.

All Im trying to point out is that every goalie will have let downs and melt downs during their career, it doesn't necessary have to be 8 goals allowed or 4 goals in the first. AV could have pulled Luongo after 3 goals and that would have been that.

Patrick Roy melted down in Detroit in a regular season game and allowed 9 goals, after that he was traded to Colorado and won another cup.

You could say the team lacked motivation to score because Luongo let in this and that but put the shoe on the other foot, think of the stress and pressure that the team puts Luongo through knowing that he almost had to be perfect to win a game cause the team infront of him wasn't scoring goals.

Dont get me wrong, Im not disagreeing that Luongo played poorly in those games in Boston or in Chicago but does that mean we have to run him out of town? Do you think another goalie will have done better given the pressure cooker atmosphere here.

The last real starting goaltender here was Dan cloutier and we all saw how he did against Detroit when we had a 2 game to 0 lead against them. It was just one goal from center ice, one goal that turned the whole series around and for that goal he was never the same again.

Honestly, in my opinion, Schneider is not a better option than Luongo at the moment. Schneider has been great as a backup but he hasnt proven anything yet as a starter in the NHL In a shortened season and with the team floundering and Schneider struggling, give Luongo one more shot to take his team to the playoffs. There is always next year for Schneider.

Edited by 36yrsncounting, 11 March 2013 - 07:31 AM.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:31 AM

Last year in the Stanley cup finals, Brodeur let in 3 goals in the 1st period and lost 6-1 in a must win game 6 and also lost another game by a score of 4-0, if you decide to check out his stats in the cup finals, you will see that his save percentage was similar to Luongo's 8 goal performance in Boston.

In the 2009 playoffs, the devils had a 3-2 lead with over a minute left in the 7th game against the hurricanes, Brodeur got scored on twice to lose the game and series.

All Im trying to point out is that every goalie will have let downs and melt downs during their career, it doesn't necessary have to be 8 goals allowed or 4 goals in the first. AV could have pulled Luongo after 3 goals and that would have been that.

Patrick Roy melted down in Detroit in a regular season game and allowed 9 goals, after that he was traded to Colorado and won another cup.

You could say the team lacked motivation to score because Luongo let in this and that but put the shoe on the other foot, think of the stress and pressure that the team puts Luongo through knowing that he almost had to be perfect to win a game cause the team infront of him wasn't scoring goals.

Dont get me wrong, Im not disagreeing that Luongo played poorly in those games in Boston or in Chicago but does that mean we have to run him out of town? Do you think another goalie will have done better given the pressure cooker atmosphere here.

The last real starting goaltender here was Dan cloutier and we all saw how he did against Detroit when we had a 2 game to 0 lead against them. It was just one goal from center ice, one goal that turned the whole series around and for that goal he was never the same again.

Honestly what makes you think Schneider is a better goalie than Luongo at the moment. Schneider has been great as a backup but he hasnt proven anything yet as a starter in the NHL In a shortened season and with the team floundering and Schneider struggling, give Luongo one more shot to take his team to the playoffs. There is always next year for Schneider.


Brodeur and Roy have multiple cup rings and Conn Smythe trophies. Luongo has a big fat zero. Luongo also has one finals appearance and the other two have had multiple. At times you need your goalie to play at an elite level and sometimes Luongo has completely failed to handle the task. Are the meltdowns totally his fault? No, but his play doesn't help.

Do agree about Schneider being unproven and most inexperienced players will go through a "growing pains" phase, but Schneider isn't a young goalie anymore, he's turning 28 this month. Schneider has spent 3 years in the AHL and 2 as Luongo's backup. I highly doubt Schneider signed with us again just to be Luongo's backup for another year again. You either trade Luongo or Schneider at this point because both want the #1 job, the only question is who goes.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:11 AM

Brodeur and Roy have multiple cup rings and Conn Smythe trophies. Luongo has a big fat zero. Luongo also has one finals appearance and the other two have had multiple.


It's a team game Sherlock. Put luongo on those teams and he wins the same amount of cups. Don't kid your self. Luongo is an ELITE game changer
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:59 AM

Lou wasn't exactly lights out in 2010 either man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQNIRBcpPls

Also, that series in 2011 shouldn't have gone 7 games either. If the Canucks had lost that game, Lou would have been long gone.


So where is the video of all the goals that Luongo stopped during that series? (shaking my head) Anyone can come up with a video of all the goals Lundqvist, Quick, Thomas, Crawford let in. But that does not mean anything. How many saves they had is more important.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:40 AM

I have been a Canuck fan for 37 years and for years I lived with mediorce goaltending and dreams of the Canucks playing for the stanley cup. Back in 2006/7, along comes Luongo and wow, singlehandly pushed our team into the playoffs and was a rock in the Dallas playoff series especially in one of the longest playoff game ever to involve the Canucks. Back then, Luongo was regarded as a superstar as he alone gave the Canucks a chance to win every night.

Flash forward to 2013, after the Canucks have made the playoffs every year except for one. After division titles and presidents trophies that apparently no one cares about. After Gillis played with his mind and made him captain then teared it off his jersey. After Luongo won a gold medal, the jennings trophy, and after taking us within one game of the stanley cup. The media and us fans wants to run him out of town. Remember, he didn't ask for a trade and only said he wouldn't mind being moved if it was best for the team. Yes later he said it was time to move on but at that time, he thought he had played his last game for the Canucks

Luongo did collapse against Chicago but at the end of the day, Luongo made the stop on Patrick sharp and we finally beat the black hawks. In the cup finals, our offence couldn't produce, yet we made it to the 7th game of the finals. Who do you think got us there, Luongo of course.

With all that history, Luongo now has to share playing time with Schneider and is now considered a back up. Schneider is very good but he's still an unproven starter that hasn't won many titles everywhere he's played. Schneider has been given the chance this year and clearly the last few games shows he's not ready yet. Stop with all the nonsense about playing into a rhythm, Cory has been a back up and has played very well with minimal games the last two years.

One thing i don't' understand is that Marty Brodeur still plays for the devils, Miller still plays for the Sabres, Cam Ward still plays for the hurricanes, and Fleury still plays for the penguins. These are all elite goaltenders that can and have had off years in their career. We have Luongo, why do we want to run the best goaltender we've had out of town?

One point many fans have forgotten in my opinion is that this is Luongo's team, the core guys developed through the years that Luongo has been here.

With the way the team is playing infront of Schneider and the way Cory has been playing (last year, he made every save look easy. He looked like he wasn't moving between post to post. This year he's flopping around and losing his post and angles) Its time to give Luongo the starting job and let him run with it.

Yes Luongo was ventilated in Detroit but he's had his shares of bad games. Its time the Canucks get off their 'Schnieds' and give Luongo one last stand to lead the team he's back stopped the last 7 years. The core group deserves one last chance to run with Luongo, a shot at the playoffs and the stanley cup.


Big difference, they've won cups
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:08 AM

If the team showed up for game 7, Luongo would have been the MVP. Perspective.


No, Thomas would have still been the MVP win or lose. Much like Giguere did in 2003. Thomas (as much as I hate him) carried his team and was the single greatest reason his team won. He set a record for saves in a playoff final round that may never be broken

Lu, Kesler or whomever wouldn't have come close.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:10 AM

"Think about it this way dude. if Luongo was consistent only allowing 2 or 1 goals in the 7 games, we probably only would have 1 game tops. "

What the hell does this sentence mean? Maybe if luongo didn't play like trash, he wouldn't be trash? Maybe we would have won the cup? No joke..

Seriously fix your grammar or sentence structure because I read your 2nd paragraph five times and I still can't understand what the hell you're talking about. He had to let in under 4 goals? What a task! Truly insurmountable for a so called "elite" goaltender. Seriously what on earth are you talking about? Before you cite our goals average too, go back to my first post, when your goalie lets in 4 goals in a period or what have you, the forwards aren't exactly motivated to go score a ton of goals because they're basically out of the game at that point, so that brings the goal average down quite a bit.


I suspect your reading comprehension needs a but of work... or a lot... But I'm convinced your anger management skills are at an all time low.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:12 AM

Putting 7uongo in net at this point is asking to lose. He's washed up. Might get a couple good games in during the regular season but he's been abysmal almost every other game. Starting him in the playoffs is basically surrendering.

Schneider is the starter now, Ro8erto is actively being shopped and is gone by draft day. Get over it.

These are the idiots you are talking about in the post, OP?

Our own fans turning on the franchises best goaltender. THIS - is why Canuck -fans are laughed at day in and day out!

Damn this idiotic behavior pisses me off!
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:52 AM

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:58 AM

Here is an article for those who only see Luongo as the problem.

Over the last 12 playoff games, Luongo has a 3-6 record and Schneider has 1-2 record.

Both times the Canucks scored more than two goals, once in regulation against the Kings and once in overtime against the Bruins, the team won.

The other two wins came in 1-0 games in the Stanley Cup final, when Luongo held the fort and pitched a shutout to steal games the Canucks didn't deserve to win.

Maybe Luongo has to be traded so the Canucks can have a better chance at the Stanley Cup. But that will be because they need to move an asset in goal to upgrade the skaters, not because the problem was in goal in the first place.

And if GM Mike Gillis doesn't fix the scoring problems, it doesn't matter how Schneider plays compared to Luongo, because the team won't win in the playoffs.


The whole article here:
http://bleacherrepor...in-the-playoffs
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:59 AM

Luongo has done noteably worse than Schneider recently. Or did your forget his bellyflopping against Calgary and Detroit?


Right...when Schnieder does it, you Schneider fan boys say "that was the only way he had a chance to make a save"...

How many losses in a row for Schneider? His last 3.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:08 PM

Right...when Schnieder does it, you Schneider fan boys say "that was the only way he had a chance to make a save"...

How many losses in a row for Schneider? His last 3.


You can't want people to stop blaming Lu and blame Schneider in the same breath. I see what you are trying to do, (hold up a mirror to them, this is what you said in the playoffs etc) but it just makes you look like a hypocrite instead.

If you want fans to support the team as a whole, you need to lead by example and that also includes Schneider, like it or not.
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I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:13 PM

Because Tim Thomas was too goddamn good, that's why.


Even Tampa found a way to get through to him. Maybe if we learned by watching what Tampa did we would have been fine. Thomas wasn't a brick wall. His play style had some big weaknesses that only a few teams actually bothered figuring out.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:18 PM

You can't want people to stop blaming Lu and blame Schneider in the same breath. I see what you are trying to do, (hold up a mirror to them, this is what you said in the playoffs etc) but it just makes you look like a hypocrite instead.

If you want fans to support the team as a whole, you need to lead by example and that also includes Schneider, like it or not.


How am I being a hypocrite? I don't believe either one has played well recently.

The real issue, and have been for a long time, is lack of scoring..Luongo 2.19 GAA and Schneider 2.67.
That means the team needs to score 3 goals a night. Even Schneider said their (him and Luongo's) goal is to not allow more than 2 in a game.
Yet the Canucks are scoring only 2.75 per game.

For the first time in a really long time, as of today, we have scored less than we have let in.
Has got to be before Luongo even came here that the Canucks were in that position after at least 20 games played...
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:18 PM

Even Tampa found a way to get through to him. Maybe if we learned by watching what Tampa did we would have been fine. Thomas wasn't a brick wall. His play style had some big weaknesses that only a few teams actually bothered figuring out.


Not only Tampa, lets not forget Montreal.. they were a goal away in OT and Boston would have been done like dinner.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:28 PM

Not only Tampa, lets not forget Montreal.. they were a goal away in OT and Boston would have been done like dinner.


Yep. Even the smallest team in the league was able to get by Thomas and his defence more than us.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:54 PM

It's a team game Sherlock. Put luongo on those teams and he wins the same amount of cups. Don't kid your self. Luongo is an ELITE game changer


...and right on cue, in the same thread where somebody is touting Lou for "singlehandedly" doing everything when he played well is the "team game" response when somebody points out his (many) playoff meltdowns. Lou is a very good goalie but he has never won a single INDIVIDUAL award in his long NHL career. Good but not great.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:14 PM

...and right on cue, in the same thread where somebody is touting Lou for "singlehandedly" doing everything when he played well is the "team game" response when somebody points out his (many) playoff meltdowns. Lou is a very good goalie but he has never won a single INDIVIDUAL award in his long NHL career. Good but not great.


I guess Tony Espositto, Ron Hextal and Eddie Belfour (among others) were just "good" goalies.
Luongo still has many years left, Hasek didn't win a cup until the end of his...
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

I guess Tony Espositto, Ron Hextal and Eddie Belfour (among others) were just "good" goalies.
Luongo still has many years left, Hasek didn't win a cup until the end of his...


Hmm, let's see, Tony O won a Cup and is in the HHOF (a place where Lou will forever have to pay admittance to enter), Eddie the eagle did the same and Ron Hextall has a Cup AND a Conn Smythe. Lou isn't anywhere near in their league at all.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:28 PM

...and right on cue, in the same thread where somebody is touting Lou for "singlehandedly" doing everything when he played well is the "team game" response when somebody points out his (many) playoff meltdowns. Lou is a very good goalie but he has never won a single INDIVIDUAL award in his long NHL career. Good but not great.


true but then hockey is a team game, there is no true individual awards cause every awards require interactions with other players to win them. The hart trophies requires a player to make others better. The art ross requires the player to accumulate points with other players on the team. The selke requires the other players on the ice to also be defensively responsible. The goalie trophies requires the goalies to play well but without a sound team infront of them, the goalies can only go so far.

When I used 'singlehandedly', I was referring to the early years where Luongo was the elite player on our team. I do believe many will agree that it was really the addition of Luongo that really pushed us into elite team territory. But then, many here don't and believe life is about what you have done for me lately. Thats fine too, we can agree to disagree.

Edited by 36yrsncounting, 11 March 2013 - 01:30 PM.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:38 PM

The defense has been the main issue throughout Luongo's time here. If Luongo had a true elite defenseman anchoring the blueline, the outcome against Boston would have been different. However Gillis has tried to sell the idea of defense by committee to the team. It doesn't work at all. The defense allowed the Bruins to take over the crease and never made them pay for it. Yes there were injuries and the officiating was crap, but in the end it was the failing of the defense to keep the crease clear, and the failing of the forwards to find different ways to score, and lastly the failing of Vigneault to make any or all of this happen

The defense has some bright spots, mainly Hamhuis and Bieksa (when they are on) but the glaring hole is named Alex Edler.

To some on this site he is the saviour that will take the Canucks deep into the post-season. I think it's pretty obvious now that he isn't a stud defenseman, moreso a dud. He has offensive production, but in his own zone he is feeble and stunned. For all the points he generates, when he does, his constant weak play in his own end shows his true worth........ as trade bait.

Luongo has been a epoch here. He has allowed the Canucks to enter the realm of being a contender. The fact that so many on these boards believe he is a sieve and should be traded speaks to the singlemindedness of the fanbase here. Other teams would love to have our problems. What do we do? Complain. Cheer when Luongo is pulled last year. Fans like this are a cancer in sports.

To all of those who want Luongo gone I pose a question. Where would this team be if he was never traded to Vancouver? Do you really think we would be a contender?

Edited by Canuck-a-nuck, 11 March 2013 - 01:48 PM.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:43 PM

Hmm, let's see, Tony O won a Cup and is in the HHOF (a place where Lou will forever have to pay admittance to enter), Eddie the eagle did the same and Ron Hextall has a Cup AND a Conn Smythe. Lou isn't anywhere near in their league at all.


Oops! I keep getting Eddie and Curtis Joseph mixed up! I meant Curtis.

Okay, Tony Esposito's name is on the cup - but he only played in the regular season - not on playoff game. In other words, he didn't help his team win it.
When did Hextall win?
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:47 PM

Well Luongo is starting tomorrow, no surprise
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:48 PM

Many here in this forum still bash Luongo about his meltdowns and the fact that he doesn't have a stanley cup or mvp to his resume. Thats all good, I agree with some of that. What Im trying to point out if its not Lou, whos a better alternative available to the Canucks at the moment? Schneider isn't exactly inspiring confidence and its not a sure thing that his play will improve once we run Luongo out of town. Then what? If Schneider doesn't pan out then can we live with mediorce goaltending again? At least Luongo allows us to consistenly field a team that has a chance at the cup. We may seriously be looking at a downgrade in goal after Luongo leaves, then what are we looking for? A team that consistently has a chance at a playoff spot? Bash Luongo all you want but it almost sounds like some of you rather have Dan Cloutier in net instead of a multiple vezina finalist who played in one of the most important hockey game in our country's history as the starting goaltender and a winning one at that.

Grass is always greener on the other side. Ive been a fan for a long time, we've never been able to develop a star goalie let alone a very good one. We've always had to trade for our starting goaltenders, Maclean, Cloutier, Luongo. Not saying Schneider won't become an elite goaltender in the future but when some of you point out that Luongo hasn't won anything, you have to remember Schneider hasn't either.

Schnieder has been given plenty of chances the last few games to run with this team, but he's struggling. Our team is at the tail end of our so call window, so why not run with Lou and give it one last shot with this group. Quite sure Lou won't be back next year.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:52 PM

well to be honest no GOOD coach in thier right mind would allow a goalie to give up that many without giving them the hook

Schneider was sick that game and I'm assuming thats why Luongo didn't get pulled.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:46 PM

It's a team game Sherlock. Put luongo on those teams and he wins the same amount of cups. Don't kid your self. Luongo is an ELITE game changer


Where is he hiding his cup rings?
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#87 Riviera82

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:56 PM

Even Tampa found a way to get through to him. Maybe if we learned by watching what Tampa did we would have been fine. Thomas wasn't a brick wall. His play style had some big weaknesses that only a few teams actually bothered figuring out.


Even Tampa? Tampa had/has some very good shooters. Even though Thomas was scored on a bunch of times in that round, none of the games were ever allowed to get out of hand. Plus he had 2 shutouts in that series which is a popular defense for Luongo around here. If Dwayne Roloson was Luongo's opposition in the SCF we probably dont lose.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:05 PM

I suspect your reading comprehension needs a but of work... or a lot... But I'm convinced your anger management skills are at an all time low.


Hahahah nice response man, gosh I sure got told!


@36yrsncounting again, yes but it's beyond obvious that Brodeur and the like don't have neeeaarrly as many games as luongo where they play horribly and let in bags of goals.

Luongo is the definition of inconsistent. That's all I'm saying. That is why many people want him out. Because he currently defines inconsistency, and a lot of the time defines choking as well. Brodeur and company do not.

Edited by schneider, 11 March 2013 - 03:07 PM.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:27 PM

The question is, when the team is playing absolutely terrible like they are now, who is better Luongo or Schneider? I feel that Luongo sometimes have those "god mode" games and will steal a few games for us no matter how badly we play. 40 shots on goal against? No problem still a shut out b/c it's god mode "Great Saves Luongo!!!" night. Schneider is a more consistent goalie however he doesn't really have those "god mode" games.

We hasn't lose 4 straight games for how many years now?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:30 PM

Right...when Schnieder does it, you Schneider fan boys say "that was the only way he had a chance to make a save"...

How many losses in a row for Schneider? His last 3.


Let's review their last 4 games, shall we?

Schneider:
L, .875 save %, bad game.
OTL, .926 save %, great game
OTL, .933 save %, 28 stops, great game
W, .933 save %, 28 stops, great game
4 points.

7uongo:
L, Bellyflopping vs Calgary, .875 save %
L, Bellyflopping vs Detroit, .714 save %, lost the game. 8 GA, Ro8erto is washed up.
W, Easy SO, Nashville didn't even have a good scoring change.
OTL, Bellyflopping vs the Blues, .870 save %
3 points.

7ungo just bellyflops his way to losses every game, but 7uongo dick riders just love the taste of his chicken so they don't care if he loses the team every game he starts.

7ungo is WASHED UP.

LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! :towel: :towel: :towel: :towel: :towel: :towel: :towel: :towel:
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