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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:23 PM

I can make a two minute long montage of all the goals and defensive breakdowns this team has allowed over the last 8 or so games. It's absolutely disgusting


I'd actually like to see that but I bet the footage is longer....

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

Wow, sorry for having an a opinion. Didn't think wanting someone to play better was a bad thing.

Blaming D for the losses is not an argument that can be used considering we "Lu lovers" used it first and it was rejected. LOL....... :bigblush:

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:28 PM

Obviously, AV's consecutively starting Cory to test whether he is capable of becoming a star. So far, he has not been too impressive. More time will prove his potentials. If he fails our expectations, we would have to trade him to another team that can accept him as a No.1 goalie.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:29 PM

I'd actually like to see that but I bet the footage is longer....

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I don't have the video making skills anyway but if I could, I would B)

Two of the goals I recall from last night. A Wild PP goal. Both the wingers were guarding the same point and left the other point man wide open. Two seconds later the puck ends up in the net.

And then Zucker, I think, all alone in the slot because nobody tied him up. Easy tap in.

*sigh.. basic defensive coverage..
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:55 PM

Wow, sorry for having an a opinion. Didn't think wanting someone to play better was a bad thing.

Blaming D for the losses is not an argument that can be used considering we "Lu lovers" used it first and it was rejected. LOL....... :bigblush:


For the two posters that didn't think this was a troll topic, think again. I think the above statement shows it.

For any self professed Lou fan to come out and ask why Cory is being defended when in fact he's not.. is trolling. Everyone knows Cory as well he could be playing better but Lou was playing poor of late as well as with the rest of the team. Lou fans have done nothing but defend him over and over again.





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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:57 PM

Obviously, AV's consecutively starting Cory to test whether he is capable of becoming a star. So far, he has not been too impressive. More time will prove his potentials. If he fails our expectations, we would have to trade him to another team that can accept him as a No.1 goalie.


So as he has played as well as Lou then we should trade Cory and Lou, lets bring up Eddie.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:36 PM

If someone can explain to me how changing the goaltender will improve team defense, I would be glad to recommend it.

They have played poorly in front of both goaltenders and it shows.

It would also help if the Canucks could actually put up a PP goal once in a while.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:41 PM

I don't have the video making skills anyway but if I could, I would B)

Two of the goals I recall from last night. A Wild PP goal. Both the wingers were guarding the same point and left the other point man wide open. Two seconds later the puck ends up in the net.

And then Zucker, I think, all alone in the slot because nobody tied him up. Easy tap in.

*sigh.. basic defensive coverage..


Oh for sure. I agree. I think calling out either goalie right now is disrespectful. They have both played well and have both played a bit average at times too. More often then not they have each given the team a chance to win most nights all the while playing behind the worst defensive play in years.

I'm in the camp that supports giving this team the best roster available and the best chance to win...but as a long time fan I'm also in the camp of considering the future of the team in any trade decisions. I've been patient and witnessed all cup runs (admittedly quite young for '82). So if it takes longer for the cup to be won, so be it. All I want to see is a hardworking team that puts consistent effort on the ice. And if they consider themselves contenders, then to play like contenders. I'm not seeing any of that right now.

I'm more concerned with mgmt decisions over the last couple seasons than who is starting in goal tomorrow night. It's pretty obvious that any "fan" that is so fanatically polarized by a goaltender hasn't been a Canucks fan long enough. It's amusing fodder for threads.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:56 PM

This topic is tiring. The reason Luongo gets shat on much more is because of his playoff meltdowns plain and simple. You didn't hear many ppl harping on Luongo over a bad regular season game until after those meltdowns happened. That is the sole reason why many ppl and i think management themselves are second guessing whether Luongo can get it done for them.

Now its turned into a crapshow of Schenider supporters vs Luongo supporters and pretty much some ppl on both sides want to see the other fail. Ridiculous. This whole goalie situation should of been dealt with a longgg time ago.. I don't think its good for either guy right now and i truly believe that is part of the reason why the play has been suffering.

Im starting to second guess whether Luongo can even be moved now and if MG is going to have his hand forced and move Schneider which would be a mistake. After everything that's happened it would be comical.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:06 PM

I will start this off by saying Cory will be a star, I hope. With that said, why if he is the next second coming, is he playing below-average to average for almost every game he has played? The man said it himself that he needs to play better but yet lets in another silly 3 period goal when there was still time to tie it up?

Also, I find it funny that everyone is blaming the D and saying how we are not scoring. To be elite, you need to steal some games when the guys in front of you are not playing well.

I say he needs to be better, he says he needs to be better. Is the pressure to much for him now?

Before I get flamed, I am a Lu supporter and don't want to see him go. However, I know he is likely going soon and Cory is to be the Number one guy here. If that is going to happen then for crying out loud, I want to see way better play from him to ease the loss of Lu.

Is that too much to ask?


Cory can't score goals. We can't win if we score 1-2 goals no matter how great our goaltending or how mediocre it is. We have so many holes and problems that goaltending should be the last of our concern. Maybe you should look at the holes on the 2nd and 3rd line C position, the play of Edler and Garrison, the lousy PP and PK and the lack of scoring from Booth before turning your head towards our only strength which has and always has been goaltending in the last 5-6 years.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:12 PM

This topic is tiring. The reason Luongo gets shat on much more is because of his playoff meltdowns plain and simple. You didn't hear many ppl harping on Luongo over a bad regular season game until after those meltdowns happened. That is the sole reason why many ppl and i think management themselves are second guessing whether Luongo can get it done for them.

Now its turned into a crapshow of Schenider supporters vs Luongo supporters and pretty much some ppl on both sides want to see the other fail. Ridiculous. This whole goalie situation should of been dealt with a longgg time ago.. I don't think its good for either guy right now and i truly believe that is part of the reason why the play has been suffering.

Im starting to second guess whether Luongo can even be moved now and if MG is going to have his hand forced and move Schneider which would be a mistake. After everything that's happened it would be comical.


if you think the playoff meltdowns are the only reason that people bash Luongo you clearly havent been around very long..

According to canucks nation, Lu has been the reason for countless losses and "single-handedly cost the canucks the cup". This is the kinda garbage that canucks fans say when they dont get their way.. pathetic.

I do agree though with you that the situation has gone on too long by now and also that people need to get off of being fanboys of one goaltender or another.. both are great goaltenders and both should be praised for their good performances and held accountable for their poor performances equally..

The problem is that people always appear to want to make excuses for the team and the goaltenders.. i just wish people could call it as they see it, but that would call for fans to think objectively and leave their ego at the door.. so entirely unlikely when talking about nucks fans,

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:14 PM

So as he has played as well as Lou then we should trade Cory and Lou, lets bring up Eddie.


I hope they decide to trade both Schneider and Luongo so I don't see anymore of these stupid threads. These dumb fans don't know what they got until they lose it just like Ehrhoff and Salo. Maybe bring back Cloutier so they could see what a bad goaltender is.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:14 PM

Dumb thread. As if the problem with this team is a goalie. Cory hasn't played badly. He just can't save our D from all their terrible plays. Lu wouldn't do any better with this lethargic bunch in front of him.

Lets see the team play up to their potential, then you can complain about a goalie if we lose.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:15 PM

If someone can explain to me how changing the goaltender will improve team defense, I would be glad to recommend it.

They have played poorly in front of both goaltenders and it shows.

It would also help if the Canucks could actually put up a PP goal once in a while.


Too bad most Canucks fans here don't get that concept. They don't know hockey.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:18 PM

Dumb thread. As if the problem with this team is a goalie. Cory hasn't played badly. He just can't save our D from all their terrible plays. Lu wouldn't do any better with this lethargic bunch in front of him.

Lets see the team play up to their potential, then you can complain about a goalie if we lose.


Lu? Put prime Hasek, or prime Brodeur in net and they still wouldn't be able to do any better. The game against Chicago where there was 30 breakaways against our team showed just how overrated our defense is. I still agree with Burke that this town is a goalie graveyard.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:18 PM

Luongo's not struggling.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:19 PM

I'm tired of people defending Lou for his meltdowns in the playoffs but I didn't start a topic about it.

The whole team including Cory and Lou have not played well lately. People say if you took out Lou's 8 goal game he has good numbers for the season, well if you took out Cory's first game it's about the same.

I'm tired of people making topics like this... Troll


*Luongo has better numbers than Schneider while including the Detroit game.

Jus sayin'...

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:21 PM

I'm as big as a Roberto Luongo fan that you'll find in this city, but I think its up to MG to make a decision on the goaltending, whatever way it is.

I like Cory Schneider and would love to see him flourish here or elsewhere, but it is quite obvious that having Luongo around makes him feel like he has to play perfect hockey in order to hold the crease (also evident in the frustration in some of his interviews).

If Schneider is the goalie the canucks want to keep, I'm fine by it as a Luongo fan as long as the team takes steps forward. Having the crowded crease hasn't really worked and its unfair to both goalies.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:24 PM

Let's review their last 4 games, shall we?

Schneider:
L, .875 save %, bad game.
OTL, .926 save %, great game
OTL, .933 save %, 28 stops, great game
W, .933 save %, 28 stops, great game
4 points.

7uongo:
L, Bellyflopping vs Calgary, .875 save %
L, Bellyflopping vs Detroit, .714 save %, lost the game. 8 GA, Ro8erto is washed up.
W, Easy SO, Nashville didn't even have a good scoring change.
OTL, Bellyflopping vs the Blues, .870 save %
3 points.

7ungo just bellyflops his way to losses every game, but 7uongo dick riders just love the taste of his chicken so they don't care if he loses the team every game he starts.

7ungo is WASHED UP.

LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! :towel: :towel: :towel: :towel: :towel: :towel: :towel: :towel:


Cory Schneider:
GP: 14
W: 6
L: 5
OTL: 3
GA: 36
Sv %: .910
GAA: 2.63

Roberto Luongo:
GP: 10
W: 5
L: 2
OTL: 3
GA: 24
Sv %: .912
GAA: 2.19

Cory 5chneider is washed up!!!!!!!!

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:43 PM

Our D has been pretty shoddy, a lack of communication has our players scrambling around, our forwards aren't putting the puck in the net, Schneids has been making some great saves to keep our team in the game but our team looks uninspired for some reason.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:42 PM

W, Easy SO, Nashville didn't even have a good scoring change.


Wow either you didn't watch the game or you are so anti-Lou that facts be damned. We were outshot 13 to 3 in the first and won the game 1-0. Pretty sure you're a troll if you write that off, but that might be giving you too much credit.

As for me, I don't blame Cory basically at all for the last few losses. Sure he hasnt stood on his head but he has been good enough for us to win if we played the way we can/should with this lineup. We didn't bring it as a team and although he is part of those losses he also isn't a big part of the losses either. Luongo has been good this year for sure and deserves to get games in, but we would've lost the last few (probably) with either goalie.

I'm personally more of a Luongo fan, but I don't think the OP is being all that fair to Cory.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:25 PM

What's the next thread your going to make "tired of people defending LACK" c'mon guys lol it's the team that's playing horrible not the goalies even though I do think they can play much better but look at it this way when your defence is not playin it's best and is giving up scoring chances and breakaways how the hell are you suppost to leave the game with a above .900 save percentage. sit out edler send shroeder back trade one of the goalies immediately

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:28 PM

At least Cory makes less than Luongo.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:35 PM

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Ro8erto 7uongo (btw, do you even know what the numbers for letters mean? 7 against Chicago, 8 against Boston) has faced far less shots per game than Schneider and faced far weaker teams and Schneider is outperforming him immensely, as shown by those stats.

7uongo is gone this summer, can't wait for the tears from the dick riders. Good riddance, one good playoffs doesn't make up for 5 years of choking.


One dumb post won't change the irrefutable fact Luongo's better than Schneider. :)
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:38 PM

For the two posters that didn't think this was a troll topic, think again. I think the above statement shows it.

For any self professed Lou fan to come out and ask why Cory is being defended when in fact he's not.. is trolling. Everyone knows Cory as well he could be playing better but Lou was playing poor of late as well as with the rest of the team. Lou fans have done nothing but defend him over and over again.


For one thing you seem to read only these types of topics and reply with the word Troll. Makes me wonder what you are trying to start by saying it.

I want to see better if he is taking over, why is that trolling?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:05 PM

For one thing you seem to read only these types of topics and reply with the word Troll. Makes me wonder what you are trying to start by saying it.

I want to see better if he is taking over, why is that trolling?


Your smarter then your pretending to be, I know that you know that, move along.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:09 PM

One dumb post won't change the irrefutable fact Luongo's better than Schneider. :)


One dumb post won't change the irrefutable fact Luongo's better than Schneider. :)


Letting in an OT winner knocking us out of the playoffs he got us in just shows how much of a big time choker he is.

Luongo COMPLETELY collapses game 2 vs Chicago 2009, 6 goals in 30 shots, losing the lead and bellyflopping all over the place and embarrassing the team.

Luongo stinks it up again in that series, game 5, 4 weak goals on 30 shots.

7uongo is born, 7 goals in game 6, completely collapsing and despite 5 goals by our team, HE SINGLE HANDEDLY ELIMINATES THE CANUCKS FROM THE PLAYOFFS.

Fast forward a year, a far inferior kings team manages to light up Luongo who is saved by our offense. A complete collapse in game 3, 4 goals on 16 shots in classinc bellyflop fashion. Played bad in the series as well.

He again completely collapses against Chicago, throwing away the lead in game 2, letting in 5 goals in game 3 like the garbage he is.

Then he lets in 6 goals when we manage to score 4, losing the team a key game because of his bellyflopping. Then when he needs to make the saves, he just can't, get's lit up in game 6. 5 goals on 30 shots, bellyflopping like the 7uongo we know.

It just get's better after that! A 3 game lead by the canucks ALMOST thrown away SOLELY because of 7uongo. He lets in 6 GOALS in game 4, bellyflopping everywhere. Then in game 5 he COMPLETELY craps the bed letting 4 goals in on 12 shots. Then after Schneider gets injured he comes in to a tied game and let's the OT WINNER GET BY WHILE BELLYFLOPPING in game 6.

Then he managed to BLOW THE LEAD IN GAME 5 vs Nashville! 4 goals on 20 shots, just AMAZING bellyflopping there.

Oh the biggest one, he got us in to the history books for this one. The most one-sided game in SC final HISTORY, Ro8erto 7uongo lets in 8 WEAK AS frack GOALS, BLOWING A 2-0 SERIES LEAD IN THE SC FINAL. Next game he lets 4 GOALS IN ON 20 SHOTS, WHILE WE MANAGED TO GET 40 SHOTS.

Then in game 6 HE LETS IN 3 GOALS ON 8 SHOTS, BELLYFLOPPING HIS WAY TO BEING PULLED IN THE SC FINALS FOR A ROOKIE. HE LOST THAT GAME.

Then the amazing game 7 choke, 3 goals on 20 shots. Bellyflopping at it's best bad.

Do I even need to bring up the LA series? He bellyfloped his way to 8 GA in 2 games before he was replaced by Schneider who managed 4 GA in 3.

I don't think any other goalie has let in 8 goals in a game as much as Luongo has in the last 2 years.

Face it, he's Turco. Good in the regular season, sometimes good in the playoffs but prone to LOSE HIS TEAM SERIES BECAUSE OF HIS CHOKINGNESS. A broken clock is right twice a day, Turco has had good playoff series.

Inb4 "MUH MEDAL." Luongo got carried not the other way around, Canada won in spite of shaky, collapsing goaltending that allowed a tying goal with a minute left. He made one good save that game, his only big time save ever. A broken clock is right two times a day.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:43 PM

Letting in an OT winner knocking us out of the playoffs he got us in just shows how much of a big time choker he is.

Luongo COMPLETELY collapses game 2 vs Chicago 2009, 6 goals in 30 shots, losing the lead and bellyflopping all over the place and embarrassing the team.

Luongo stinks it up again in that series, game 5, 4 weak goals on 30 shots.

7uongo is born, 7 goals in game 6, completely collapsing and despite 5 goals by our team, HE SINGLE HANDEDLY ELIMINATES THE CANUCKS FROM THE PLAYOFFS.

Fast forward a year, a far inferior kings team manages to light up Luongo who is saved by our offense. A complete collapse in game 3, 4 goals on 16 shots in classinc bellyflop fashion. Played bad in the series as well.

He again completely collapses against Chicago, throwing away the lead in game 2, letting in 5 goals in game 3 like the garbage he is.

Then he lets in 6 goals when we manage to score 4, losing the team a key game because of his bellyflopping. Then when he needs to make the saves, he just can't, get's lit up in game 6. 5 goals on 30 shots, bellyflopping like the 7uongo we know.

It just get's better after that! A 3 game lead by the canucks ALMOST thrown away SOLELY because of 7uongo. He lets in 6 GOALS in game 4, bellyflopping everywhere. Then in game 5 he COMPLETELY craps the bed letting 4 goals in on 12 shots. Then after Schneider gets injured he comes in to a tied game and let's the OT WINNER GET BY WHILE BELLYFLOPPING in game 6.

Then he managed to BLOW THE LEAD IN GAME 5 vs Nashville! 4 goals on 20 shots, just AMAZING bellyflopping there.

Oh the biggest one, he got us in to the history books for this one. The most one-sided game in SC final HISTORY, Ro8erto 7uongo lets in 8 WEAK AS frack GOALS, BLOWING A 2-0 SERIES LEAD IN THE SC FINAL. Next game he lets 4 GOALS IN ON 20 SHOTS, WHILE WE MANAGED TO GET 40 SHOTS.

Then in game 6 HE LETS IN 3 GOALS ON 8 SHOTS, BELLYFLOPPING HIS WAY TO BEING PULLED IN THE SC FINALS FOR A ROOKIE. HE LOST THAT GAME.

Then the amazing game 7 choke, 3 goals on 20 shots. Bellyflopping at it's best bad.

Do I even need to bring up the LA series? He bellyfloped his way to 8 GA in 2 games before he was replaced by Schneider who managed 4 GA in 3.

I don't think any other goalie has let in 8 goals in a game as much as Luongo has in the last 2 years.

Face it, he's Turco. Good in the regular season, sometimes good in the playoffs but prone to LOSE HIS TEAM SERIES BECAUSE OF HIS CHOKINGNESS. A broken clock is right twice a day, Turco has had good playoff series.

Inb4 "MUH MEDAL." Luongo got carried not the other way around, Canada won in spite of shaky, collapsing goaltending that allowed a tying goal with a minute left. He made one good save that game, his only big time save ever. A broken clock is right two times a day.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:59 PM

Letting in an OT winner knocking us out of the playoffs he got us in just shows how much of a big time choker he is.

Luongo COMPLETELY collapses game 2 vs Chicago 2009, 6 goals in 30 shots, losing the lead and bellyflopping all over the place and embarrassing the team.

Luongo stinks it up again in that series, game 5, 4 weak goals on 30 shots.

7uongo is born, 7 goals in game 6, completely collapsing and despite 5 goals by our team, HE SINGLE HANDEDLY ELIMINATES THE CANUCKS FROM THE PLAYOFFS.

Fast forward a year, a far inferior kings team manages to light up Luongo who is saved by our offense. A complete collapse in game 3, 4 goals on 16 shots in classinc bellyflop fashion. Played bad in the series as well.

He again completely collapses against Chicago, throwing away the lead in game 2, letting in 5 goals in game 3 like the garbage he is.

Then he lets in 6 goals when we manage to score 4, losing the team a key game because of his bellyflopping. Then when he needs to make the saves, he just can't, get's lit up in game 6. 5 goals on 30 shots, bellyflopping like the 7uongo we know.

It just get's better after that! A 3 game lead by the canucks ALMOST thrown away SOLELY because of 7uongo. He lets in 6 GOALS in game 4, bellyflopping everywhere. Then in game 5 he COMPLETELY craps the bed letting 4 goals in on 12 shots. Then after Schneider gets injured he comes in to a tied game and let's the OT WINNER GET BY WHILE BELLYFLOPPING in game 6.

Then he managed to BLOW THE LEAD IN GAME 5 vs Nashville! 4 goals on 20 shots, just AMAZING bellyflopping there.

Oh the biggest one, he got us in to the history books for this one. The most one-sided game in SC final HISTORY, Ro8erto 7uongo lets in 8 WEAK AS frack GOALS, BLOWING A 2-0 SERIES LEAD IN THE SC FINAL. Next game he lets 4 GOALS IN ON 20 SHOTS, WHILE WE MANAGED TO GET 40 SHOTS.

Then in game 6 HE LETS IN 3 GOALS ON 8 SHOTS, BELLYFLOPPING HIS WAY TO BEING PULLED IN THE SC FINALS FOR A ROOKIE. HE LOST THAT GAME.

Then the amazing game 7 choke, 3 goals on 20 shots. Bellyflopping at it's best bad.

Do I even need to bring up the LA series? He bellyfloped his way to 8 GA in 2 games before he was replaced by Schneider who managed 4 GA in 3.

I don't think any other goalie has let in 8 goals in a game as much as Luongo has in the last 2 years.

Face it, he's Turco. Good in the regular season, sometimes good in the playoffs but prone to LOSE HIS TEAM SERIES BECAUSE OF HIS CHOKINGNESS. A broken clock is right twice a day, Turco has had good playoff series.

Inb4 "MUH MEDAL." Luongo got carried not the other way around, Canada won in spite of shaky, collapsing goaltending that allowed a tying goal with a minute left. He made one good save that game, his only big time save ever. A broken clock is right two times a day.


You are seriously one of the most idiotic trolls i have seen yet on this forum

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:49 AM

I will start this off by saying Cory will be a star, I hope. With that said, why if he is the next second coming, is he playing below-average to average for almost every game he has played? The man said it himself that he needs to play better but yet lets in another silly 3 period goal when there was still time to tie it up?

Also, I find it funny that everyone is blaming the D and saying how we are not scoring. To be elite, you need to steal some games when the guys in front of you are not playing well.

I say he needs to be better, he says he needs to be better. Is the pressure to much for him now?

Before I get flamed, I am a Lu supporter and don't want to see him go. However, I know he is likely going soon and Cory is to be the Number one guy here. If that is going to happen then for crying out loud, I want to see way better play from him to ease the loss of Lu.

Is that too much to ask?


If it all comes down to the goalie why didn't Lou win a cup in Florida? If D doesn't matter and it's all the goalie he should be able to win the cup anytime with any team. Right? Please explain why he hasn't.

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