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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:09 PM

I'll be much more convinced when I don't think the people in power are in cahoots.

So you are ignoring the transparent process? Good to know.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:11 PM

So you are ignoring the transparent process? Good to know.


This government does a lot of stuff that is under the table and with the shake of a hand to leave no paper trail. They use private emails to conduct government business. So yeah I don't believe their processes are at all transparent.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:18 PM

This government does a lot of stuff that is under the table and with the shake of a hand to leave no paper trail. They use private emails to conduct government business. So yeah I don't believe their processes are at all transparent.

A blue ribbon panel and a independent fairness advisor.

It seems nothing will satisfy a BC NDP supporter.

And yet the actaul fraudsters are BC NDPers. Those are the persons that there is an actual basis to question the lack of integrity and corruption as it has already been proved.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:20 PM

Man, did you see how upset Bill Bennett was today? I haven't seen him this upset in the legislature since he was crying to reporters about how mean Gordon Campbell was? Remember that? He said Gordo was a bad man, and mean and he spit in Bill's face. LMAO
Good old Bill Bennett. It will good to see him out of power come May.

As for this story, NDP Shane Simpson summed it up best. If the Liberals have any proof of wrong doing or missappropriation of funds they should reveal it. In other words, put up or shut up. It's just another desperate attempt by the Liberals to distract people from all their problems. Only Liberal kool-aid drinkers can't see that.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:22 PM

A blue ribbon panel and a independent fairness advisor.

It seems nothing will satisfy a BC NDP supporter.

And yet the actaul fraudsters are BC NDPers. Those are the persons that there is an actual basis to question the lack of integrity and corruption as it has already been proved.


I'm actually not an NDP supporter. I am political fan. I don't hate the liberals because I love the NDP. It's not like that at all. I hate the liberals because I know they are just a bunch of crooks who have sold out the province. Not even to the highest bidder. They sold it out to their cronies. But i do love them because of how scandal plagued they have been over the last decade.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:29 PM

I'm actually not an NDP supporter. I am political fan. I don't hate the liberals because I love the NDP. It's not like that at all. I hate the liberals because I know they are just a bunch of crooks who have sold out the province. Not even to the highest bidder. They sold it out to their cronies. But i do love them because of how scandal plagued they have been over the last decade.

if that were so then you would not be supporting the BC NDP who are led by an admitted fraudster.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:30 PM

if that were so then you would not be supporting the BC NDP who are led by an admitted fraudster.


And I'm supporting the NDP where? You find me a place where I have said he would make a good premier or that I want to see the NDP in power.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:50 PM

And I'm supporting the NDP where? You find me a place where I have said he would make a good premier or that I want to see the NDP in power.

So who do you support?

I have been clear i support the BC Liberals because they are a better option than the BC NDP.

Do you believe Adrian Dix would make a good premier based on his resume?

There is no other viable option except the BC Liberals to prevent Dix from becoming Premier and given his past history in no way shape or form should he be in office as his delicts related to discharge of his public duties (fraud memo, Raiwind power scandal, the fudge-it budgets that the Auditor General condemned saying the sleight of hand was “inappropriate,” “inadequate”‘ and “disproportionate risk,” and not in accord with GAAP, he pressured the head of the ALR on Six Mile Ranch and then he ran a secret and illegal campaign for the party during recall of three NDP MLAs and lied about it until outed by an NDP field operative - he was using government resources to do so which was also illegal). Once a crook always a crook and Dix has the history to prove it

And based on past history Dix was at the centre of things as the NDP drove BC into the status as a have not province by driving businesses out of this province (Corporation Capital Tax, high corporate taxes, taxes on banks and financial institutions, etc.) - that took years to remedy and make BC a place that can attract business and not drive it out. And now we have another anti-business NDPer who is beholden to the public sector unions. No thanks. I have seen this show before.

The Conservatives??? This is the rump of BC Reform and the last of the hardcore Zalmites - no way.

And the Green Party? They have no hope and no viable policy.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:54 PM

So who do you support?

I have been clear i support the BC Liberals because they are a better option than the BC NDP.

Do you believe Adrian Dix would make a good premier based on his resume?

There is no other viable option except the BC Liberals to prevent Dix from becoming Premier and given his past history in no way shape or form should he be in office as his delicts related to discharge of his public duties (fraud memo, Raiwind power scandal, the fudge-it budgets that the Auditor General condemned saying the sleight of hand was “inappropriate,” “inadequate”‘ and “disproportionate risk,” and not in accord with GAAP, he pressured the head of the ALR on Six Mile Ranch and then he ran a secret and illegal campaign for the party during recall of three NDP MLAs and lied about it until outed by an NDP field operative - he was using government resources to do so which was also illegal). Once a crook always a crook and Dix has the history to prove it

And based on past history Dix was at the centre of things as the NDP drove BC into the status as a have not province by driving businesses out of this province (Corporation Capital Tax, high corporate taxes, taxes on banks and financial institutions, etc.) - that took years to remedy and make BC a place that can attract business and not drive it out. And now we have another anti-business NDPer who is beholden to the public sector unions. No thanks. I have seen this show before.

The Conservatives??? This is the rump of BC Reform and the last of the hardcore Zalmites - no way.

And the Green Party? They have no hope and no viable policy.


I don't support anyone.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:57 PM

The issue here is $200 K accumulated over several years. It pales in comparison to the $700 K the Liberals got in trouble for in a mail out scam they pulled by using caucus money for a massive partisan mail out. The previous auditor-general wrote a scathing report about it. That caucus included Christy Clark, Mike Dejong and Rich Coleman. Surprise Surprise!!

Maybe a separate thread should be created to remind people of these pot calling the kettle black Liberals
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:59 PM

I don't support anyone.

That is not believable based on your posting history. If that was true you would be criticizing Dix since his history is much worse than anything the BC Liberals have produced and you do not do so.

NDP supporter by omission.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:05 PM

Posted Image @VaughnPalmer : #bcpoli Previous auditor-general found BC Libs spent $700K from caucus budget on partisan mailout. http://t.co/LV4jNzklYh

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#bcpoli Lib caucus that wrongly spent $700K on partisan mailout included Christy Clark, Rich Coleman, Mike de Jong.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:06 PM

The issue here is $200 K accumulated over several years. It pales in comparison to the $700 K the Liberals got in trouble for in a mail out scam they pulled by using caucus money for a massive partisan mail out. The previous auditor-general wrote a scathing report about it. That caucus included Christy Clark, Mike Dejong and Rich Coleman. Surprise Surprise!!

Maybe a separate thread should be created to remind people of these pot calling the kettle black Liberals

Do you have a link to to this "scathing report"?
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:07 PM

Do you have a link to to this "scathing report"?


Yes. Check my previous post.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:09 PM

That is not believable based on your posting history. If that was true you would be criticizing Dix since his history is much worse than anything the BC Liberals have produced and you do not do so.

NDP supporter by omission.



LMAO..... That's hilarious., I'm now a supporter because I don't support. You should take up comedy,

I lived under NDP rule and I lived under Liberal rule and I lived under Socred rule. The last 10 years have been a lot worse than the previous 20 I'll say that without problem. The bad taste the liberals have left in everyones mouth is present tense They have a new scandal weekly now. If they go by the wayside It'll be fine with me. If they don't even get official opposition status that I would find humorous.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:23 PM

You did read the report, correct?

As the AG noted the rules were unclear, needed to be clarified and that the investigation was requested by the Leader of the Official Opposition, Gordon Campbell (as he then was) and Deputy Leader Fred Gingell. It was also noted that the mailings were likely in accordance with past practise by other parties including the NDP.

The AG noted that with emerging computer technologies the difference between "Office Mail" and the “Communication Allowance” that had differing rules had become blurred and it was often unclear which category applied (pp 10-13 of the report).


Mr. Campbell therefore asked my Office to review the mailing (and similar communication initiatives undertaken by all parties) and inform him whether any or part of the costs should be reimbursed.


The Deputy Leader of the Official Opposition, Mr. Fred Gingell, also wrote to me. He referred to my 996 public report entitled “Public Communications: Distinguishing Between Government Program and Partisan Political Communications,” and stated that it may be appropriate to consider if the general principle suggested in that report should apply equally to government and opposition Members. He also stated that it may be appropriate to consider more explicit definitions of appropriate content for unsolicited mailings. I concur with Mr. Gingell’s assertions.

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For several years, there have been media reports criticizing the partisanship of a number of MLAmailings apparently paid for with public funds. While we have not reviewed earlier mailings, if they are similar in content to the Liberal Party January 1997 mailing, then they too would contravene the guideline. However, as the focus of this review is on the Liberal mailing, the question is left unanswered as to whether this mailing was more, or less, in conformance with the guideline on Office Mail than other mailings in recent years.



Given the growing importance of this form of public communication for Members, I believe that it would serve the interests of both the Members and the public if there was more detailed guidance in place. For example, consideration needs to be given to providing interpretations for terms used such as “partisan political” and “personally addressed.” In addition, the grouping together of individual and bulk mailings under the same guideline needs to be examined. I suggest that a review of these matters be undertaken soon.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:26 PM

LMAO..... That's hilarious., I'm now a supporter because I don't support. You should take up comedy,

I lived under NDP rule and I lived under Liberal rule and I lived under Socred rule. The last 10 years have been a lot worse than the previous 20 I'll say that without problem. The bad taste the liberals have left in everyones mouth is present tense They have a new scandal weekly now. If they go by the wayside It'll be fine with me. If they don't even get official opposition status that I would find humorous.

They are only scandal plagued if you are an NDP partisan. Compared to the NDP and Socreds, there is no comparison as Craig McInnes clearly set out.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:30 PM

They are only scandal plagued if you are an NDP partisan. Compared to the NDP and Socreds, there is no comparison as Craig McInnes clearly set out.



Oh no They are definitely scandal plagued. it's one thing after the other after the next with the Liberals. First under gordon Campbell and now under Christy Clark. The NDP were like angels compared to these guys. Even the Socreds looked like choir boys. The liberals on the other hand are like a parasite when they are in power. They kill the province from the inside out all the while filling their wallets and killing off the host which is us the people of the province.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:37 PM

Oh no They are definitely scandal plagued. it's one thing after the other after the next with the Liberals. First under gordon Campbell and now under Christy Clark. The NDP were like angels compared to these guys. Even the Socreds looked like choir boys. The liberals on the other hand are like a parasite when they are in power. They kill the province from the inside out all the while filling their wallets and killing off the host which is us the people of the province.

That is a poor attempt at trolling. No basis whatsoever.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:38 PM

That is a poor attempt at trolling. No basis whatsoever.

Trolling? I lived it. You aren't talking to a kid here. I know what it was like under all of them. This is by far the worst conditions the people in this province have lived under.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:51 PM

Trolling? I lived it. You aren't talking to a kid here. I know what it was like under all of them. This is by far the worst conditions the people in this province have lived under.

I lived it as well, including the WAC Bennett Socreds and the Barrett government and I can see no basis for your claims.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:55 PM

I lived it as well, including the WAC Bennett Socreds and the Barrett government and I can see no basis for your claims.



That's because you are a liberal supporter and choose to close your eyes to their malfeasance.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

That's because you are a liberal supporter and choose to close your eyes to their malfeasance.

Nope. Never been a Liberal supporter except by default - they are way mo' better than the BC NDP by any rational measure.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 08:55 AM

They are only scandal plagued if you are an NDP partisan.  Compared to the NDP and Socreds, there is no comparison as Craig McInnes clearly set out.


Please stop quoting one columnist as if his word is the law, thanks.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 09:02 AM

I don't support anyone.

You don't vote?
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 09:05 AM

Well....looks like I'll be using my vote to vote for a meaningless third party. This province desperately needs a centrist party.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 09:09 AM

You don't vote?


I don't have a party affiliation. So I don't support anyone. I choose who I want to choose when the time comes. I know who I won't vote for this time around. Sometimes I prefer strategic voting rather than positional voting.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:04 AM

Please stop quoting one columnist as if his word is the law, thanks.

Nope. I prefer to go with an informed opinion.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:11 AM

Well....looks like I'll be using my vote to vote for a meaningless third party. This province desperately needs a centrist party.


I agree. But it won't happen. The only way to get in office and STAY in office is get in bed with private interest groups and they are either extreme left or extreme right. You go down the middle and no one with any influence will support you.
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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:43 AM

I see the report is out and zero mention of this - that and it died fast in the news. Anyone know why it wasn't in yesterday's report?
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