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#1 CanadianRugby

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:34 PM

For those fans that are patiently waiting for this team to be what we were two years ago.

Then vs. Now

Samuelsson > Booth
Erhoff > Garrison
Salo > Ballard
Hodgson > Shroeder
Torres > Kassian

also

Kesler > Kesler right now
Lapierre > Lapierre right now
H Sedin > H Sedin right now
D Sedin > D Sedin right now

No quick fix for this. Need to bring in better support via free agency and trades if this team is to be elite again.

Edited by CanadianRugby, 13 March 2013 - 01:50 PM.

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#2 Ossi Vaananen

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:36 PM

So what do you suggest we do about it then?

It seems you just created a thread to state the obvious and bring down what players we do have from that roster.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:46 PM

IDEA.

Let's get a time machine and swap em.

While we're at it, let's hurt Tim Thomas right before Game 3 and enter Nathan Horton as a late game scratch. BAM WE WIN THE CUP WHO CARES.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:48 PM

good thread

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:53 PM

I don't know when "then" is. Is it the cup run year or last year? Because in the cup run year Hodgson didn't really play, Ehrhoff wasn't here last year, Salo played 27 games last year and Samuelsson was healthy scratched and benched a few times...
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:54 PM

Injuries, ect
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:56 PM

Bertuzzi > Kassian
Naslund > Kesler
Jovo > Garrison
...shall or continue or is this already too stupid.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:03 PM

Also

Luongo > Schneider
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

Bure > Booth
Linden > Raymond
Ohlund > Ballard

Am I doing it right?
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:07 PM

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:12 PM

H Sedin > H Sedin right now
D Sedin > D Sedin right now


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:24 PM

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THEN: I didn't read this thread.
NOW: I f'd up and read this thread.

THEN > NOW
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:25 PM

We dominated last night because we were throwing everything at the net. There were rebounds and puck bouncing off players. We got a lot of chances from those.

I think we overcomplicated things by passing way too much. Often times a player would be in good shooting position, and he ends up passing the puck, which got intercepted and that chance came to nothing. Not even a shot on goal.

Sometimes the good old "Crush the Net" tactic is the best. K.I.S.S.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:27 PM

IDEA.

Let's get a time machine and swap em.

While we're at it, let's hurt Tim Thomas right before Game 3 and enter Nathan Horton as a late game scratch. BAM WE WIN THE CUP WHO CARES.


I have always wondered why if the hit on Horton really was intentional, why would you waste it?
Rome should have run over Thomas if that was the case.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:30 PM

I have always wondered why if the hit on Horton really was intentional, why would you waste it?
Rome should have run over Thomas if that was the case.


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:31 PM

THEN: I didn't read this thread.
NOW: I f'd up and read this thread.

THEN > NOW

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:32 PM

Bure > Booth
Linden > Raymond
Ohlund > Ballard

Am I doing it right?

Quinn > AV
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:34 PM

I have to agree actually with you OP, although a little more depth to the thread could have made it a better read and discussion instead of what we see here.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:54 PM

Bertuzzi > Kassian
Naslund > Kesler
...shall or continue or is this already too stupid.


Yes, comparing a 1st liners to a 2nd and 3rd liners is pretty stupid.

My point was that the 2nd and 3rd lines, as well as our D is not as talented as it used to be. So we've lost talent without gaining toughness (other than Kassian, though he's playing his way out of the lineup).

Edited by CanadianRugby, 13 March 2013 - 01:55 PM.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:04 PM

For those fans that are patiently waiting for this team to be what we were two years ago.

Then vs. Now

Samuelsson > Booth
Erhoff > Garrison
Salo > Ballard
Hodgson > Shroeder
Torres > Kassian

also

Kesler > Kesler right now
Lapierre > Lapierre right now
H Sedin > H Sedin right now
D Sedin > D Sedin right now

No quick fix for this. Need to bring in better support via free agency and trades if this team is to be elite again.


We didn't have all of Samuelson for the 2011 playoffs. (injured to a whopping 3 points) Plus he and Booth are different types of players
You would have signed that 10 year deal for Erhoff then?
Salo and Ballard are different players. One could also say Ballard throws a better hipcheck and is faster
Cody is better then Shroeder, yes.
Kassian is still a rookie.

Kesler is injured, but hopefully his diving days will be done (not holding my breath)
Lappy is being held back and maybe lost some mobility with the extra size. Wouldn't miss him either way
Sedins need to realize the cycle is dead with clutch and grab back. Kassian on their line may fix that.

Edited by TimberWolf, 13 March 2013 - 02:09 PM.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:25 PM

We didn't have all of Samuelson for the 2011 playoffs. (injured to a whopping 3 points)
You would have signed that 10 year deal for Erhoff then?
Salo and Ballard are different players. One could also say Ballard throws a better hipcheck and is faster
Cody is better then Shroeder, yes.
Kassian is still a rookie.

Kesler is injured, but hopefully his diving days will be done (not holding my breath)
Lappy is being held back and maybe lost some mobility with the extra size. Wouldn't miss him either way
Sedins need to realize the cycle is dead with clutch and grab back. Kassian on their line may fix that.


I agree that the 2011 team couldn't be held together forever. But people have different ideas of why this team is struggling and in my opinion it's because we don't have depth anymore.

I see the potential in Kassian and Shroeder but potential doesn't get you wins TODAY, which is what this team is built for. We go as the Sedins do and they're not getting any younger.

I really like Booth, so fast and tremendous work ethic. Garrison is good defensively and I'm sure his offence will click eventually but these guys are replacing a 30 goal scorer and a 50 point defenseman. The guys we already have were winning Art Ross, Selke and Heart trophies. Do you think the current roster can live up to that? I don't think so.

So, I guess the point of the thread is.. what do you guys think are the solutions?

Anything else other than getting a player for one of our goalies?

Edited by CanadianRugby, 13 March 2013 - 02:28 PM.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:44 PM

I think the Canucks are a good team.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:48 PM

we stepped away from the "no goon" thing to try to get tougher but it's still the same, everyone just gets pushed around and they still have the "win it on the powerplay" mentality but now the powerplay doesn't work. Yesterday Cam Barker got hit with a questionable hit and no one on the team did anything, how do you think that makes Barker feel?

With the loss of Malholtra, Henrik needs to improve on faceoffs because right now he's just an elite playmaker that only gets babysat with offensive zone starts not an elite center because 1. he has sub 50% faceoffs 2. hes obviously not a 2-way center.

The team is no longer a strong 5on5, strong powerplay, strong faceoff, and puck possession team

while it would have been nice to have Samuelsson, it doesn't matter now because he's injured most of the time. He could make offense out of nothing and would score goals at the weirdest angles.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:53 PM

Why we're not dominating-

PP 2 years ago-1st
PP now - 24th
PK 2 years ago- 3rd
PK now-16th

If we are top 10 in both categories, we would have squeaked out about 4 more wins at the least so far this year.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:57 PM

So in 2011 Hodgson 8gp 1g 1a 2p +1 > 2013 Schroeder 22gp 2g 3a 5p?

Hodgson didn't even help the team until 2012
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:15 PM

For those fans that are patiently waiting for this team to be what we were two years ago.

Then vs. Now

Samuelsson > Booth
Erhoff > Garrison
Salo > Ballard
Hodgson > Shroeder
Torres > Kassian

also

Kesler > Kesler right now
Lapierre > Lapierre right now
H Sedin > H Sedin right now
D Sedin > D Sedin right now

No quick fix for this. Need to bring in better support via free agency and trades if this team is to be elite again.

I don't recall Hodgson playing during the Cup run. If he did play it wasn't memorable. So why compare him to the little guy they just sent down. Why not compare him to Kassian then? :picard:
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:17 PM

Then

Canucks had players who can handle and distribute the puck on the power play

Canucks played much more of a skilled team puck possession game and skated the puck past the blue line

Refs were willing to call all kinds of penalties until the SCF

NHL was more about skill and speed

Now...

Canucks have players who can handle and distribute the puck that are half a second slower

Canucks play more of a dump and chase and individual puck possession type of game, ie booth and kesler rushes, hansen and higging chippin the puck along the boards and chasing it

Refs not willing to call penalties league wide

NHL reverting back to the in your face, clutch, grab, and hold type of hockey
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:21 PM

Bure > Booth
Linden > Raymond
Ohlund > Ballard

Am I doing it right?


by the logic of the post maker yes! now all we have to do is wait to make the trades to get them
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:22 PM

Vancouver isn't dominating because they lack the drive necessary to get the job done, as a group.

It's evident in every game they play.

Simple drive and discipline would be evident in the players finishing their checks and not taking lazy penalties.

This is a very talented group of players. Their skill just didn't disappear. I don't think a big trade will do much. This group, coaches and players need to wake up.

To answer the original post question.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:23 PM

I think that Canucks as of late have become predictable just a matter of time to figure out how to surpise opponents with new style of play. AV said in his presser that he is exactly where the canucks expected to be. So now its just the time to make changes. We have a New PP coach too am I right? Hopefully he can shake up things. Not enough shots during PP
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