disisdayear Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 In any buisness , greatness comes from the top down .. and at the top of the N.H.L is a deceitful , venemous , little man .. Until they can get rid of him , this league will always be tainted .. God I hate him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Officials are hired to officiate games not dispense advice to players. No player should have to "take his medicine" from the refs. That's archaic drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 You misunderstand me. I think it's unfortunate that things are the way they are with Burrows, but people need to understand the referees mentality. Like any of the enforcement professions, police, prison guards etc. the refs have a 'us against the world' brotherhood thing going on and if you harm one, you're taking on the group. For life. That's just how it is with these guys and for Gillis to allowe this to happen is the real disaster here. He knew better. It rivals the Luongo contract as Gillis' worst rookie GM gaffe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disisdayear Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Actually, no, as I recall Burrows had spoken to some of his teammates and to AV before he went public. I believe Gillis was also alerted to the situation and still greenlit the interview. Or so he said at the time. That is why I hold Gillis responsible for what I consider a generational franchise damaging gaffe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 do you guys think Gillis should just eat the huge fine and end this mess ?.. or hope that playing out of this will stop the bias ?... either one could fail just as badly .. its so ridiculous that those are our options .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 It proved to be the reality, though. Don`t misunderstand me, I`m not defending it, just recognizing reality for what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 Come on now, Lulover88...don't sugar coat it...how do you REALLY feel about Bettman? It's too bad the squirrely ferret didn't get considered for Stern's job with the NBA. It would have been great to see him vacate the Chairman's role...you know he's just a mere puppet of the owners, don't you? And you know where hands go on a puppet, right? Probably explains why he's twitching all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 do you guys think Gillis should just eat the huge fine and end this mess ?.. or hope that playing out of this will stop the bias ?... either one could fail just as badly .. its so ridiculous that those are our options .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Yeah and those professions never show aaaaany bias to certain groups............Bad example Keke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 That is what I recall Gillis saying at the time, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Are you sure? He looked like he gave the interview while riding a stationary bike after the game...looked pretty spontaneous to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 NHL reffing is an esoteric system of line riding. Incidents, whether obvious, minor, or phantom, are evaluated and each contributes, or takes away from, the team's current probability of getting a penalty on a play. Eventually the line, its limit known only to the ref, is crossed, and a penalty is assessed. And not only that, the line seems to change within periods with the same ref! Not to mention the differences between refs. Make sense? No? Well it doesn't to me either. But this is the best I can do to describe the system. And it makes the game a joke to new and old fans alike, let alone potential fans/outside observers. Players, coaches, equipment, and strategy are on the cutting edge of 21st century technology. NHL reffing is somewhere in the dark ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Seriously? The interview happened right after the game. Did MG come down from the pressbox and discuss this with Alex as he was walking down the tunnel? You'll have to provide some sort of evidence (beyond what you "recall") for me to buy that story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Seriously? The interview happened right after the game. Did MG come down from the pressbox and discuss this with Alex as he was walking down the tunnel? You'll have to provide some sort of evidence (beyond what you "recall") for me to buy that story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 That is what he said at the time. If I`m wrong about the public record of events, then I probably should have my head checked I guess. I`m not gonna search for it though, you be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 That is what he said at the time. If I`m wrong about the public record of events, then I probably should have my head checked I guess. I`m not gonna search for it though, you be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 You, as I recall, are not predisposed to attach much validity to anything that I have to say anyhow, so your opinion on the matter really don`t move me a whole hell of a lot . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 As long as the officiating is this awful, the league will suffer. It seems that Bettman and company don't care and would rather the refs stick to "game management" vs being competent. There is no doubt that there is bias against certain players, not really teams though. Burrows is one of them. Blacklisting a player cheapens the whole system and puts the whole game into disrepute. Games are never called fairly, and the fact that no one is demanding a change to the system is pathetic. Every team has been on the business end of some pathetic call or suffered because a call wasn't made when it should have been (Boll on Barker). The fact that those idiots working the Columbus game didn't call that will directly end up causing an injury later on. Boll crossed the line but didn't get punished. He'll be more apt to doing it again now The NHLPA should make this an issue and demand that all officials in the league are held accountable through a review system as well as an NFL style review of questionable calls as J.R. mentioned above. Until that time, the definition of offside, icing, boarding, roughing, tripping, or slashing are up for interpretation in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 It doesn't matter if it's "more than other players and other teams"; he has a bad rep and it cost a ref his job (at least that is the perception amongst the officials it would seem). Other players (barring a select few) have less of a rep. No ref is going to risk his job b y falling for Burrows' nonsense so the knee jerk reaction is to let it go. Burrows will have to bleed to get a call from here on out. Maybe it's time to trade him while he has some value. It would be a tough pill to swallow but IMHO the only way the Canucks are going to shed their rep as diving rats is to get rid of the worst offenders and that means losing Burr, Kes and Lappy. Bitter medicine to be sure but is there any other way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 I think you're a bit confused about the timeline. Gillis and AV went on record after the interview, saying that they supported Burrows and believed what he said. However, I'd bet the farm that if word had gotten up to Gillis that Burrows was planning a national TV rant, calling out one of the referees for basically throwing the game due to a personal issue, he absolutely would have put a stop to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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