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#1 Canucks9

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:32 PM

Is it just me or does it not make sense that when Ballard plays, he has around 16/17 minutes of icetime, but when Alberts plays, he plays only 11/12 minutes a game (prior to last game).

Why does AV gas our other dmen, with playing Alberts, when he can play Ballard and rest some of our other dmen?
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:35 PM

AV logic.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:38 PM

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Alberts is already slow. AV probably figures a tired Alberts will be dangerously slow.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:03 PM

Every time I see a 'versus' thread, I think it's because they got in a fight.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:10 PM

Is it just me or does it not make sense that when Ballard plays, he has around 16/17 minutes of icetime, but when Alberts plays, he plays only 11/12 minutes a game (prior to last game).

Why is AV dumb enough to gas our other dmen, with playing Alberts, when he can play Ballard and rest some of our other dmen?


If you look at TOI around the league, you'll see that many teams have much more imbalanced distribution of Dman TOI than do the Canucks. Playing one of your D 10-11 minutes once every four games or so means nothing.

The question then becomes : why is Alberts playing ahead of Ballard at all? I'll let the Ballard lovers get up in arms about that, but I'll just say that Alberts adds a physical element that Ballard can't match, and he's not nearly as bad as many think.

Again, look around at most teams' 6th D man. We're lucky to have Alberts OR Ballard in that role, even though Ballard's cap hit makes that a no-go for the future.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:11 PM

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Ballard is almost an afterthought now. It's sad, but the truth. Ballard's turnovers and risky play have been completely exaggerated. It's clearly personal beef between AV and Ballard. It's not like those things don't happen.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:13 PM

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I dont understand why AV keeps benching Ballard. I thought he was playing well . :sadno:
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:15 PM

i love how alberts constantly gets out of position trying to make a hit........... thats a good thing right?



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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:17 PM

Is it just me or does it not make sense that when Ballard plays, he has around 16/17 minutes of icetime, but when Alberts plays, he plays only 11/12 minutes a game (prior to last game).

Why is AV dumb enough to gas our other dmen, with playing Alberts, when he can play Ballard and rest some of our other dmen?



Forget these 2 cubes what about Cam Barker? Why won't AV play him. Just because they won last night doesn't mean they've solved their problems. The only short term improvement was the way the team came out flying, about time!
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:25 PM

Is it just me or does it not make sense that when Ballard plays, he has around 16/17 minutes of icetime, but when Alberts plays, he plays only 11/12 minutes a game (prior to last game).

Why is AV dumb enough to gas our other dmen, with playing Alberts, when he can play Ballard and rest some of our other dmen?



Going by NHL.com stats, Ballard's average ice time per game is just under 15 minutes. Alberts averages about a minute and a half less.

Of the minute and a half discrepancy, a minute is special teams play, meaning that 5 on 5, Ballard averages a bout 30 seconds more than Alberts.

If that extra 30 seconds is "gassing" anyone, they need to hit the gym a little harder...
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:25 PM

I like Ballard more than Alberts.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:38 PM

i love how alberts constantly gets out of position trying to make a hit........... thats a good thing right?



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In AV's eyes yes
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:45 PM

12 minutes is still 3x as much ice-time Stu Bickel was getting
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:52 PM

Yes, Andrew Alberts plays physical and will deck forwards that get too close to our goaltender in front of the net, but he's so easy to beat one-on-one on the rush. So many times the opposition just pulls an inside-outside move and they are behind him to bust towards the net.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:10 PM

I like the physical element that Alberts brings, he took Dorsett out for the rest of the season with a clean hit, and there have been numerous other occasions as well where Alberts has shown that he can use his physicality to his advantage. He's slow though and often gets beat 1 on 1 chasing pucks, and I noticed he pinches too much in the O zone and sometimes he gets caught out of position.

No question Ballard was one of our best d-men for the first 20 games this year, there has to be some legit reason AV is benching him whether it be some personal vendetta or something
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:18 PM

Alberts is the new Rome.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:39 PM

short answer ballard is better
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:27 PM

short answer ballard is better


whats the long answer?
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:31 PM

i dunno alberts started that raymond goal last night and almost got a goal (just hit the post)

i think hes been great , plus that big ass hit that separated that dudes shoulders

and hes got the flow going
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:43 PM

A-Train is pure beast mode, he destroys guys, he even almost scored on a pinch in the other night, lol. Where as Ballard never almost scores, throws 3-4 big hip checks a season. Neither are very good defensively but Alberts size and ability to handle physical play make him more valuable at this point.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:25 PM

I don't know about icetime, but for a 5/6 defensman I will take Alberts Pros/Cons to Ballards Pros/Cons anyday. Ballard does have good games and this year he has not been "retreating" nearly as much as last year but his game is really limited...

Not that Alberts game isn't limited as well, but he hits, has good reach, and is sooo much more effective along the boards than Ballard and alot of games are won on the battles on the boards.

Alot of this talk is moot as the root of our problems on the defnsive end are from AV's tactics.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:18 PM

Alberts so far has earned his ice time and starting spot. Ballard is over rated.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:22 PM

Alberts so far has earned his ice time and starting spot.  Ballard is over rated.



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Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:36 PM

Alberts has size and some toughness, something that this team needs and Ballard does NOT have.

Edited by Understand, 15 March 2013 - 11:38 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:39 PM

Has Alberts game been that much worse than Ballard's?

Cause I don't think so.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:20 AM

guys look at the numbers, I thought Ballard looked good on the ice then after 20 games he had 1 point and an even +/-. I think it is a good move to see what the team looks like with either Alberts or Barker in the lineup.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:51 AM

I like Ballard and i like Alberts, but for some reason he hasn't been able to perform as required relative to his pay and is in avs doghouse.

Alberts had been just as effective defensively and faaaaaarrrrrr more physical..

This team sorely needs the physical game that Alberts brings. I'm sure the league has seen what happened to Dorsett and its this notoriety that helps the team and especially our goalies as teams will think twice about driving to the net hard on Lu and Schneids.

Anyone able to protect our tenders gets the nod from me.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:54 AM

i dunno alberts started that raymond goal last night and almost got a goal (just hit the post)

i think hes been great , plus that big ass hit that separated that dudes shoulders

and hes got the flow going


Certainly agree on the flow factor...this team has lacked legitimate flow for far too long.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:32 AM

If you look at TOI around the league, you'll see that many teams have much more imbalanced distribution of Dman TOI than do the Canucks. Playing one of your D 10-11 minutes once every four games or so means nothing.

The question then becomes : why is Alberts playing ahead of Ballard at all? I'll let the Ballard lovers get up in arms about that, but I'll just say that Alberts adds a physical element that Ballard can't match, and he's not nearly as bad as many think.

Again, look around at most teams' 6th D man. We're lucky to have Alberts OR Ballard in that role, even though Ballard's cap hit makes that a no-go for the future.


Basically this.. and when you look at when we started playing Alberts we were in a major slump and usually playing from behind, he was obviously shortening the bench to play the offensive guys more.. Tiring them out wouldn't make a difference if we're not in the playoffs. Still gotta tie up the games in the reg season of we want to get there.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 12:56 PM

I like Alberts, he was obviously terrible the first year he was here after the deadline, but ever since he has been solid, exactly what you want in a 7th defenceman. I dunno what's been going on with Ballard, maybe they're working on a trade and don't want to take the chance of him getting injured. But Alberts has played a solid game, Ballard wasn't noticeably better than Alberts when he was in the lineup, I mean, he has one assist in 20+ games.
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