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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:12 PM

Li'l Wayne is equally responsible as any other entertainer or person, for that matter. Because he markets his music and videos to youth and because his antics land him headlining airtime on TV and the internet, he has a greater influence on youth than an ordinary person might, whether we like it or not.

I agree with GLASSJAW and his reference to making our youth more media literate through education at home and at school, but, we make too much adult content available to our youth these days.

The way a kid, and many adults, sees things... Li'l Wayne, and many, many other entertainers, promotes partying, cough syrup consumption, bitches, booze, drugs, sex, expensive cars, the importance of money, etc. Kids see this and they think this is how life is. They think this is how to act cool. Reality says this is not how real life is. It is how life is for many overpaid, over pampered, self-entitled Pop culture figures. A parent or teacher can model and tell a kid that this is not the way things are, but, a kid being a kid sometimes doesn't listen. They still want to be like Li'l Wayne because it's cool... It's what their culture says is cool... The flavor of the week. This is the parent's or teacher's problem how?


I disagree that kids see the artists and think that's how life is. I grew up with snoop dog, wu tang, 2pac, biggie and I never went around dealing drugs, doing drugs, shooting people ect ect.

There are bad influences everywhere that a kid can pick up on you can't control that. You can't tell people like lil Wayne how to live their life. Personally i think the internet is worst of all. who do we blame from every nasty thing being a google away?

In the end all you can do is have a positive impact on the people around you. As I said before and others have mentioned the parents play the most impostant role in all of this. I had a single parent who closely monitered my activities all the time.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:14 PM

I'm siding with Special Ed here. I understand that musicians have influence, but there is a severe lack of media literacy in our culture, and if parents aren't media literate, and if they can't "read" entertainment properly, then their children likely won't either. It is the parents (and, later, teachers/professors) job to teach youth had to think critically about the media we consume non-stop. it is NOT Lil Wayne's responsibility to filter or censor his life, especially when he has spent the bulk of his adult life in the limelight, making millions of dollars for that candidness.

Yes, entertainers are to blame for their own actions, but they cannot be blamed for being put in the position to highlight those interests. That is a cultural "problem." And that is a problem only an adult can fix by helping a child become media literate.

This entirely falls on the shoulders of the parents as far as I'm concerned.

Scott, where'd your cousin live?


My aunt and uncle and my cousins...the youngest one is 6, Shane was the middle child and his older sister Kristen who's 17 live/lived in Charlotte. They are loving parents who will do anything and everything for their kids...so their parenting is not the issue here. Shane idolized Li'l Wayne...had t-shirts, all his music, posters, you name it...for anyone claiming his senseless, needless death as a result of an overdose of high content-codeine cough syrup has no connection to Li'l Wayne and probably others he listened to as well is absurd.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:16 PM

Li'l Wayne is equally responsible as any other entertainer or person, for that matter. Because he markets his music and videos to youth and because his antics land him headlining airtime on TV and the internet, he has a greater influence on youth than an ordinary person might, whether we like it or not.

I agree with GLASSJAW and his reference to making our youth more media literate through education at home and at school, but, we make too much adult content available to our youth these days.

The way a kid, and many adults, sees things... Li'l Wayne, and many, many other entertainers, promotes partying, cough syrup consumption, bitches, booze, drugs, sex, expensive cars, the importance of money, etc. Kids see this and they think this is how life is. They think this is how to act cool. Reality says this is not how real life is. It is how life is for many overpaid, over pampered, self-entitled Pop culture figures. A parent or teacher can model and tell a kid that this is not the way things are, but, a kid being a kid sometimes doesn't listen. They still want to be like Li'l Wayne because it's cool... It's what their culture says is cool... The flavor of the week. This is the parent's or teacher's problem how?


You probably noticed that I didn't defend Lil Wayne's actions. I'm not arguing that these people haven't placed themselves into a role of influence to impressionable kids. I'm saying that to expect entertainers to live their lives without human flaws is unrealistic. In fact most people know that entertainers, like musicians and actors, are some of the most flawed people in society. That's the problem.

So pointing the blame at Lil Wayne for a tragedy that befalls a child isn't fair and doesn't solve anything. For every Lil Wayne, there is ten wannabes in line waiting to be the next big star. So trying to get these guys to change is like a dog chasing it's tail.

Which brings me back to my point. Blaming Lil Wayne is not going to fix anything.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:18 PM

I disagree that kids see the artists and think that's how life is. I grew up with snoop dog, wu tang, 2pac, biggie and I never went around dealing drugs, doing drugs, shooting people ect ect.

There are bad influences everywhere that a kid can pick up on you can't control that. You can't tell people like lil Wayne how to live their life. Personally i think the internet is worst of all. who do we blame from every nasty thing being a google away?

In the end all you can do is have a positive impact on the people around you. As I said before and others have mentioned the parents play the most impostant role in all of this. I had a single parent who closely monitered my activities all the time.


You are just clueless...just clueless...and you continue to foist blame on parents where there is none..If you're suggesting this son of a bitch shouldn't at least be held responsible for his actions especially considering the influence people like him have over the youth in this world...you cannot see the ****ing forest for the trees. I sincerely hope that if you have children you don't have to deal with what my aunt and uncle are going through today.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:21 PM

You are just clueless...just clueless...and you continue to foist blame on parents where there is none..If you're suggesting this son of a bitch shouldn't at least be held responsible for his actions especially considering the influence people like him have over the youth in this world...you cannot see the ****ing forest for the trees. I sincerely hope that if you have children you don't have to deal with what my aunt and uncle are going through today.


How do you propose Lil Wayne is held responsible?
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:21 PM

You probably noticed that I didn't defend Lil Wayne's actions. I'm not arguing that these people haven't placed themselves into a role of influence to impressionable kids. I'm saying that to expect entertainers to live their lives without human flaws is unrealistic. In fact most people know that entertainers, like musicians and actors, are some of the most flawed people in society. That's the problem.

So pointing the blame at Lil Wayne for a tragedy that befalls a child isn't fair and doesn't solve anything. For every Lil Wayne, there is ten wannabes in line waiting to be the next big star. So trying to get these guys to change is like a dog chasing it's tail.

Which brings me back to my point. Blaming Lil Wayne is not going to fix anything.



And just how in the **** is it not fair? Li'l Wayne is a celebrity with lots of money and lots of influence...and if his young fans die emulating what he does then he sure as hell DOES deserve a part of the blame. Unbelievable some of the backwards ass comments in this thread...
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

You are just clueless...just clueless...and you continue to foist blame on parents where there is none..If you're suggesting this son of a bitch shouldn't at least be held responsible for his actions especially considering the influence people like him have over the youth in this world...you cannot see the ****ing forest for the trees. I sincerely hope that if you have children you don't have to deal with what my aunt and uncle are going through today.


I'm sorry for your situation. It's not easy to lose people you care about. As for the reasons things happen we have our mindsets and that's that.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:23 PM

This thread has morphed into what's wrong with society. Everyone is looking to blame someone else for their actions.

Why should Lil Wayne be responsible for everyone else's children? He's a human being like everyone else. We all have good traits and we all have flaws. How is Lil Wayne any different?


If I saw some nobody promoting this crap out on the street, I'd think the same. Lil Wayne isn't any different, so don't let him off the hook like he is. If someone walked into a school telling kids that mixing a concoction like this was cool, we'd call them out so why not a celebrity? You're right, he isn't any different so why are you treating him as such?

Those using prescription drugs for anything other than Doctor prescribed use are a problem in society moreso than a young kid who tragically did what many do - idolized someone in the limelight and tried something that was presented as "cool".

It isn't the music that needs censorship GJ, it's the behavior likely needing an adjustment. It's irresponsible. So yeah, worthy of criticism.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:24 PM

How do you propose Lil Wayne is held responsible?


I really don't give a damn how the son of a bitch is held responsible...maybe he'll drink one too many cough syrups himself and he'll die and it'll be poetic justice. I'm sorry but that's how I feel. And even if he does die from it...it still won't bring my cousin back. 14 years old...and just a senseless death....people like Wayne popularize these types of behaviors and they should be ashamed of themselves...
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:33 PM

And just how in the **** is it not fair? Li'l Wayne is a celebrity with lots of money and lots of influence...and if his young fans die emulating what he does then he sure as hell DOES deserve a part of the blame. Unbelievable some of the backwards ass comments in this thread...


My point is, these guys are never gonna change. This destructive behavior is what got the the millions of fans and money in the first place. So how do you stop it? Who is gonna tell them how to live and what to say? And who is going to enforce it?

Blaming Lil Wayne might be a short term solution but it isn't going to make the problem go away.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:34 PM

I really don't give a damn how the son of a bitch is held responsible...maybe he'll drink one too many cough syrups himself and he'll die and it'll be poetic justice. I'm sorry but that's how I feel. And even if he does die from it...it still won't bring my cousin back. 14 years old...and just a senseless death....people like Wayne popularize these types of behaviors and they should be ashamed of themselves...


I'm not trying to be the bad guy here. I agree with you in that I have ZERO respect for Lil Wayne. Never have and never will.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:42 PM

I am leaving for the evening to help plan a funeral. Thanks to all of you who have offered your condolences and your sympathies...it'll be nice for my aunt and uncle and the rest of Shane's immediate family to know that people care. Have a good evening...and go Canucks.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:39 PM

I am leaving for the evening to help plan a funeral. Thanks to all of you who have offered your condolences and your sympathies...it'll be nice for my aunt and uncle and the rest of Shane's immediate family to know that people care. Have a good evening...and go Canucks.


So sorry Scottie, my condolences.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:02 PM

If I saw some nobody promoting this crap out on the street, I'd think the same. Lil Wayne isn't any different, so don't let him off the hook like he is. If someone walked into a school telling kids that mixing a concoction like this was cool, we'd call them out so why not a celebrity? You're right, he isn't any different so why are you treating him as such?

Those using prescription drugs for anything other than Doctor prescribed use are a problem in society moreso than a young kid who tragically did what many do - idolized someone in the limelight and tried something that was presented as "cool".

It isn't the music that needs censorship GJ, it's the behavior likely needing an adjustment. It's irresponsible. So yeah, worthy of criticism.


This paragraph, by Deb, sums it all up for me.

Too often, we make excuses for our idols and Pop Culture heroes, but, if Steve Jarkoczyz down the street is doing the same thing, I call that bastard out, too.

I work in a school with 1100 kids. Some dickhead makes drugs, porn and booze available to innocents in the school. Without those dickheads, including our fabulous Li'l Wayne, our kids are a little safer. It's a societal problem, as is our consumption and access to certain pieces of Pop Culture. I'm all for free speech, but I certainly think some of what we hear and view is immoral and damages our youth. I wish there was a way to limit content's availability (like Li'l Wayne, for example) to those under the age of majority.

To say that Li'l Wayne is not a part of the problem, and to blame parents and teachers, makes no sense.

Quit making excuses and giving free passes to Pop Culture figures just because they are revered and popular. It is ass-backwards thinking.

Thanks for saying clearly what I was struggling to say, Deb.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:08 PM

If I saw some nobody promoting this crap out on the street, I'd think the same. Lil Wayne isn't any different, so don't let him off the hook like he is. If someone walked into a school telling kids that mixing a concoction like this was cool, we'd call them out so why not a celebrity? You're right, he isn't any different so why are you treating him as such?

It isn't the music that needs censorship GJ, it's the behavior likely needing an adjustment. It's irresponsible. So yeah, worthy of criticism.


Lil Wayne isn't on any hook because he's not responsible for those who listen to his music

And pretty much every school in North America is full of students who talk about what drugs are or are not "cool"

Seems like the music industry goes through this every few years. Eminem, Marilyn Manson, Columbine, blah blah blah

as Eminem says, WHERE WUZ DA PARENTS AT???
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:21 PM

My aunt and uncle and my cousins...the youngest one is 6, Shane was the middle child and his older sister Kristen who's 17 live/lived in Charlotte. They are loving parents who will do anything and everything for their kids...so their parenting is not the issue here. Shane idolized Li'l Wayne...had t-shirts, all his music, posters, you name it...for anyone claiming his senseless, needless death as a result of an overdose of high content-codeine cough syrup has no connection to Li'l Wayne and probably others he listened to as well is absurd.


The "death of your cousin" (please note the scare quotes, and please interpret their meaning as you see fit) IS related to Lil Wayne in that his death is the result of his attempt to emulate Lil Wayne. Nobody is denying that. What people are denying is that Lil Wayne has a responsibility to your cousin, simply because he's young and impressionable. He doesn't.

You're suggesting that:

A) Lil Wayne's music be censored, but that would be highly hypocritical, as you've already cited ICP (LOL!) as one of your favourite rap acts, and lord knows they do enough endorsement of rape, drug use, misogyny, murder, violence, etc. on their own.

or

B) Lil Wayne should take direct responsibility for your cousin's death because of the actions of your cousin were influenced by misguided celebrity worship. Would this hold up in court?
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:26 PM

The "death of your cousin" (please note the scare quotes, and please interpret their meaning as you see fit) IS related to Lil Wayne in that his death is the result of his attempt to emulate Lil Wayne. Nobody is denying that. What people are denying is that Lil Wayne has a responsibility to your cousin, simply because he's young and impressionable. He doesn't.

You're suggesting that:

A) Lil Wayne's music be censored, but that would be highly hypocritical, as you've already cited ICP (LOL!) as one of your favourite rap acts, and lord knows they do enough endorsement of rape, drug use, misogyny, murder, violence, etc. on their own.

or

B) Lil Wayne should take direct responsibility for your cousin's death because of the actions of your cousin were influenced by misguided celebrity worship. Would this hold up in court?


That's the question I've asked a few times in this thread already.

How do people propose Lil Wayne take the blame for kids dying?
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:04 PM

Has ZERO to do with it??? Really??? All right buddy...I'll wait till you get a call at 5am waking you out of a sound sleep to tell you one of your relatives has gone on one of these binges...His parents are DEVASTATED...You don't have a goddamn clue what you're talking about...and sitting here reading you defending this jackass is REALLY pissing me off. I can't deal with this bull s*** right now...from you or anyone else. I thought venting would make me feel better...but it hasn't. I'll see you cats later on in the day after I have a nice session with Dr. Bong. Un****ingbelievable the set of balls you have making this statement right here.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

Marylin Manson is at fault for Columbine amirite?

Edited by Dellins, 16 March 2013 - 05:10 PM.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

Just in 50 000 people (mainly kids) will die today. Give 2 shats about this dude.

Edited by kurtis, 16 March 2013 - 05:11 PM.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:14 PM

Just in 50 000 people (mainly kids) will die today. Give 2 shats about this dude.


Omg you are so insensitive :'(
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:17 PM

Omg you are so insensitive :'(

With people like him. He abuses drugs with his mass amounts of money!
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:21 PM

Just in 50 000 people (mainly kids) will die today. Give 2 shats about this dude.

More like 150,000ish
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

On one hand, parents need to be responsible for their own children. On another, you can't just let guys off the hook. I didn't know anything about "purple drank" or lean until I heard it on songs. Lil Wayne rapped about it a lot. Kids might've also learned about it from him directly, and wanted to try it. He potentially introduced kids to something they didn't know about. It's not exactly a 'hard' drug or weed that almost everyone raps about or you can see just anywhere. It was a pretty specific thing that was more or less introduced through rap. It's considered a 'cool' drink.

Considering this guy is an addict now and is having life threaening seizures, you'd think that it's silly that he raps about how cool it is and good it feels.

I don't think he should be blamed for people being stupid, but I also don't think he shouldn't be dealt blame for bringing harmful substances to life either. Not when you're in a position where kids listen to you and look up to you for being a 'celebrity'.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:34 PM

People may hate him, but he's good at what he does.
If someone is successful at doing what they love, let them do it.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:54 PM

Let me get this straight.... People that listen to Lil Wayne for sure SHOULD KNOW that the rap industry glorifies sex, drugs, and money.

So if you fall for that hype and start copying what he does, you have bigger issues than he does!

As for Lil Wayne, I listen to some of his songs, not a huge fan.... But yeah, some may say that he isn't rap have a fair judgement, I feel the same. But give the man some credit, he knows how to sell it.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:29 PM

Lil Wayne isn't on any hook because he's not responsible for those who listen to his music

And pretty much every school in North America is full of students who talk about what drugs are or are not "cool"

Seems like the music industry goes through this every few years. Eminem, Marilyn Manson, Columbine, blah blah blah

as Eminem says, WHERE WUZ DA PARENTS AT???


OK, let's take the whole music thing out of it. He's a 30 something acting irresponsibly and mixing drugs that are intended as medicine, not for recreation and pleasure. So let's keep the whole music thing out of it and just call him out for that. Reason enough right there...how about use your time to do something constructive?

And in going back to the music, if you don't think the allure to some of this music IS the theme behind it and not based on quality, you're likely fooling yourself. Here's the deal - no, he's not responsible. But adults need to act responsibly in society, so you just made my point.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:30 PM

The "death of your cousin" (please note the scare quotes, and please interpret their meaning as you see fit) IS related to Lil Wayne in that his death is the result of his attempt to emulate Lil Wayne. Nobody is denying that. What people are denying is that Lil Wayne has a responsibility to your cousin, simply because he's young and impressionable. He doesn't.

You're suggesting that:

A) Lil Wayne's music be censored, but that would be highly hypocritical, as you've already cited ICP (LOL!) as one of your favourite rap acts, and lord knows they do enough endorsement of rape, drug use, misogyny, murder, violence, etc. on their own.

or

B) Lil Wayne should take direct responsibility for your cousin's death because of the actions of your cousin were influenced by misguided celebrity worship. Would this hold up in court?


At the end of the day this dudes cousin got what he asked for, plain and simple, don't look for any sympathy around here, you can call it suicide if you ask me, selfish.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:37 PM

And just how in the **** is it not fair? Li'l Wayne is a celebrity with lots of money and lots of influence...and if his young fans die emulating what he does then he sure as hell DOES deserve a part of the blame. Unbelievable some of the backwards ass comments in this thread...


What an idiot this guy is, how old are you?...I'm a big football Michael Vick fan so I'm going to start dog fighting, I'm a huge hockey fan and like to drink beer, so let me kill my friend Snyder like Heatly did..People know right from wrong so sit your ass down.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:39 PM

He's a 14 year old kid for crying out loud. What he asked for? Pretty heartless.

And yes, I am sympathetic. 14 year olds are fairly impressionable and vulnerable. As adults, we can do two things....set an example for the youth today or relive our own by rapping about stuff that isn't cool and pretending like it is. How many dumb ass rappers are dead? Gangsters? So is that lifestyle cool? Not so much. And last time I checked Michael Vick got busted...if he hadn't, there surely would be young guys who would think it's ok/cool to do so. Maybe not you, but we have young people that emulate what their idols do.

Never mind the "sit your ass down" tough talk. It's not necessary.
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