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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:58 PM

OK, let's take the whole music thing out of it. He's a 30 something acting irresponsibly and mixing drugs that are intended as medicine, not for recreation and pleasure. So let's keep the whole music thing out of it and just call him out for that. Reason enough right there...how about use your time to do something constructive?

And in going back to the music, if you don't think the allure to some of this music IS the theme behind it and not based on quality, you're likely fooling yourself. Here's the deal - no, he's not responsible. But adults need to act responsibly in society, so you just made my point.


You can't take the music thing out of it, because that's what the objection to SHM's dumb opinion actually is. SHM is trying to put blame on Wayne because he uses that music to "promote the coolness of" something, and is therefore at fault for the negative things that could be linked back to that "promotion"

If you remove music from it, then Wayne is just another drug addict, and this conversation takes on a whole new meaning. And this whole conversation isn't about the morality of drug use, it's about censorship in art. That's all I've been talking about, anyway. Or at least all I've MEANT to talk about.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

He's a 14 year old kid for crying out loud. What he asked for? Pretty heartless.

And yes, I am sympathetic. 14 year olds are fairly impressionable and vulnerable. As adults, we can do two things....set an example for the youth today or relive our own by rapping about stuff that isn't cool and pretending like it is. How many dumb ass rappers are dead? Gangsters? So is that lifestyle cool? Not so much. And last time I checked Michael Vick got busted...if he hadn't, there surely would be young guys who would think it's ok/cool to do so. Maybe not you, but we have young people that emulate what their idols do.

Never mind the "sit your ass down" tough talk. It's not necessary.


Because Lil Wayne has 'a lot' of money, he has no obligation to tell your kid to do what he/she should do, Your parents should have more influence, rappers these days will tell you anything to make money, it's their JOB,

I'm a local rapper myself, and sympathize with the youth, so I try to push positive lyrics..when I was 14, I knew right from wrong, ..maybe start using ur brain and advance in life since , with all that technology you have in the palm of your hand, maybe google what side effects this will have on me....and yea, continue to sit ya as down!..
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:49 PM

Let me get this straight.... People that listen to Lil Wayne for sure SHOULD KNOW that the rap industry glorifies sex, drugs, and money.

So if you fall for that hype and start copying what he does, you have bigger issues than he does!

As for Lil Wayne, I listen to some of his songs, not a huge fan.... But yeah, some may say that he isn't rap have a fair judgement, I feel the same. But give the man some credit, he knows how to sell it.


I 100% agree with you, Kass9... If you are an adult of sound mind.

Do you honestly think, though, that a 14 year old kid, or younger, really understands what he or she is doing when ingesting prescription medication as a form of entertainment... Or when he or she watches people simulating sex on screen during a music video? Would kids do these things if our Pop Culture icons were not doing them?

Finally, I will give Li'l Wayne his props... he makes some decent coin and has a ton of bitches and bling. Yahoo! To only credit Li'l Wayne with his own success is ignoring the fact that his agent, management, videographers, producers, engineers and, especially, the media have a whole lot to do with his image and success, too. Left to his own resources, Li'l Wayne would be just another wannabe in a trail of wannabes.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 11:01 PM

You can't take the music thing out of it, because that's what the objection to SHM's dumb opinion actually is. SHM is trying to put blame on Wayne because he uses that music to "promote the coolness of" something, and is therefore at fault for the negative things that could be linked back to that "promotion"

If you remove music from it, then Wayne is just another drug addict, and this conversation takes on a whole new meaning. And this whole conversation isn't about the morality of drug use, it's about censorship in art. That's all I've been talking about, anyway. Or at least all I've MEANT to talk about.


Censorship is BS. Free speech is the right of every Canadian and American. I do think, however, that certain things need to be only a part of adult life. Somehow, we need to limit children's access to certain subjects of media until they reach the age of majority (ages 0-19 in Canada, 21 in the US) in their country.

Is this a form of censorship? Yes, I guess it is. Call me a hypocrite. I believe that we are harming our youth by exposing them to media that is meant only for adult consumption.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:52 AM

Censorship is BS. Free speech is the right of every Canadian and American. I do think, however, that certain things need to be only a part of adult life. Somehow, we need to limit children's access to certain subjects of media until they reach the age of majority (ages 0-19 in Canada, 21 in the US) in their country.

Is this a form of censorship? Yes, I guess it is. Call me a hypocrite. I believe that we are harming our youth by exposing them to media that is meant only for adult consumption.


I don't disagree with that at all
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:05 AM

Because Lil Wayne has 'a lot' of money, he has no obligation to tell your kid to do what he/she should do, Your parents should have more influence, rappers these days will tell you anything to make money, it's their JOB,

I'm a local rapper myself, and sympathize with the youth, so I try to push positive lyrics..when I was 14, I knew right from wrong, ..maybe start using ur brain and advance in life since , with all that technology you have in the palm of your hand, maybe google what side effects this will have on me....and yea, continue to sit ya as down!..


I don't give two damns what you are or who you are...my cousin was 14 years old..and because of cough syrup...which I will reiterate that he wouldn't even have been drinking if it wasn't for this dumb ass rapper and others like him, he is now DEAD. Do you understand that?? Why don't YOU sit your ass down. "I knew right from wrong at 14" who gives a damn. My cousin would still be alive today if this kind of BS wasn't glorified by dumb asses like Wayne. And that's all I have to say about that. You need to get a clue.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:29 AM

Hope he's ok
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:32 AM

Amazing. :lol:

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:11 AM

This thread sure went sour quick.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:42 AM

The "death of your cousin" (please note the scare quotes, and please interpret their meaning as you see fit) IS related to Lil Wayne in that his death is the result of his attempt to emulate Lil Wayne. Nobody is denying that. What people are denying is that Lil Wayne has a responsibility to your cousin, simply because he's young and impressionable. He doesn't.

You're suggesting that:

A) Lil Wayne's music be censored, but that would be highly hypocritical, as you've already cited ICP (LOL!) as one of your favourite rap acts, and lord knows they do enough endorsement of rape, drug use, misogyny, murder, violence, etc. on their own.

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B) Lil Wayne should take direct responsibility for your cousin's death because of the actions of your cousin were influenced by misguided celebrity worship. Would this hold up in court?

Of course it wouldn't hold up in court but he's clearly upset because a member of his family died. So did you have fun going after him? I know the answer is yes and I know the reasoning was because you have people you know you can wind up but really; and not just to you, was it really necessary for the group of you to go after him on here?

Doesn't matter what I think really but you Ed, Nux and misconduct should probably feel bad. Whether you do or not is on you. I know it's a forum and all but it doesn't always have to be a game does it?

I wonder do you think it's your parents fault you're like this or were their outside influences?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:27 AM

The "death of your cousin" (please note the scare quotes, and please interpret their meaning as you see fit) IS related to Lil Wayne in that his death is the result of his attempt to emulate Lil Wayne. Nobody is denying that. What people are denying is that Lil Wayne has a responsibility to your cousin, simply because he's young and impressionable. He doesn't.

Every adult has a responsibility in this life to act within the guidelines of the law and conduct themselves in a way that supports that. This crosses that line. Mixing pharmaceuticals that are intended for medical use in order to use them recreationally isn't within the law. Advertising it as something cool is false advertising.

So he does have a responsibility to conduct himself as a law abiding citizen, no? Not specifically directed "to" Shane or other children - but present nonetheless. So don't ignore that. Or is the fact that he makes horrible music as a bi-product enough to let him off the hook? Because it's art? I can sing about going out and kicking grandmothers in the shins but if I do it, it's a whole other ballgame.

And while he's playing Russian roulette to generate album sales, what if the situation arose where someone's child needed the ambulance that was dispatched to him? Had to wait until it dropped off his sorry butt to hospital. He chose the route there....maybe a cancer victim missed out on their ride? Just saying, this is possible fallout from being selfishly involved in these games. So that's cool too, if something like that were to happen? Just showing you that it isn't as cool as it's being presented and could have all kinds of repercussions that don't just involve the selfish players.

And surprise surprise, his new album drops in a week and a half. Well timed publicity stunt. Garbage.

Again, whether you're in the LW camp or not, show sensitivity to a fellow member who has just experienced a tragic death in the family. No argument you present will justify being insensitive and heartless. Sure, defend your stance but do so wearing the shoes of someone in obvious pain.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:47 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if it were a PR stunt. Watch I bet his new album goes platinum in one week. Lil Weezy trolled everybody.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:23 AM

My aunt and uncle and my cousins...the youngest one is 6, Shane was the middle child and his older sister Kristen who's 17 live/lived in Charlotte. They are loving parents who will do anything and everything for their kids...so their parenting is not the issue here. Shane idolized Li'l Wayne...had t-shirts, all his music, posters, you name it...for anyone claiming his senseless, needless death as a result of an overdose of high content-codeine cough syrup has no connection to Li'l Wayne and probably others he listened to as well is absurd.


Sorry to hear about that bud. My condolences.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:24 AM

The "death of your cousin" (please note the scare quotes, and please interpret their meaning as you see fit) IS related to Lil Wayne in that his death is the result of his attempt to emulate Lil Wayne. Nobody is denying that. What people are denying is that Lil Wayne has a responsibility to your cousin, simply because he's young and impressionable. He doesn't.

Every adult has a responsibility in this life to act within the guidelines of the law and conduct themselves in a way that supports that. This crosses that line. Mixing pharmaceuticals that are intended for medical use in order to use them recreationally isn't within the law. Advertising it as something cool is false advertising.

So he does have a responsibility to conduct himself as a law abiding citizen, no? Not specifically directed "to" Shane or other children - but present nonetheless. So don't ignore that. Or is the fact that he makes horrible music as a bi-product enough to let him off the hook? Because it's art? I can sing about going out and kicking grandmothers in the shins but if I do it, it's a whole other ballgame.

And while he's playing Russian roulette to generate album sales, what if the situation arose where someone's child needed the ambulance that was dispatched to him? Had to wait until it dropped off his sorry butt to hospital. He chose the route there....maybe a cancer victim missed out on their ride? Just saying, this is possible fallout from being selfishly involved in these games. So that's cool too, if something like that were to happen? Just showing you that it isn't as cool as it's being presented and could have all kinds of repercussions that don't just involve the selfish players.

And surprise surprise, his new album drops in a week and a half. Well timed publicity stunt. Garbage.

Again, whether you're in the LW camp or not, show sensitivity to a fellow member who has just experienced a tragic death in the family. No argument you present will justify being insensitive and heartless. Sure, defend your stance but do so wearing the shoes of someone in obvious pain.


I agree with pretty much everything you've posted in this thread.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:29 AM

Censorship is BS. Free speech is the right of every Canadian and American. I do think, however, that certain things need to be only a part of adult life. Somehow, we need to limit children's access to certain subjects of media until they reach the age of majority (ages 0-19 in Canada, 21 in the US) in their country.

Is this a form of censorship? Yes, I guess it is. Call me a hypocrite. I believe that we are harming our youth by exposing them to media that is meant only for adult consumption.


There's the problem with censorship. Your beliefs are not the same as everybody else. Censorship is a slippery slope.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:32 AM

He has an album coming out? Surprise, surprise.

Meh, just another PR stunt. I wont lose any sleep either way.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:33 AM

It's pretty dumb to blame Wayne about your nephew dying, look at all the songs of the 60's and 70's about drug use. Might as well blame them for all the drug related deaths too.

Blame the kid, blame the parents or his friends or whatever but don't blame Lil wayne. Should his parents have even let him idolize wayne? And probably listen to his music since he was 10-12 years old
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:37 AM

Happy Saint Patricks Day to all .. did you know he was credited with driving all the snakes out of Ireland? .. what will it take to expell all the "snakes" from this venue? ..I still see the continuous "gang of bitches" mentality when a weakness is percieved ..

Why of course it persists .. for it is what "they" live for .. something inside their psyche just never developed properly .. karma awaits, and all the personal cowardice in this world will not allow you to escape fate ..

Look deep inside yourselves and try not to pale at what you see lurking within .. :(

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:38 AM

It's pretty dumb to blame Wayne about your nephew dying, look at all the songs of the 60's and 70's about drug use. Might as well blame them for all the drug related deaths too.

Blame the kid, blame the parents or his friends or whatever but don't blame Lil wayne. Should his parents have even let him idolize wayne? And probably listen to his music since he was 10-12 years old


You make some valid points and yes, parents are at the front line of overseeing what their kids are interested and involved in. But guess what - as parents, we're also obligated to send our children to school, where they're out of our control and exposed to this stuff via their friends.

That's where the argument is...that the "artists" own some responsibility in acting out their lyrics. Hopefully, we're learning something over the years and back then we also had lead in paint.

So blame everyone except the guy advertising his recipe for coolness? And, possibly, death?

No, he is not solely to blame but the actions of those in the limelight and exposed to our children via TV and music need to be examined if they're living the lyrics. Somebody gonna get hurt. I'm actually for censorship to some degree because I think things are going too far when lyrics transfer over into reality. People die when they use this crap. That isn't cool or songworthy in my mind. But that's a whole other can of worms. Sing whatever you want - but you can't do whatever you want if it's outside the law. And mixing these concoctions certainly is. When these guys "recover" throw their asses in jail. Plenty of time then to come up with some lyrics that make sense. Celebrity or not, you're not above the law.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:46 AM

I disagree that LW music is considered 'advertising'. It's all a relative matter of opinion really. Just because a person is famous they are not bound to any sort of morals that portray themselves in a specific way to the public. Music is really just an extension of who an artist is and much relates to their life. Telling someone because theyre famous now they have to live by YOUR standards and morals doesnt make any sense.

With a very young and impressionable youth the responsibility of their upbringing rests solely on the childs family. Parents should be actively involved and know what their child is up to, at least until the child is old enough and better prepared to deal with life's challenges on their own.

I also don't buy the 'parents can't always watch their kids'. To me that's just an excuse. My single parent on two jobs would always find a way to locate me or know where I was and what I was doing. Even when I wasn't honest with my mother she would find a way. Two parents should be able to handle it. Obviously nothing is perfect and there will always be exceptions.

My first CD I bought was snoop dog 'doggystyle' and 2pac 'all eyes on me' when I was a teen. When Tang as well. I actually had to hide these from my mother because of the language. I wasn't actually allowed to listen to such music due to the language. So even I still listened to it I realized it was wrong and smoking weed or doing things the artists rapped about never crossed my mind once.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:46 AM

Is he still alive?
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:53 AM

The "death of your cousin" (please note the scare quotes, and please interpret their meaning as you see fit) IS related to Lil Wayne in that his death is the result of his attempt to emulate Lil Wayne. Nobody is denying that. What people are denying is that Lil Wayne has a responsibility to your cousin, simply because he's young and impressionable. He doesn't.

Every adult has a responsibility in this life to act within the guidelines of the law and conduct themselves in a way that supports that. This crosses that line. Mixing pharmaceuticals that are intended for medical use in order to use them recreationally isn't within the law. Advertising it as something cool is false advertising.

So he does have a responsibility to conduct himself as a law abiding citizen, no? Not specifically directed "to" Shane or other children - but present nonetheless. So don't ignore that. Or is the fact that he makes horrible music as a bi-product enough to let him off the hook? Because it's art? I can sing about going out and kicking grandmothers in the shins but if I do it, it's a whole other ballgame.

And while he's playing Russian roulette to generate album sales, what if the situation arose where someone's child needed the ambulance that was dispatched to him? Had to wait until it dropped off his sorry butt to hospital. He chose the route there....maybe a cancer victim missed out on their ride? Just saying, this is possible fallout from being selfishly involved in these games. So that's cool too, if something like that were to happen? Just showing you that it isn't as cool as it's being presented and could have all kinds of repercussions that don't just involve the selfish players.

And surprise surprise, his new album drops in a week and a half. Well timed publicity stunt. Garbage.

Again, whether you're in the LW camp or not, show sensitivity to a fellow member who has just experienced a tragic death in the family. No argument you present will justify being insensitive and heartless. Sure, defend your stance but do so wearing the shoes of someone in obvious pain.


Well Deb, I couldn't disagree more about LW, but I'm not even going to bother with that anymore. Agree to disagree

I am curious though, is there some sort of rule that I must show sensitivity towards other posters? I'm not trolling him, I'm not even really talking to him. But now I'll talk ABOUT him: SHM has been making up stories on CDC for years. The guy does nothing but lie, yet people still give him the reaction he looks for. He's broken about three rules in this thread alone, but he's off the hook because of a 'death' in his family -- and we are supposed to just take the abuse?

I cannot feel sorry for someone who regularly makes up lies on here to corral sympathy from other posters. Even if his cousin's 'death' is true, it's like a boy who cried wolf for me.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:53 AM

I disagree that LW music is considered 'advertising'. It's all a relative matter of opinion really. Just because a person is famous they are not bound to any sort of morals that portray themselves in a specific way to the public. Music is really just an extension of who an artist is and much relates to their life. Telling someone because theyre famous now they have to live by YOUR standards and morals doesnt make any sense.

With a very young and impressionable youth the responsibility of their upbringing rests solely on the childs family. Parents should be actively involved and know what their child is up to, at least until the child is old enough and better prepared to deal with life's challenges on their own.

I also don't by the 'parents can't always watch their kids'. To me that's just an excuse. My single parent on two jobs would always find a way to locate me or know where I was and what I was doing. Even when I wasn't honest with my mother she would find a way. Two parents should be able to handle it. Obviously nothing is perfect and there will always be exceptions.


So your parents sat beside you at school? I'm sure that went over well with your peers. I've been a single parent for years and none was as involved as I have been....I guarantee that. But kids find ways around these things. The fact that you were dishonest with your Mom supports that ...you obviously found a way around her at some point, so it wasn't foolproof and air tight as you're suggesting. And your Mom figured it out...I commend that she was hands on and on top of it.

Thing is, the world is ever changing and you can "prepare" your kids all you want but then something "new and improved" is presented that you haven't covered. Like this crap. So your Mom and Dad prepared you for sizzwhateveritis? I doubt it. Even parents totally on top of their game will be somewhat out of the loop...unless you put your kid in a bubble and don't allow them to experience the world.

Again - the lyrics...fine, whatever. But he acted them out and that's sending the wrong message. Sing about Strawberry Fields and being a walrus or whatever the hell you want. If you go out into the street as a walrus, you're likely not going to be well received.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:59 AM

Well Deb, I couldn't disagree more about LW, but I'm not even going to bother with that anymore. Agree to disagree

I am curious though, is there some sort of rule that I must show sensitivity towards other posters? I'm not trolling him, I'm not even really talking to him. But now I'll talk ABOUT him: SHM has been making up stories on CDC for years. The guy does nothing but lie, yet people still give him the reaction he looks for. He's broken about three rules in this thread alone, but he's off the hook because of a 'death' in his family -- and we are supposed to just take the abuse?

I cannot feel sorry for someone who regularly makes up lies on here to corral sympathy from other posters. Even if his cousin's 'death' is true, it's like a boy who cried wolf for me.


There are rules about trolling and spamming. "LOL" with nothing further in a post is spam. I removed that one. So you've all benefited, to some degree, from leniency in this thread.

Worry about your actions and let the mods decide the rest - we're on it. This post of yours, alone, breaks rules because it's calling out the mod actions and there are provisions for that, as you well know. And why don't we save the trouble for everyone in shutting it down?

No need to give this guy any further free advertising anyhow because the topic is no longer applicable and it's simply going around in circles now. Dude is "fine" and tweeting in confirmation of that. For him, life goes on, so obviously, nothing more to see here.

To those questioning (further) as to why the thread was closed: it's gotten ugly fast and isn't worth salvaging.
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