Jump to content

Welcome to canucks.com Vancouver Canucks homepage

Photo

BC Elections: NDP supporters in for rude awakening


  • Please log in to reply
44 replies to this topic

#1 Common sense

Common sense

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 21,679 posts
  • Joined: 08-January 06

Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:32 PM

It's not a secret that the BC Liberals are at odds with various public sector unions (BCTF, BCHEU, BCGEU, BC Ambulance Services, etc). Suppose Dix and the BCNDP do win the upcoming election - how are they going to handle relations between government and unions? The same groups of people that year in and year out tell their due-payers to vote NDP/BCNDP will now find themselves at odds with a government that looks to limit spending. Good luck supporting that.


http://www.richmond-...9014/story.html

A protest rally this past weekend served as another reminder that a whole bunch of New Democratic Party supporters are in for a rude awakening if their political party wins.

About 200 people gathered outside Premier Christy Clark's constituency office, demanding more government money for a comprehensive child care plan. If the NDP does indeed form the next government, I suspect a similar demonstration will take place outside leader Adrian Dix's constituency office.

That's because Dix has signalled he knows the government cupboard is bare, and has already indicated his plans for a province-wide child care program are dead in the water, at least for a while, because the money simply isn't there to fund one.

But the lack of an expensive child care system isn't the only issue sure to disappoint the various interest groups that support the NDP over the B.C. Liberals.

Teachers, for example, may get a slight pay hike from an NDP administration, but not one that comes anything close to what they've been demanding from the provincial government. And they'd be wise to lower expectations when it comes to funding for the classroom.

There will be some pro-union changes to labour legislation, but unionized public sector workers shouldn't expect any significant pay hikes any time soon.

And the NDP has decried the level of child poverty in this province for years, but again, I'll be surprised if much action is taken on that front for at least a few more years and the state of government finances improves.

Wait times in the health care system are not going to radically change no matter which party wins in May.

I suspect the NDP's election platform will commit more money than the B.C. Liberals' current budget, but even that amount will simply maintain the status quo.

One large constituency that usually supports the NDP may be particularly upset. That would be the environmental movement which, among other things, wants a ban on fracking to extract natural gas.

The NDP's energy critic, John Horgan, says his caucus has committed to a study on fracking, but that's about it. He's mindful of the vital role natural gas revenues play in paying for government services, from health care to education and I doubt an NDP government would do anything to stifle the money that can flow from that critical industry.

Governments of all philosophical stripes are becoming desperate for more revenues, which naturally sets the stage for a clash with environmentalists, as the extraction and sales of natural resources is the backbone of the B.C. economy.

About the only sector that might notice some significant differences between an NDP administration and the B.C. Liberal government is post-secondary education. Dix has made it clear he considers that skills training and student aid are his top priorities.

But that's about it folks. Things aren't going to change much after the May vote even if the party takes power.

The conundrum of what to do about B.C. Ferries is a good example.

The party's critic for that company was unable to offer any specifics for what the NDP has planned for ferry services in this province.

There was no commitment for increasing the tax subsidy for B.C. Ferries, or doing anything to reduce fares or make changes to service levels.

All of this means that, should Dix become premier, demonstrations outside his constituency office may be rather commonplace.

And those doing the protesting will be the same folks who voted for him.

Keith Baldrey is chief political reporter for Global BC.
  • 0

#2 Gross-Misconduct

Gross-Misconduct

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,479 posts
  • Joined: 15-December 07

Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:44 PM

Whoa, 200 hundred people? This sounds serious.
  • 0
Posted Image

#3 CanuckClown

CanuckClown

    Comets Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 373 posts
  • Joined: 07-August 12

Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:29 PM

Nevermind

Edited by CanuckClown, 15 March 2013 - 09:35 PM.

  • 0

#4 Dazzle

Dazzle

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,913 posts
  • Joined: 27-June 06

Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:31 PM

Political parties do not truly represent the people. They are whatever you want them to be. Yes, they will be do or say anything to get elected.

The money comes from YOUR pockets.

And while their job is not easy at all, saying that one party is 'preferable' over the other is silly.

NDP is not a better alternative to the Liberals IMHO. Not saying that I'd vote Liberals - I think it's time that these 'main' political parties lose. I'm not holding my breath though. I don't think a 'new party' could change any economic situation. All these 'promises' can be made by any party. Can they follow through?

No.
  • 1
Posted Image --> THANKS EGATTI.

I have to say Dazzle's was the coolest. ROTFLOL


#5 CanuckClown

CanuckClown

    Comets Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 373 posts
  • Joined: 07-August 12

Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:47 PM

Political parties do not truly represent the people. They are whatever you want them to be. Yes, they will be do or say anything to get elected.

The money comes from YOUR pockets.

And while their job is not easy at all, saying that one party is 'preferable' over the other is silly.

NDP is not a better alternative to the Liberals IMHO. Not saying that I'd vote Liberals - I think it's time that these 'main' political parties lose. I'm not holding my breath though. I don't think a 'new party' could change any economic situation. All these 'promises' can be made by any party. Can they follow through?

No.


I disagree. While I accept your assertion that under our current system the people are not represented, the tendencies of certain parties favour the working populace more than others.

In this case, that would be the NDP. Certain people on this forum will throw tired, failed economic arguments as to why the Liberal regime is better; the reailty is they cannot quantifyy these views or even articulate their views. They base their arguments on "intuitive" statements that have proven to be BS.

Call it trickle-down, neo-liberal, or human capital assertions etc. they are all BS and fail. I'd be willing to bet people like WetCoaster don't even know the theoretical foundations of the terms I just mentioned. Regardless, they continue to support said argiments. Why? In my opinion, it's because it serves them.

What I'm getting at is terms such as "responsible" government (balanced budget) is a false theory that needs to be examed. People can call me academic - the irony is their basis for attack is all based on false-academic assertions that have NEVER been proven. All they have proved is that the rich get richr, and people like me end up paying for the short end of the equation.

This short end includes the Olympics, the sea-to-sky highway, the convention center, BC Place and Gordo living in the UK.

It's a bloody joke and people need to wake up.

The best part is that some on this site (take a guess who) will cite laws articulated by these same people in an attempt to defend the status quo. It's a fracked up world we live in is all I can say.
  • 2

#6 nucklehead

nucklehead

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,354 posts
  • Joined: 23-March 03

Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:52 PM

Political parties do not truly represent the people. They are whatever you want them to be. Yes, they will be do or say anything to get elected.

The money comes from YOUR pockets.

And while their job is not easy at all, saying that one party is 'preferable' over the other is silly.

NDP is not a better alternative to the Liberals IMHO. Not saying that I'd vote Liberals - I think it's time that these 'main' political parties lose. I'm not holding my breath though. I don't think a 'new party' could change any economic situation. All these 'promises' can be made by any party. Can they follow through?

No.

The real worry is that a left socialistic leaning party might try to. In the process dragging us further into the unsustainable morass of European style unfunded liabilities. And for what? To try to please the insatiable demands of a society bent on the destruction of our childrens futures. How will we pay for extravagant programs like this when we protest and chase off every industry in the land who's revenues we desperately need just to keep our heads above water.
  • 0
biggerabacus_zps5cae10b6.jpg

#7 CanuckClown

CanuckClown

    Comets Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 373 posts
  • Joined: 07-August 12

Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

The real worry is that a left socialistic leaning party might try to. In the process dragging us further into the unsustainable morass of European style unfunded liabilities. And for what? To try to please the insatiable demands of a society bent on the destruction of our childrens futures. How will we pay for extravagant programs like this when we protest and chase off every industry in the land who's revenues we desperately need just to keep our heads above water.


You should really get a clue before you post. "left socialistic" party? WFT does this even mean?
  • 2

#8 Dazzle

Dazzle

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,913 posts
  • Joined: 27-June 06

Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:38 PM

I disagree. While I accept your assertion that under our current system the people are not represented, the tendencies of certain parties favour the working populace more than others.

In this case, that would be the NDP. Certain people on this forum will throw tired, failed economic arguments as to why the Liberal regime is better; the reailty is they cannot quantifyy these views or even articulate their views. They base their arguments on "intuitive" statements that have proven to be BS.

Call it trickle-down, neo-liberal, or human capital assertions etc. they are all BS and fail. I'd be willing to bet people like WetCoaster don't even know the theoretical foundations of the terms I just mentioned. Regardless, they continue to support said argiments. Why? In my opinion, it's because it serves them.

What I'm getting at is terms such as "responsible" government (balanced budget) is a false theory that needs to be examed. People can call me academic - the irony is their basis for attack is all based on false-academic assertions that have NEVER been proven. All they have proved is that the rich get richr, and people like me end up paying for the short end of the equation.

This short end includes the Olympics, the sea-to-sky highway, the convention center, BC Place and Gordo living in the UK.

It's a bloody joke and people need to wake up.

The best part is that some on this site (take a guess who) will cite laws articulated by these same people in an attempt to defend the status quo. It's a fracked up world we live in is all I can say.


I honestly don't think they have much of a platform, at least not represented by Dix.

I don't really care that he was involved in that fraud business in the 90's - what can he do NOW?

What he's saying is all fine and dandy but is it actually achievable? I think not.

I think the population is stupid to expect so much out of a system that traditionally does so little. Anything that happens is almost always started on election year.

NDP and Liberals will screw the middle class, which is exactly where I am. I don't find your explanation of 'favoring the working class' to be convincing. I assume you are an NDP voter.

For the first time, I might throw my vote at some random party because I don't feel my vote counts for much anyway. It's just the same watered down promises made to feed a delusional population.

You should really get a clue before you post. "left socialistic" party? WFT does this even mean?


I think you know exactly what he means.

It's like saying 'leftist' party with a socialist agenda.

But IMHO.. "Socialism" is a fake term for a concept that doesn't exist anymore in real politics.
  • 0
Posted Image --> THANKS EGATTI.

I have to say Dazzle's was the coolest. ROTFLOL


#9 Buggernut

Buggernut

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 32,526 posts
  • Joined: 15-March 03

Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:59 PM

I think we just have to bite the bullet and give the NDP one term, while the centre-right party undergoes wholesale personnel changes from top to bottom and reemerges under whatever name the next election. Hopefully, we won't let our economy crumble to the ground under two NDP terms before we learn better.
  • 0

#10 Wetcoaster

Wetcoaster

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 40,454 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 04

Posted 16 March 2013 - 12:20 AM

You should really get a clue before you post. "left socialistic" party? WFT does this even mean?

How about we let the BC NDP speak for itself?


The Constitution of the New Democratic Party of British Columbia


PREAMBLE


The New Democratic Party believes that social, economic and political progress in Canada can only be

assured by the application of democratic socialist principles to government and the administration of public affairs.


The principles of democratic socialism can be defined briefly as follows: a) the production and distribution

of goods and services shall be directed to meeting the social and individual needs of people and not for

profit, b) the modification and control of the operations of monopolistic productive and distributive

organizations through economic and social planning, towards these ends, and c) where necessary, the

extension of the principle of social ownership.


The New Democratic Party holds firm to the belief that the dignity, freedom and equality of the individual
is a basic right that must be maintained and extended.

The New Democratic Party is proud to be associated with the democratic socialist parties of the world and to share in the struggle for peace, international co-operation and the abolition of poverty.


Sounds like "a left socialistic leaning party" to me.


As compared to the BC Liberal party constitution:

(2) The principles of the Party are:


(a) a belief in supporting the rights, freedoms and dignity of all British

Columbians and encouraging their responsible participation in forms of social

organization which articulate a common interest;


(b) a belief in the rights of citizens to democratically elect government;


(c ) a belief in the rights of every person to own and enjoy property and whereby

private property will be protected by law and may not be taken without just

cause and full and fair compensation;


(d) a belief that every individual is equal before and under the law and has the

right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination

and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic

origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability;


(e) a belief in the freedoms

(i) of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press

and other media of communication;


(ii) of peaceful assembly;

(iii) of conscience and religion;

(iv) of association;

(v) to participate in a free private enterprise system and to enjoy the fruits of

labour to the greatest possible extent;


(f) a belief in the commitment to achieve a fair-minded and prosperous society by

means of a sustainable, competitive and compassionate free enterprise system,

in which individual initiative is balanced by protection of the rights, freedoms

and dignity of all individuals, and which is qualified to sustain vital services to

those in need;


(g) a belief that government must be responsive to the needs of the people of the

province, and must seek their responsible participation in the economic and

social development of British Columbia;


(h) a belief in the responsibility of the people of British Columbia to

(i) personally provide for themselves, their families and their dependants

and collectively by government to care and provide for the needs of

people who are unable to care and provide for themselves;

(ii) direct government to act sustainably to ensure future generations have

similar social, economic and environmental opportunities;


(i) a belief in the principles of universal public access to health care and education

and public support for those in need;


(j) a belief in the responsibility of government to

(i) promote the general well-being of the people by enacting legislation

which reflects the will of the people;

(ii) operate sustainably such that future generations will have similar

economic, social and environmental opportunities, which requires

government to operate with a balanced budget void of deficit financing;

(iii) be fiscally prudent and therefore to limit taxation;


(k) a belief in the democratic process


Sounds like a centre right coalition government protecting private property, promoting free enterprise and exercising fiscal prudence while limiting taxes, i.e. not "a left socialistic leaning party" like the BC NDP.
  • 2
To err is human - but to really screw up you need a computer.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Never try to teach a pig to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

#11 Wetcoaster

Wetcoaster

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 40,454 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 04

Posted 16 March 2013 - 12:21 AM

I think we just have to bite the bullet and give the NDP one term, while the centre-right party undergoes wholesale personnel changes from top to bottom and reemerges under whatever name the next election. Hopefully, we won't let our economy crumble to the ground under two NDP terms before we learn better.

Unfortunately the last two times we bit the bullet it took years to dig out of the mess. I have no desire to go through that again.
  • 0
To err is human - but to really screw up you need a computer.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Never try to teach a pig to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

#12 Buggernut

Buggernut

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 32,526 posts
  • Joined: 15-March 03

Posted 16 March 2013 - 12:44 AM

Unfortunately the last two times we bit the bullet it took years to dig out of the mess. I have no desire to go through that again.


I can't think of any other ways to shake up the Socred/Liberals pack every once in a while.
  • 0

#13 iwtl

iwtl

    Comets Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 676 posts
  • Joined: 11-October 07

Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:02 AM

The ndp have been clear that they expect to find the province is in very poor economic health and this article fully supports that. Unionized workers for the most part in the public service will be thrilled to be able to bargain without one hand on their wallet and thier backs against the wall. To not having to ask what they will loose next - to actually having the same rights as a kid at McDonald's ( health is the only sector without successor rights ) - there is lots unions will be happy with that don't cost that they lost to a power hungry vindictive bc liberal government.

And if they do get elected I would like to see them apply a bc liberal ( you where stupid enough to believe them ) Tax so that tax payers clearly understand the devestation that the bc liberals have done to this province. The ndp left a surplus last time they where in office and the complete and utter rubbish and nonsense being pushed by the right wing needs to called out. This current government has spent the cupboard bare and tax shifted business and the wealthy's share to the working class. History will in time reflect on the last decade as one of the most distructive of this generations. I have this horrible feeling that when we do have a change that what will be found will be similar to what was found after grant Devine left office.

  • 1
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -
John Kenneth Galbraith

"This is the first test of a gentleman: his respect for those who can be of no possible value to him." - William Lyon Phelps



#14 Gross-Misconduct

Gross-Misconduct

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,479 posts
  • Joined: 15-December 07

Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:16 AM

As compared to the BC Liberal party constitution:

(2) The principles of the Party are:


(a) a belief in supporting the rights, freedoms and dignity of all British

Columbians and encouraging their responsible participation in forms of social

organization which articulate a common interest;


I just spit my coffee all over my computer reading this. Words are cheap and that's all those are. Just words. The Liberal party is for everything BUT supporting the rights, freedoms and dignity of all British Columbians.

BC has the second highest child poverty rate in Canada. Where's the dignity in that?
  • 0
Posted Image

#15 van_ws

van_ws

    Comets Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 961 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 10

Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:58 PM

I am just going to through away my vote, the Liberals and NDP have done nothing to earn my support. This province is screwed either way. We all lose. The NDP will win, as the Liberals are as good as dead.

You think the economy is bad now? Just wait how bad it will get in the next couple of years with the NDP in charge.

This province is sure going to stink for awhile.
  • 0

#16 Buggernut

Buggernut

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 32,526 posts
  • Joined: 15-March 03

Posted 16 March 2013 - 03:39 PM

I just hope the NDP keeps the 4-year term limit that the Campbell Liberals committed to, so that we'll have the option of throwing them out after four and not five years.

Edited by Buggernut, 16 March 2013 - 03:40 PM.

  • 0

#17 Gross-Misconduct

Gross-Misconduct

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,479 posts
  • Joined: 15-December 07

Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:11 PM

I am just going to through away my vote, the Liberals and NDP have done nothing to earn my support. This province is screwed either way. We all lose. The NDP will win, as the Liberals are as good as dead.

You think the economy is bad now? Just wait how bad it will get in the next couple of years with the NDP in charge.

This province is sure going to stink for awhile.


There was a time when this is true. But Dix is moving the party towards the centre. That's why the hard leftists will be disappointed if the NDP regain power.

As for ruining the economy, I doubt that. Especially with Dix naming BCIT president Don Wright as his deputy minister and head of the public service. Wright, who has been president of BCIT since 2008, has a masters in economics from the University of British Columbia and a PhD from Harvard. He is also well respected in the business community. If you missed the story...

Adrian Dix names BCIT president Don Wright to be head of public service if NDP win


VICTORIA - New Democratic Party leader Adrian Dix has recruited British Columbia Institute of Technology president Don Wright to be his deputy minister and head of the public service.

Dix announced Wednesday that Wright will resign his post at BCIT, and that he will be appointed to the new position after the May election if the NDP are to win.

"Don Wright has an impressive track record in the private and public sectors, especially in forestry, post-secondary education and skills training," said Dix in a news release.

"He understands government, he understands the economy, and he shares my belief that skills training and inequality are central issues that government needs to tackle."
On Wednesday afternoon, Wright announced he plans to step down from BCIT effective February 27.

"I have consistently said over the past five years that being president of BCIT was the best job of my career and I have always meant that, and continue to believe so. Having said that, I have spent much of my career in the Public Service and there are some positions that one feels obliged to take if they are offered, and this is one such opportunity," Wright said in a news release.
"I humbly believe I am leaving BCIT in a good place and I am sincerely confident that BCIT's unique value to BC society will be increasingly recognized and invested in going forward."

Wright, who has been president of BCIT since 2008, has a masters in economics from the University of British Columbia and a PhD from Harvard.
In addition to being president of BCIT, he is also chair of Polytechnics Canada, a national alliance of research-intensive, publicly-funded colleges and institutes of technology.

A premier's deputy minister is the most senior bureaucrat in the provincial public service, overseeing the government's senior management team.
Premier Christy Clark's deputy minister since taking office has been John Dyble.Wright has significant government experience, having previously been deputy minister of finance, forests, trade and investment, and education in the Saskatchewan and British Columbia governments.

From 1997 to 2001, Wright was vice-president of Weldwood Canada, a forest products company with more than $1 billion in annual sales.
Wright also served on the federal Expert Advisory Panel on Canada's International Education Strategy, which issued its final report in August 2012.
  • 0
Posted Image

#18 TOMapleLaughs

TOMapleLaughs

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,696 posts
  • Joined: 19-September 05

Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:24 PM

Damn i was hoping that brilliant Ndp leadership will tap the magic money tree to make all of our services better again. And all union workers will be happy again. And everything will be super nice with hardly any government waste or scandal.

No, no, the union BOSSES will get a huge handout. Not the unions themselves.
  • 1
Posted Image

#19 thedestroyerofworlds

thedestroyerofworlds

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,786 posts
  • Joined: 11-July 07

Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:37 PM

Damn i was hoping that brilliant Ndp leadership will tap the magic money tree to make all of our services better again. And all union workers will be happy again. And everything will be super nice with hardly any government waste or scandal.

No, no, the union BOSSES will get a huge handout. Not the unions themselves.

As opposed to big business getting huge handouts this past decade.
  • 2

#20 TOMapleLaughs

TOMapleLaughs

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,696 posts
  • Joined: 19-September 05

Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:59 PM

No it makes more sense just to watch the Ndp collapse in on itself again.

Telling the leftist Ndp voting base to go frack themselves is a great start. What's next? Oh right. It's Dix. So nothing.

He'll be out before he even has a chance to establish himself. Question is if the Libs get their crap together by then. Not that it matters. By then everyone will have forgotten about 'the atrocities' they've committed while being so annoyed by the Ndp's inability to do anything and the myriad of scandals Dix and his crook cronies will be stuck in that even Christy Clark will start to look vote-worthy. (A stretch, i know.)

Edited by TOMapleLaughs, 16 March 2013 - 07:05 PM.

  • 0
Posted Image

#21 Common sense

Common sense

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 21,679 posts
  • Joined: 08-January 06

Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:42 PM

No it makes more sense just to watch the Ndp collapse in on itself again.

Telling the leftist Ndp voting base to go frack themselves is a great start. What's next? Oh right. It's Dix. So nothing.

He'll be out before he even has a chance to establish himself. Question is if the Libs get their crap together by then. Not that it matters. By then everyone will have forgotten about 'the atrocities' they've committed while being so annoyed by the Ndp's inability to do anything and the myriad of scandals Dix and his crook cronies will be stuck in that even Christy Clark will start to look vote-worthy. (A stretch, i know.)


If Dix does win 2013, expect Clark to go back to CKNW.
  • 0

#22 Harbinger

Harbinger

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,198 posts
  • Joined: 12-October 05

Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:43 PM

No it makes more sense just to watch the Ndp collapse in on itself again.

Telling the leftist Ndp voting base to go frack themselves is a great start. What's next? Oh right. It's Dix. So nothing.

He'll be out before he even has a chance to establish himself. Question is if the Libs get their crap together by then. Not that it matters. By then everyone will have forgotten about 'the atrocities' they've committed while being so annoyed by the Ndp's inability to do anything and the myriad of scandals Dix and his crook cronies will be stuck in that even Christy Clark will start to look vote-worthy. (A stretch, i know.)



Or just like what happened in the states with Obama. They actually prefer him to what was the previous regime and they keep them.
  • 2

Posted Image


#23 Gross-Misconduct

Gross-Misconduct

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,479 posts
  • Joined: 15-December 07

Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:51 PM

No it makes more sense just to watch the Ndp collapse in on itself again.

Telling the leftist Ndp voting base to go frack themselves is a great start. What's next? Oh right. It's Dix. So nothing.

He'll be out before he even has a chance to establish himself. Question is if the Libs get their crap together by then. Not that it matters. By then everyone will have forgotten about 'the atrocities' they've committed while being so annoyed by the Ndp's inability to do anything and the myriad of scandals Dix and his crook cronies will be stuck in that even Christy Clark will start to look vote-worthy. (A stretch, i know.)


The boogeyman cometh!! LOL

Keep drinking the Liberal kool-aid.
  • 0
Posted Image

#24 CanuckClown

CanuckClown

    Comets Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 373 posts
  • Joined: 07-August 12

Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:07 PM

How about we let the BC NDP speak for itself?


The Constitution of the New Democratic Party of British Columbia


PREAMBLE


The New Democratic Party believes that social, economic and political progress in Canada can only be

assured by the application of democratic socialist principles to government and the administration of public affairs.


The principles of democratic socialism can be defined briefly as follows: a) the production and distribution

of goods and services shall be directed to meeting the social and individual needs of people and not for

profit, B) the modification and control of the operations of monopolistic productive and distributive

organizations through economic and social planning, towards these ends, and c) where necessary, the

extension of the principle of social ownership.


The New Democratic Party holds firm to the belief that the dignity, freedom and equality of the individual
is a basic right that must be maintained and extended.

The New Democratic Party is proud to be associated with the democratic socialist parties of the world and to share in the struggle for peace, international co-operation and the abolition of poverty.


Sounds like "a left socialistic leaning party" to me.


As compared to the BC Liberal party constitution:

(2) The principles of the Party are:


(a) a belief in supporting the rights, freedoms and dignity of all British

Columbians and encouraging their responsible participation in forms of social

organization which articulate a common interest;


( B) a belief in the rights of citizens to democratically elect government;


(c ) a belief in the rights of every person to own and enjoy property and whereby

private property will be protected by law and may not be taken without just

cause and full and fair compensation;


(d) a belief that every individual is equal before and under the law and has the

right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination

and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic

origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability;


(e) a belief in the freedoms

(i) of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press

and other media of communication;


(ii) of peaceful assembly;

(iii) of conscience and religion;

(iv) of association;

(v) to participate in a free private enterprise system and to enjoy the fruits of

labour to the greatest possible extent;


(f) a belief in the commitment to achieve a fair-minded and prosperous society by

means of a sustainable, competitive and compassionate free enterprise system,

in which individual initiative is balanced by protection of the rights, freedoms

and dignity of all individuals, and which is qualified to sustain vital services to

those in need;


(g) a belief that government must be responsive to the needs of the people of the

province, and must seek their responsible participation in the economic and

social development of British Columbia;


(h) a belief in the responsibility of the people of British Columbia to

(i) personally provide for themselves, their families and their dependants

and collectively by government to care and provide for the needs of

people who are unable to care and provide for themselves;

(ii) direct government to act sustainably to ensure future generations have

similar social, economic and environmental opportunities;


(i) a belief in the principles of universal public access to health care and education

and public support for those in need;


(j) a belief in the responsibility of government to

(i) promote the general well-being of the people by enacting legislation

which reflects the will of the people;

(ii) operate sustainably such that future generations will have similar

economic, social and environmental opportunities, which requires

government to operate with a balanced budget void of deficit financing;

(iii) be fiscally prudent and therefore to limit taxation;


(k) a belief in the democratic process


Sounds like a centre right coalition government protecting private property, promoting free enterprise and exercising fiscal prudence while limiting taxes, i.e. not "a left socialistic leaning party" like the BC NDP.


Thank you for proving two points: first, you don't have the first clue about socio-economic principles; and second, you can't construct an argument to save your life. You rely on words that appear intuitive to your self, and those who do not accept them are deemd idiotic in your elitist opinion.

A waste of band width like I have never witnessed before.

EDIT: and just so I'm clear, you felt the need to reply to my post without ever answering my question. You quote, then make an uneducated response: again, with a point that is seemingly self-evident to yourself, but idiotic to anyone who has the first clue about politco-economic issues.

To spell it out futher for my uninformed elitist friend - "socialism" has been described by many as the final epoch of humanity whereby there is no private property and so on..."left" tendencies are, to some (not me) aligned with people who side with labour, more state driven enterprise an so on. So I ask again. WTF does left socialistic policies even mean???

Come on Wet...find me some pre-fabricated quote that can answer for you.

Edited by CanuckClown, 16 March 2013 - 10:38 PM.

  • 3

#25 Gross-Misconduct

Gross-Misconduct

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,479 posts
  • Joined: 15-December 07

Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:20 PM

Thank you for proving two points: first, you don't have the first clue about socio-economic principles; and second, you can't construct an argument to save your life. You rely on words that appear intuitive to your self, and those who do not accept them are deemd as idiotic in your elitist opinion.

A waste of band width like I have never witnessed before.

EDIT: and just so I'm clear, you felt the need to reply to my post without ever answering my question. You quote, then make some uneducated response: again, with a point that is seemingly self-evident to yourself, but idiotic to anyone who has the first clue about politco-economic issues.

To spell it out futher for my uninformed elitist friend - "socialism" has been described by many as the fional epoch of humanity whereby there is no private property and so on..."left" tendencies are, to some (not me) aligned with people who side with labour, more state driven enterprise an so on. So I ask again. WTF does left socialistic policies even mean???

Come on Wet...find me some pre-fabricated quote that can answer for you.


Posted Image
  • 2
Posted Image

#26 TOMapleLaughs

TOMapleLaughs

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,696 posts
  • Joined: 19-September 05

Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:17 AM

Is that NDP popcorn? You'll need some Liberal kool-aid so your throat doesn't get too dry.

(What's sad is that these are our only two choices. Ms. Unvoteworthy vs. The Crook.)
  • 1
Posted Image

#27 canucks since 77

canucks since 77

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,646 posts
  • Joined: 05-February 11

Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:57 AM

The whole o.p is laughing because the N.D.P is going to inherit the Con\Liberals mess. Thanks for nothing. :picard: I think the people of B.C might surprise you with their patience, they know the NDP won't be able to clean up this disaster over night. Perhaps the jokes on you?
  • 0
Politeness is the first step to respect!

#28 Common sense

Common sense

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 21,679 posts
  • Joined: 08-January 06

Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:24 AM

The whole o.p is laughing because the N.D.P is going to inherit the Con\Liberals mess. Thanks for nothing. :picard: I think the people of B.C might surprise you with their patience, they know the NDP won't be able to clean up this disaster over night. Perhaps the jokes on you?


Just remember to blindly support the NDP through salary cuts, job layoffs, and increased taxation. Like Obama's America, you can only blame the previous administration for so long...

What are the odds the same group of people that support the NDP will be the first ones walking off the job, organizing rallies in Victoria, and crying to the media because their saviour Adrian Dix failed to deliver. When the faithful union duepayers see their salary stagnating even in the era of Dix and their hours cut back, they can only blame Clark for so long. At least we know what we're expecting with the BC Liberals - wait till Dix and the NDP do a 180 from their campaign spin.
  • 0

#29 Gross-Misconduct

Gross-Misconduct

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,479 posts
  • Joined: 15-December 07

Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:43 AM

Just remember to blindly support the NDP through salary cuts, job layoffs, and increased taxation. Like Obama's America, you can only blame the previous administration for so long...

What are the odds the same group of people that support the NDP will be the first ones walking off the job, organizing rallies in Victoria, and crying to the media because their saviour Adrian Dix failed to deliver. When the faithful union duepayers see their salary stagnating even in the era of Dix and their hours cut back, they can only blame Clark for so long. At least we know what we're expecting with the BC Liberals - wait till Dix and the NDP do a 180 from their campaign spin.


Typical Liberal supporter response...foresee the future. Anything to escape the reality of the present, eh?

Funny, every Liberal supporter either turns into a history teacher or a clairvoyant.

Keep drinking the kool-aid.
  • 0
Posted Image

#30 Armada

Armada

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,975 posts
  • Joined: 03-February 08

Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:49 AM

Typical Liberal supporter response...foresee the future. Anything to escape the reality of the present, eh?

Funny, every Liberal supporter either turns into a history teacher or a clairvoyant.

Keep drinking the kool-aid.


You're a comedian.

Keep up the great jokes!
  • 1
Posted Image
______________Eat, Sleep,Posted ImageRave, Repeat




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Canucks.com is the official Web site of The Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks and Canucks.com are trademarks of The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership.  NHL and the word mark and image of the Stanley Cup are registered trademarks and the NHL Shield and NHL Conference logos are trademarks of the National Hockey League. All NHL logos and marks and NHL team logos and marks as well as all other proprietary materials depicted herein are the property of the NHL and the respective NHL teams and may not be reproduced without the prior written consent of NHL Enterprises, L.P.  Copyright © 2009 The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership and the National Hockey League.  All Rights Reserved.