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#31 wallstreetamigo

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:35 AM

because most people watch the games as fans and not as analysts. they only see the result and trust the opinions of out of touch media with an agenda rather than actually watching and seeing how a team is playing.

management says the team is as good as 2010-11?

the coaching staff says the team is where they expected?

the only issue acknowledged by the team captain is the broken powerplay?

media lumps the canucks into a vague and arbitrary category of "elite" teams?

the cup is ours!


This......the only thing worse than having the team stinking this badly in this many areas of the game is having management, coaches, and players pretend like it is not happening.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:52 AM

This......the only thing worse than having the team stinking this badly in this many areas of the game is having management, coaches, and players pretend like it is not happening.


The fact that its so blatantly obvious is the worst part. Defensively this team is far cry from where it should be (currently 14th in GA), and the power play is sitting at 15% for the season having only scored 8 power play goals all out of 53 chances. In almost every other category the Canucks are "middle of the pack", but those two will kill a team - especially in the playoffs. Game in and game out its evident they need more help than what the coaching staff is currently giving.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:02 AM

Positivity <3


you can be positive, but you have to be realistic as well. this group has struggled for the majority of the season...and their powerplay is evidence of that. yes, you just have to make the playoffs, but if they continue to play this poorly...they are not going to go far. (remember, LA has hot going INTO the playoffs). We haven't really shown we can compete. Well maybe against teams that can't find the back of the net.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:32 AM

Nashville got bombed by Calgary too, and we played horribly in that game. It's been around a month of average play now and we're 7th in the league, borderline missing the playoffs.

That being said I believe the Canucks have the best chance to win a Cup this season than ever before and here's why:

- We have better depth than ever before, and better than most teams. Henrik, Daniel, Raymond, Higgins, Hansen and Burrows are all on pace for a 20 goal season over a full 82 game schedule. That's not even including Kesler and Booth who would be if they were healthy all season. That's 8 20-goal scorers, meaning we'd have a couple of 20 goal scorers on our 3rd line. If you look back at all the Cup winners, they all had 20-goal scorers on their 3rd line. Boston did. We didn't (Torres, Malhotra and Hansen, Hansen had 15).
- We have many more big, physical power forwards. Guys who can score but also hit. Namely Higgins, Kesler, Booth and even Hansen. You win Cups with these guys - not just guys who can hit but those who are great forecheckers and can score. That's not even mentioning Kassian, Lapierre and Pinizotto who are consistently throwing huge hits and all of whom are opportunistic scorers.
- We've got a MUCH bigger and more physical defence. Alberts, Garrison, Barker, Ballard and Bieksa are playing a very physical game this year and that's what you need in the playoffs to wear down opposing team's forwards. This is how Boston and Los Angeles throttled teams - by grinding them down physically, then scoring on an injured bunch of teams. If their forwards are broken down they can't score.
- We've got 2 great goalies, either of whom could catch lightning in a bottle at any time and go on a hot streak to win us a cup. AV is giving both guys a fair chance, it just takes one solid winning streak from either of them and they're both capable.

Right now the Canucks are much better suited for playoff hockey than regular season hockey. They're playing a much more grinding, physical game as opposed to the skill game they used to play, and it's a HUGE positive. I would much rather watch us get beaten by skill and speed right now, because in the playoffs checking is a lot tighter and opponents lose that element while we will thrive in that sort of environment. All we have to do is make the playoffs...
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:57 AM

All goalies have off games, and we happened to run into one and pop in a bunch of goals. But we'll have to play well more consistently before we can be considered "back".

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:28 AM

I didn't think we were back.

But I did think we were turning the corner. Maybe I was wrong but it is not easy when we keep getting injuries to know for sure. I don't think a team like the wings is the best team to meet when you are just getting some kind of form back.

As long as we try to keep our lines consistent, I still think we will squeeze into the playoffs.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:36 AM

Nashville got bombed by Calgary too, and we played horribly in that game. It's been around a month of average play now and we're 7th in the league, borderline missing the playoffs.

That being said I believe the Canucks have the best chance to win a Cup this season than ever before and here's why:

- We have better depth than ever before, and better than most teams. Henrik, Daniel, Raymond, Higgins, Hansen and Burrows are all on pace for a 20 goal season over a full 82 game schedule. That's not even including Kesler and Booth who would be if they were healthy all season. That's 8 20-goal scorers, meaning we'd have a couple of 20 goal scorers on our 3rd line. If you look back at all the Cup winners, they all had 20-goal scorers on their 3rd line. Boston did. We didn't (Torres, Malhotra and Hansen, Hansen had 15).
- We have many more big, physical power forwards. Guys who can score but also hit. Namely Higgins, Kesler, Booth and even Hansen. You win Cups with these guys - not just guys who can hit but those who are great forecheckers and can score. That's not even mentioning Kassian, Lapierre and Pinizotto who are consistently throwing huge hits and all of whom are opportunistic scorers.
- We've got a MUCH bigger and more physical defence. Alberts, Garrison, Barker, Ballard and Bieksa are playing a very physical game this year and that's what you need in the playoffs to wear down opposing team's forwards. This is how Boston and Los Angeles throttled teams - by grinding them down physically, then scoring on an injured bunch of teams. If their forwards are broken down they can't score.
- We've got 2 great goalies, either of whom could catch lightning in a bottle at any time and go on a hot streak to win us a cup. AV is giving both guys a fair chance, it just takes one solid winning streak from either of them and they're both capable.

Right now the Canucks are much better suited for playoff hockey than regular season hockey. They're playing a much more grinding, physical game as opposed to the skill game they used to play, and it's a HUGE positive. I would much rather watch us get beaten by skill and speed right now, because in the playoffs checking is a lot tighter and opponents lose that element while we will thrive in that sort of environment. All we have to do is make the playoffs...


I read that DUC but I must admit I'm mystified.

You seem to quote many of the players we had last year, when if you recall we not only won the PT but got our "big physical" asses handed to us in the playoffs.

I'm sorry I just don't see your logic, unless you are quoting some unknown law of physics that says the harder you suck in regular season the more likely you are to go deep and win the SC (providing you even make the playoffs)..........I'm not familiar with that law.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:02 PM

The only way we're going to change is if we make trades, we have injury prone forwards, a shaky defence corps with tons of depth not being used, and overall just bad chemistry. I wouldn't be surprised if AV went as well.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:37 PM

Nashville got bombed by Calgary too, and we played horribly in that game. It's been around a month of average play now and we're 7th in the league, borderline missing the playoffs.

That being said I believe the Canucks have the best chance to win a Cup this season than ever before and here's why:

- We have better depth than ever before, and better than most teams. Henrik, Daniel, Raymond, Higgins, Hansen and Burrows are all on pace for a 20 goal season over a full 82 game schedule. That's not even including Kesler and Booth who would be if they were healthy all season. That's 8 20-goal scorers, meaning we'd have a couple of 20 goal scorers on our 3rd line. If you look back at all the Cup winners, they all had 20-goal scorers on their 3rd line. Boston did. We didn't (Torres, Malhotra and Hansen, Hansen had 15).
- We have many more big, physical power forwards. Guys who can score but also hit. Namely Higgins, Kesler, Booth and even Hansen. You win Cups with these guys - not just guys who can hit but those who are great forecheckers and can score. That's not even mentioning Kassian, Lapierre and Pinizotto who are consistently throwing huge hits and all of whom are opportunistic scorers.
- We've got a MUCH bigger and more physical defence. Alberts, Garrison, Barker, Ballard and Bieksa are playing a very physical game this year and that's what you need in the playoffs to wear down opposing team's forwards. This is how Boston and Los Angeles throttled teams - by grinding them down physically, then scoring on an injured bunch of teams. If their forwards are broken down they can't score.
- We've got 2 great goalies, either of whom could catch lightning in a bottle at any time and go on a hot streak to win us a cup. AV is giving both guys a fair chance, it just takes one solid winning streak from either of them and they're both capable.

Right now the Canucks are much better suited for playoff hockey than regular season hockey. They're playing a much more grinding, physical game as opposed to the skill game they used to play, and it's a HUGE positive. I would much rather watch us get beaten by skill and speed right now, because in the playoffs checking is a lot tighter and opponents lose that element while we will thrive in that sort of environment. All we have to do is make the playoffs...


The problem is our defence is really lacking right now and if we consistently let in at least 3-5 goals a game we aren't going anywhere in the playoffs.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:56 PM

More than a trade, a complete shift in strategy attitude and effort. Basically a heart transplant.

One or two guys coming into the hierarchy of this team will do nothing. This team plays a soft, labotomised brand of hockey that has no identity. How do you bring new players into a team with no identity?

They're not fast enough or talented enough to play run and gun; they're not big enough to play like Boston and intimidate and push teams around, they're not a puck possession team. They're not gritty or tenacious. What exactly are they?


So in otherwords.

A coaching change.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 03:47 PM

DownUndaCanuck makes some good points. Los Angeles last year squeaked into the playoffs, and if anyone remember the '94 Canuck team, they barely made the playoffs also, but both of those teams were big, physical teams.

That being said, this team is pretty gutted down the middle. It's very hard to assess this team without our Selke-winning second liner, and with our defense/faceoff/pk specialist Malhotra anchoring the third line. Without real centres on the 2nd and 3rd lines, we have a lot of good parts (Hansen, Higgins, Raymond, Booth) but no pivot to give these guys the puck and create offense. Not to mention the way those two centres can shut down opposing lines.

I'm not saying I thought the Canucks were "back" after that lopsided Nashville win, but with Andrew Ebbet having the night he was, we had a second line- at least that night, and that made a difference to how the team looked. But Ebbet doesn't look like a long-term solution to our centre woes, and even having a healthy Kesler back still leaves us in need of one for our third line. So I think that a trade has to be the way to go, I can't see another solution right now.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:27 PM

DownUndaCanuck makes some good points. Los Angeles last year squeaked into the playoffs, and if anyone remember the '94 Canuck team, they barely made the playoffs also, but both of those teams were big, physical teams.

That being said, this team is pretty gutted down the middle. It's very hard to assess this team without our Selke-winning second liner, and with our defense/faceoff/pk specialist Malhotra anchoring the third line. Without real centres on the 2nd and 3rd lines, we have a lot of good parts (Hansen, Higgins, Raymond, Booth) but no pivot to give these guys the puck and create offense. Not to mention the way those two centres can shut down opposing lines.

I'm not saying I thought the Canucks were "back" after that lopsided Nashville win, but with Andrew Ebbet having the night he was, we had a second line- at least that night, and that made a difference to how the team looked. But Ebbet doesn't look like a long-term solution to our centre woes, and even having a healthy Kesler back still leaves us in need of one for our third line. So I think that a trade has to be the way to go, I can't see another solution right now.


To be like LA last year the Canucks have to make a midseason coaching change and a major trade.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:42 PM

CDC during a bad stretch of games


In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:23 PM

team is inconsistent and not good enough
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:24 AM

you can say "its ok guys, lets be positive" all you want

The cold hard truth is that this group is simply not good enough to win the cup. Something needs to change and I think the only way this will happen is via trade


You have to decide whether the talent is good enough, or not.

You can trade players when their value is minimal due to team performance, or you can fire the GM that delivered such weak talent to the coach, or you can fire the coaches that can't get anything out of this brilliant talent.

Now in my humble opinion, we have had some decent players here that were misused by AV. Hodgson whom he all but called a malingerer in public, Grabner whom he wouldn't play with talented players after he scored a brilliant hat-trick. Ballard - whom he wouldn't play at all for years, and the story goes on. So, MG had a choice, fire the coach, or trade the players - remember that young players are far more easily traded. MG backed his flawed coach, and therein lies the problem.




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