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#61 disisdayear

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:19 PM

1. Fire Newell Brown
2. Fire Rick Bowness
3. Fire Alain Vigneault
4. Hire coaches who are willing to use the right players on the PP and build a strategy around the players they have rather than trying to fit the players into the pre-determined strategy.

Come to think of it, #4 would also help with team defense and consistent scoring.


That's actually what we're doing right now...why do you think there's so much cycling down low along the wall? That's the part of the ice in the offensive zone the Sedins excel.

We need to create more open ice for the Sedins so that they can do other things they do well (i.e., passing and setting up, because shooting ain't it)...one way to do this is force the box to collapse down low with two guys in front of the net. This should create lanes for the one point man, opportunities for tip ins, rebounds, etc. But most importantly, it will allow for the Sedins to create plays closer to the hash marks than along the perimeter (which is what they're doing now).

Edited by disisdayear, 17 March 2013 - 08:44 PM.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:31 PM

We were at about 30% when Kes was healthy. Get him to one of those Swedish horse placenta places, or something.

It seems that because the PP failed in the SCF, that it was fundamentally flawed and needed changing. We've been trying all sorts of new crap since and it's been awful. Go back to the one that had us win the Western Conference with an economy of effort, there was nothing wrong with it.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:40 PM

we should trade elder for salo and Ballard and 2rd pick for erhoff

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:03 PM

Add Ryan Kesler back to the mix and our powerplay will greatly improve.

Two seasons ago when we had the top PP in the league, Kesler was involved in over 40% of our powerplay goals. And that doesn't even include the countless screens that he doesn't even get an assist for.

Basically, he's a shooter. Our powerplay is lacking a shooter that can get the puck on the net.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:25 PM

How to improve the PP:

-Fire AV and that idiot Newell Brown or whatever his name is.
-Take that bum Edler off the PP because he is too scared to shoot, and when he does, it gets blocked.
-Add someone who can actually skate the puck and move FAST. ***Keith Ballard***
-We signed Garrison for a reason, PUT HIM ON THE PP.
-Stop looking for the perfect pass, just shoot the puck, make the goalie make a save or two.

This isn't rocket science, but apparently for our coaching staff, we can't change anything, we have to just watch our PP suffer. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if we go 0 for 60 by the end of the month.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:40 PM

You can't score while passing. The only answer here is SHOOT THE DAMN PUCK! Put the stupid thing on net. It won't go in unless you try. How else can I say it? SHOOT THE DAMN PUCK! Oh wait I said that already.... Is it me or it this obvious?
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:47 PM

Crash the net, and look for garbage goals. And actually throw pucks on net.

Hard to score when you have the puck behind the net and all you do is cycle the puck.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

Henrik and Daniel need to be more aggressive shooting. Henrik has always been guilty of looking for the perfect pass but now Daniel is the same way.

Garrison and Ballard on the point could be the tonic for the 1st PP unit. Ballard is a fast skater who can carry the puck quickly (instead of wasting 45-60 seconds of each PP regrouping behind our own net and lumbering the puck slowly up ice - looking at you Bieksa and Edler), and create space to set up Garrison properly for the big one timer. Garrison's shot is a key to turning this PP around but he needs to be used properly on the PP and he needs the right kind of passer to enhance his effectiveness.

Hamhuis and Bieksa are both terrible passers for setting up Garrison for one timers unfortunately. Neither can hit the net either so are not ideal shooters on the PP. Edler refuses to one time the puck which leaves him with no option other than yet another pass to the side boards.

The coaching staff need to put their favoritism aside and do what is right for the team.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:08 PM

The Canucks as a whole need to hustle to loose pucks and rebounds too. I have rarely seen a team get beat so much while on the PP.....
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:13 PM

I am just gonna throw it out there but Raymond has about a third of our PP goals. With considerably less time on the PP as well.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:19 PM

Henrik and Daniel need to be more aggressive shooting. Henrik has always been guilty of looking for the perfect pass but now Daniel is the same way.

Garrison and Ballard on the point could be the tonic for the 1st PP unit. Ballard is a fast skater who can carry the puck quickly (instead of wasting 45-60 seconds of each PP regrouping behind our own net and lumbering the puck slowly up ice - looking at you Bieksa and Edler), and create space to set up Garrison properly for the big one timer. Garrison's shot is a key to turning this PP around but he needs to be used properly on the PP and he needs the right kind of passer to enhance his effectiveness.

Hamhuis and Bieksa are both terrible passers for setting up Garrison for one timers unfortunately. Neither can hit the net either so are not ideal shooters on the PP. Edler refuses to one time the puck which leaves him with no option other than yet another pass to the side boards.

The coaching staff need to put their favoritism aside and do what is right for the team.


Preaching to the choir here .. of course anything this obvious seems to escape this coaching staff .. AV is clutching his pencil like everyone else is clutching their stick ..
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:28 PM

To score a goal, you actually need to put the puck in the general direction of the net. Seems like the Sedins have fallen in love with making nothing but passes.

Oh, and Henrik might want to shoot every now and again.

Edited by tigbond, 17 March 2013 - 10:37 PM.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:31 PM

They acknowledged on the broadcast yesterday that they're over-thinking it. The simplest way to fix that would be to just get the puck on net. Because of this I want to see them try Hansen and Burrows/ Higgins with Hank, and separate the Twins. The team needs energy on the PP and those two should be able to make it work down low with Hank causing all kinds of problems working the puck.

Hansen - Hank - Burrows (The wingers work really well down low as well as in open ice, Hank can dish to them to finish)
Garrison - Bieksa (Two no-frills bombers from the point)

Raymond - Higgins - Daniel (Dan snipes from the right wing boards; Raymond can fly up the left and pick goalies apart)
Tanev - Edler (Chris just sets it up on a tee for Edler to smash on net)
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:34 PM

The Canucks PP has to make quick passes to move the PKers and goalie around and to aim at setting up one-timed shots and to shoot as often as possible to score, get rebounds and create chaos. But none of that is happening with the Canucks PP since the 2nd half of last season. The Sedins are not producing when they instead often help the PKers killing time by having the puck stop at their sticks, allowing the PKers and goalie lots of time to set up or re-set. Most of the Canucks passes are into the skates of teammates, not for one-timed shots. It is sick to watch the Canucks pointmen to pass the puck to each other over and over at the blueline, not to have a shot until they turn it over to give away short-handed chances. Garrison, Edler and Bieksa all have pretty good point shots and whenever pucks are passed to these guys, they should provide opportunities for quick releases.Once the puck gets past the first PKer, the PKers will be outmanned in attempts to get to the rebounds. More PP goals are scored on rebounds. All Canucks pointmen are too afraid to fire those one-timers.
The best solution for the Canukcs PP is to fire all 3 subpar coaches who seem to have run out of ideas on how to fix the PP. Having D.Sedin and Schroeder on the point when both are not known for their point shots had only given the opposition many more short-handed chances and a few SH goals against the Canucks. These guys should have been fired after the Kings series. The Canucks should get a coach who has the experience of winning it all.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:45 PM

His name is Jason Garrison, use him.

If he's not out there on a 5-on-3, you should be insta-fired. No excuse for NHL coaches to not make such an easy, obvious move.


AV is ruining him just like he's ruining Kassian and just like he ruined Ballard....

Edited by CupisAll, 17 March 2013 - 11:45 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:09 AM

I am just gonna throw it out there but Raymond has about a third of our PP goals. With considerably less time on the PP as well.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:29 AM

The opposition knows that the PP will consist of the Sedins cycling on the half wall from behind the net with an eventual pass to the point and a hopeful one timer. Pretty easy to defend if that's all there is.

When is the last time you saw a middle of the ice attack? When is the last time you saw a defenceman skate towards the net looking for a H. Sedin pass? All they have is the same old cycle plan and if you can muscle the Sedins off the puck, break up the cycle and shoot the puck down the ice, well, then it's time for the 2nd power play unit.

The PP has been the same since inception and the other teams have figured it out. The definition of insanity....doing the same thing over and over and expecting to get different results.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:09 AM

We were at about 30% when Kes was healthy. Get him to one of those Swedish horse placenta places, or something.

It seems that because the PP failed in the SCF, that it was fundamentally flawed and needed changing. We've been trying all sorts of new crap since and it's been awful. Go back to the one that had us win the Western Conference with an economy of effort, there was nothing wrong with it.


Big problem is that that PP had Ehrhoff carrying the puck up ice and manning the point, and Kesler was in the crease creating havoc. Ehrhoff's in Buffalo and Kesler's injured.

I agree with getting Kassian or Hansen to man the front of the net, and set up Garrison as the cannon at the point. We need net presence...Kassian would provide a bigger, tougher one than Hansen but I trust Jannik with the puck more in case he has to join a cycle. Garrison's shot is a weapon that needs to be utilized, not just because he's got a laser, but more so just because he's not afraid to shoot the damn thing.

Daniel especially needs to shoot more...on the PP it seems like he's not the shoot-first twin anymore, they both just pass the puck waiting to catch a break in the PKers, when sometimes you just got to make that break and create chances in front by either shooting (for a hole or for a rebound) or driving the net. The PP is so predictable right now, that the constant passing is not going to make the other team bite. They need to mix up formations, alternate between tic-tac-toe plays and relentless shooting galleries. It's usually not hard to stop what you know is coming.

I have faith they'll pick it up.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:49 AM

Fire the coach aka brown?!! It's been broken since the SCF!!!

This!
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:05 AM

SHOOT!

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:10 AM

How to improve the PP:

-Fire AV and that idiot Newell Brown or whatever his name is.
-Take that bum Edler off the PP because he is too scared to shoot, and when he does, it gets blocked.
-Add someone who can actually skate the puck and move FAST. ***Keith Ballard***
-We signed Garrison for a reason, PUT HIM ON THE PP.
-Stop looking for the perfect pass, just shoot the puck, make the goalie make a save or two.

This isn't rocket science, but apparently for our coaching staff, we can't change anything, we have to just watch our PP suffer. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if we go 0 for 60 by the end of the month.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:30 PM

Here is an idea, unfortunately our power play has become predictable in the sense that other teams know where the puck is likely going if one of the Sedins have it, its either going to Burrows or back to the point shot as with the second unit trying to set up the D-men ( as great as it is to see the D score). I think we should stop playing pass the puck and shoot more having the other forwards and everyone else just pick up the rebounds continually shooting ( i.e get the puck turn and shoot) in a cycle with little or no passing because the law of averages would be on our side then the more pucks you have going to the net the more chance you have to score. As well I think we would have more of a chance to score since more people would be taking shots, plus it would create a bunch of panic as well as chaos in the other end, that would easily translate to secondary chances.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 03:32 PM

Dare to be different and seperate the Sedins. Its not like their playing well together.
Or else do the right thing and fire the coaching staff.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:56 PM

Looks like coaching staff read this thread. Hansen and Garrison on the 1st unit.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:01 PM

When Kassian get's healthy, park his ass right in the crease on the first PP unit.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:49 PM

Most PKs are using speedy skilled players with a big skilled guy in front and get in the shooting lanes. With that in mind I propose that we need to spend more time passing the puck around the "perimeter". When we do finally get the puck to the point, the d-man needs to take a good long look before he passes to the other d-man. When that occurs it is very important for the d-man to stop the puck and take a big a windup as possible in order for the opponents to close the lanes. When he finally does shoot it is important that he shoots as high as possible so we can't get a deflection or a rebound. Plus he might get the bonus of injuring one of our own players. Under no circumstance should the d-man take a quick low wrister. That has the potential to create deflections and rebounds and we can't have that. Also, we should never carry the puck to the net while converging with several other players. This might result in out-manning the pkers and create scoring chances; that would be crazy!!!
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