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#1 The Dark Knight

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:25 PM

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When I say this I mean that we're pretending to be contenders when the core of our team has simply run it's course in terms of being "elite". Like Iginla, the Twins are on the decline, but play well enough to help make this team contend for a playoff spot and will possibly do so for the next few years. Making the playoffs is different than winning in the playoffs and with the team we have assembled now we'll be having 1st round exits much like Calgary did after their cup run.

We're tied up in so much salary that there is little room to inject new blood and retool/rebuild properly. A lot of dead weight/poor contracts.

Like Calgary, our defense core is getting older, slower and their level of play has just dropped considerably. It's a little overrated in that sense and we've got way too much money tied up in a core that's all underachieving minus Tanev.

Like Calgary our Prospect pool isn't in the greatest shape. Only real potential stud is Nicklas Jensen but he might be a few seasons away from being a real solid NHLer.

Like Calgary, we're stubborn in accepting change. Whether it be come a coaching staff or the type of player personnel that we acquire. MG has done a piss poor job since after the cup run in managin our assets and acquiring the right pieces. It's quite clear to see that our team is being out coached on a nightly basis.

The Canucks management have to rebuild now!A good season to start is this year when it's a shortened season. New blood is important to keeping an organization fresh and it's clear that the coaching staff and certain players have worn our their welcome. We're an extremely stale, boring and predictable hockey team with no edge or swagger. This core is a fragment of the 2011 team and it's quite obvious that it's not just a slump.

I don't want to be like Calgary where they have nothing to look forward to for the near future because they made terrible decisions when it was the proper and justified time to rebuild. Canucks are heading down that path with relying on the Twins and having long term contracts in place to older players past their prime. We need to rebuild this team and it's core because they've ran their course.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:26 PM

I like your imagination.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:29 PM

I don't think they are there yet, but this is what really scares me. I don't want to watch the Canucks play year after year going for 8th spot while having little to no young stars to enjoy watching.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:30 PM

I for one am not scared in making a change. Even if that change is the core of the team.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:32 PM

pretty hard to rebuild when half the team has ntcs. guess we'll just have to be like Calgary. :shock:
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:33 PM

If there are no drastic changes in 2 years in terms of young talent (assuming no cup) i feel we should start to rebuild when our high end players have a high value.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:34 PM

I don’t think we’re quite where Calgary is at the moment (although we may be in a few years). I honestly think that the main problem is that everyone (coaches, management, players) has gotten too comfortable where they are and seem content on just plugging away rather than trying to achieve more. In my mind the only way to change that is to make an earth shattering change of some sort to shake the team out of their slumber (via trade, firing, etc). This team can (and should) play better than they are right now and in my mind they need a wakeup call that mediocrity is not good enough and will not be accepted.
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#8 The Dark Knight

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:34 PM

glad i'm not getting flamed right off the bat. This is a serious question that should be debated
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:35 PM

Should have enjoyed the good times a lil more, eh? ;)
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:36 PM

Funny what a true number one Dman can do for your team. I sure noticed Ryan Suter out there way more than Zach Parise tonight.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:37 PM

Yea a big prblem is the way MG hands out NTC. Going to have a hard time moving the few tradeable assets we have when they all have NMC.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:37 PM

Slow down, we're not there yet.

We're riddled with injuries and were under performing. Remember the 07/08 season? A couple of moves and some firings (hopefully) will put this team back on track, it's not like the Sedins are approaching their forties, they're arguably the most durable players in the league.

There's just no urgency right now. A change in coaching or the lineup will fix that, but a complete overhaul isn't necessary yet.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:42 PM

I think we are a few years away from that. If we had a healthy roster we'd probably still be 1st in the NW, unfortunately we aren't healthy. I think Management has faith that when Kesler gets back this team will turn around making them afraid to make changes...but if we keep trending this way our players will start losing confidence and then only changes would fix this team....
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:43 PM

might be a good idea to copy them. they have a cup.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:50 PM

Yes, we're clearly Calgary - but with more rain! We really don't need everyone to make their own "this is what's wrong with the Canucks" thread.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:51 PM

got a good point dark knight, but the difference is we won 4 straight division titles on top of 2 straight presdients trophies. Calgary did not even come close to any division titles during the same time. The Canucks on paper, are very good team, and they still are. (injuries have gotten to us) Calgary, not so good. Not even that, MIke Gillis is a superior GM to Sutter/Feister.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:03 PM

I completely agree that this is the time to start the rebuild, this team just seems to have too many holes that need to fill in our roster paired with our lack of high end prospects.

In my opinion, now is an optimal time to start the rebuild since the shortened season means more teams are still in the race to make the playoffs thus there will be less sellers at the deadline making any available players cost a premium, paired with the strength of this upcoming draft.

Also if we wanted to move a defensman, Edler NTC doesnt come into affect until July 1st, who would still fetch a good return since he is a 50pt defensman at a modest 5mil a year contract despite his defensive play currently.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:12 PM

Slow down, we're not there yet.

We're riddled with injuries and were under performing. Remember the 07/08 season? A couple of moves and some firings (hopefully) will put this team back on track, it's not like the Sedins are approaching their forties, they're arguably the most durable players in the league.

There's just no urgency right now. A change in coaching or the lineup will fix that, but a complete overhaul isn't necessary yet.

This. Totally agree

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:16 PM

The difference is our core was entering their prime back in 07/08 while most of them are on the decline from age and injury
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:19 PM

This team was done when AV convinced Gillis we needed the 3rd line as a checking line over a scoring line and that we needed to be big and tough over softer and highly skilled. Canucks really over reacted to the SCF lost and now we're declining and no cup to show for it. I can't say I fault Gillis a 100% as after that lost everyone from the fans, media and even his own coach told him how this team needs to get tougher and bigger and less skilled, he listened and now it's looking like the next best option would be to blow the core and do a quick rebuild, if you can convince Sedins and/or Kesler to waive at this stage you'll retool very quickly with the kind of return they'd bring back, hell I would even consider trading Schneider at that point. Gillis should have made a big move last year after being out in the 1st round, he needed to send a message to the core, he didn't and this is the out come. IF this team misses or does poorly in the playoffs then the way I see it this core at it's shot and failed and blow it up in the offseason, this should be the last straw for this core, no more excuses, raise and stay or fall and go.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:20 PM

This season is very quickly turning into a serious gong show.

- The goalie debate
- Kesler injured every time he steps on the ice
- The overpayments of several players (Ballard, Booth, etc)
- Losing arguably the best faceoff man in the game for the year
- AV shrugging off any notion of adversity

It sucks. But then again, I thought we were having no hockey this year.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:21 PM

I don't think they are there yet, but this is what really scares me. I don't want to watch the Canucks play year after year going for 8th spot while having little to no young stars to enjoy watching.

what do you call Kassian and Schroeder and tanev?
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:22 PM

This season is very quickly turning into a serious gong show.

- The goalie debate
- Kesler injured every time he steps on the ice
- The overpayments of several players (Ballard, Booth, etc)
- Losing arguably the best faceoff man in the game for the year
- AV shrugging off any notion of adversity

It sucks. But then again, I thought we were having no hockey this year.

we did not loose the best face off man in the game, we forced him out of the game, shamelessly
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:23 PM

I don't think we're there yet.

IMO the Sedins will stay playing at a pretty good level for longer because they don't rely on their skating as much as other players do.

I think you could make an argument that Kesler is our MVP and he hasn't played a single game this year healthy.

I also think that AV needs to go. I think it's finally time. I think a new coach would do wonders for our guys. Get them to work harder and new systems would make our team less predictable.

I think you could start making the argument that we're turning into Calgary when you see the results that we're seeing now with a fully healthy team and with a new coach. Then I'll start being concerned.

I'm also very interested to see how this team looks next year. I believe that Schneider or Lu will be moved in the off season and both Ballard and Booth will be bought out. I think we might start to see an injection of youth in our lineup next year because of the low cap. I could see Connauton getting an opportunity and Schroeder making the team. Maybe Jensen? Gaunce also has an outside shot. And maybe if he's ready we could see Lain as our 4th line centre.

We're not Calgary. I can see the danger of us turning into Calgary but I honestly don't see it happening. I trust Gillis and believe that he will make the right moves for this team going forward.

Edited by Nas19, 18 March 2013 - 11:24 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:24 PM

At this point I'd rather take Cammi and Kipper over anyone else on our roster.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:25 PM

got a good point dark knight, but the difference is we won 4 straight division titles on top of 2 straight presdients trophies. Calgary did not even come close to any division titles during the same time. The Canucks on paper, are very good team, and they still are. (injuries have gotten to us) Calgary, not so good. Not even that, MIke Gillis is a superior GM to Sutter/Feister.


Why did we lose the in the SCF? the reason... injuries.... why did we lose in the 1st round last year?.... injuries... why is this team doing crappy this year?.... injuries..... this team can as good as it wants on paper but if the players on that paper aren't in the lineup then it's a major problem and this is 3 years of excuses of injuries for the season.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:27 PM

tbh, we're nowhere close to being on calgary's level

this team has too much talent. we know how they can perform. we have an identical roster to start the season, but for some reason, we're suddenly fighting for our playoff lives

I'm still believing that brighter days are ahead, but with how teams are suddenly getting hot towards the end of this short season, and our flickering flame appears to be running dim, you can't really blame the fans for feeling uneasy with the teams performance as of late

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:29 PM

For anyone who thinks Gillis will can AV that is a pipe dream as their good buddies and apparently when Gillis signed his contract he told the owners if AV goes so does he as the owners were rumoured to want AV gone but believed in Gillis and kept him. Gillis will not fire AV, he'll blame this season on..... injuries.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:31 PM

This team has too much talent??? Where is it hiding? Overrated goaltending, no #1 defencemen- a bunch of #3 and #4, Sedins are past their peak (still very good but definitely trending down, look at the goals per game of daniel the last 3 years), Kesler has had 3 major reconstructive surgeries, a bunch of 3rd line wingers like Higgins, hansen, raymond... Is that elite level talent? is that Kopitar, carter, brown, doughty, quick talent??
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:33 PM

I lol when people say we have "too much talent"

Sedins
Burrows
Kesler
Hamhuis

There's our "too much talent" for you.
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