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#1 nitwitt

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:07 AM

Well, just past the half way of this shorten season, and it looks rather familar to the last half of the 2012 season. We're a .500 team at best, but we as fans and the media are expecting so much more. There is a real possibility that the Canucks don't even make the playoffs so what needs to be done right now to get this mess back on the tracks. Here are the first few things I would do ASAP.
1.Roberto Luongo stays, deal Corey Schnieder :( love Corey but this team needs to maximize assets.
2.Fire A.V. he's had a great run, probably one of the finest coaches we've had, but watching the last 30-40 games it has become clear that the team(players) have checked out.
3.Mayson Raymond stays, seals up 2nd line LW. Plays with Kesler and Kassian on the Right side when he gets back.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:11 AM

1. Trade Lu not Schneider
2. AV stays
3. Trade Raymond and make a Booth - Kesler - Kassian line
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:17 AM

Lets come last in the league and draft #1.

Go Wild Go!

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:20 AM

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1. Trade Lu not Schneider
2. AV stays
3. Trade Raymond and make a Booth - Kesler - Kassian line


How the heck is there anyone that still supports AV???
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:28 AM

Over this and last season I've swallowed so many tough pills with this team... its not even funny.

We are a below average team with tons of holes and no prospectives in patching. We traded our prospects and future stars for bunch of plugs...
Even if Kesler comes back and we pull some magic to get another player which can help this team, I don't see how we can go far since they will be the targetted players... This team is lacking some serious depth...

I dont understand management to be honest...
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:29 AM

Well, just past the half way of this shorten season, and it looks rather familar to the last half of the 2012 season. We're a .500 team at best, but we as fans and the media are expecting so much more. There is a real possibility that the Canucks don't even make the playoffs so what needs to be done right now to get this mess back on the tracks. Here are the first few things I would do ASAP.
1.Roberto Luongo stays, deal Corey Schnieder :( love Corey but this team needs to maximize assets.
2.Fire A.V. he's had a great run, probably one of the finest coaches we've had, but watching the last 30-40 games it has become clear that the team(players) have checked out.
3.Mayson Raymond stays, seals up 2nd line LW. Plays with Kesler and Kassian on the Right side when he gets back.



Sedin Sedin Burr
Hansen Ebbett Raymond
Higgins Lappy Pinnizotto
Sestito Schroeder Weise

Really? you're expecting more from this group? The fact that they're still in the playoffs is amazing.
Take LA for example, now remove Carter Richards and Penner and you'll have a team that will struggle to win.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:35 AM

How the heck is there anyone that still supports AV???


Did you already forget he took us to the Stanley Cup Finals and maybe its not him whos the problem?
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:39 AM

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Did you already forget he took us to the Stanley Cup Finals and maybe its not him whos the problem?


The guy has no passion behind the bench. Get your damn gum out of your mouth and start getting pissed off.

Just seeing that guy behind our bench bugs me, he's a limp noodle.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:42 AM

Did you already forget he took us to the Stanley Cup Finals and maybe its not him whos the problem?


Unfortunately it's a business of what have you done for me lately. Getting us to a Stanley Cup Final two years ago is a moot point now.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:51 AM

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Did you already forget he took us to the Stanley Cup Finals and maybe its not him whos the problem?

LOOK AT THE TEAM HE HAD IN FRONT OF HIM

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Raymond - Kesler - Samuelsson
Higgins - Malhotra - Hansen
Torres - Lapierre - Glass

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Ehrhoff
Ballard - Salo

Luongo
Schneider

Almost all players had career years

Now look at our current line up

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Raymond - Ebbett - Hansen
Higgins - Lapierre - Weise
Sestito - Schroeder - Pinizzotto

Hamhuis - Garrison
Edler - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

Schneider
Luongo

Now take a glance at Ottawa's roster. Both Spezza and Karlsson are injured and Anderson was for a while, and they're still finding ways to win, which mainly has to do with their coach. Swap Maclean with Vigenault and I'm sure we would be in a comfy position right now.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:52 AM

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Sedin Sedin Burr
Hansen Ebbett Raymond
Higgins Lappy Pinnizotto
Sestito Schroeder Weise

Really? you're expecting more from this group? The fact that they're still in the playoffs is amazing.
Take LA for example, now remove Carter Richards and Penner and you'll have a team that will struggle to win.


Detroit beat us 8-1 with 5 or 6 call-ups due to injuries.

Ottawa has more serious injuries than us (Spezza, Karlsson, Anderson) and has remained competitive and is in every game.

This team is too happy to allow adversity to give it a reason to fail. Starts with managment. AV and MG have dismissed and actually ridiculed fan expectations and criticsims. AV laughing off how fans were concerned about "how
the Nucks wer winning down the stretch last year. Well...who was right then and now?

IN response to fan concerns this year (earlier on) that the team was not playing well MG saying the fans expect too much and that they should be happy with how good a team this is. Really MG?!! Who appears to have been right again.

WIth AV and this team, there is always an excuse...inuries, reffing, travel, back to back games, early game...The problem is, they lack leadership and accountability. They have become accustomed to mediocre effort and results and no longer have the drive to dominate teams or control the tempo of a game.

Like Tony Gallagher said, they are waiting. ALways waiting for something to happen to them. A trade. a coaching change, a return of an injured player, someone to step up and play hero, the goalies to steal a game....

It's hard to watch what was a very good hockey team stumble around and embarrass themselves with all this crap.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:58 AM

Did you already forget he took us to the Stanley Cup Finals and maybe its not him whos the problem?


Did he win? Yeah this team went to the cup finals ONCE and beyond the first round 1 other time. He's big time underachieved with this talent group. We've had some really good players come through here on his watch and he's more concerned about making them fit "The System" then maximizing the talents those players have.

To all those pointing to his regular season win's and two Presidents Trophy's can you just stop please? All of that is meaningless.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:02 AM

Detroit beat us 8-1 with 5 or 6 call-ups due to injuries.

Ottawa has more serious injuries than us (Spezza, Karlsson, Anderson) and has remained competitive and is in every game.

This team is too happy to allow adversity to give it a reason to fail. Starts with managment. AV and MG have dismissed and actually ridiculed fan expectations and criticsims. AV laughing off how fans were concerned about "how
the Nucks wer winning down the stretch last year. Well...who was right then and now?

IN response to fan concerns this year (earlier on) that the team was not playing well MG saying the fans expect too much and that they should be happy with how good a team this is. Really MG?!! Who appears to have been right again.

WIth AV and this team, there is always an excuse...inuries, reffing, travel, back to back games, early game...The problem is, they lack leadership and accountability. They have become accustomed to mediocre effort and results and no longer have the drive to dominate teams or control the tempo of a game.

Like Tony Gallagher said, they are waiting. ALways waiting for something to happen to them. A trade. a coaching change, a return of an injured player, someone to step up and play hero, the goalies to steal a game....

It's hard to watch what was a very good hockey team stumble around and embarrass themselves with all this crap.


So much win in this post.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:32 AM

Did you already forget he took us to the Stanley Cup Finals and maybe its not him whos the problem?


I think you give AV far too much credit. "He took us to the Stanley Cup Final"? By the same token he almost lost the quarter-final to Chicago that same year. Game 7 OT after being ahead in the series 3-0, Burrows without a doubt saved AV's job 2 years ago with that goal.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:37 AM

The guy has no passion behind the bench. Get your damn gum out of your mouth and start getting pissed off.

Just seeing that guy behind our bench bugs me, he's a limp noodle.


How'd that work out last time? He got a bench penalty for standing on the bench and yelling, "that's a penalty!"..
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:40 AM

Did he win? Yeah this team went to the cup finals ONCE and beyond the first round 1 other time. He's big time underachieved with this talent group. We've had some really good players come through here on his watch and he's more concerned about making them fit "The System" then maximizing the talents those players have.

To all those pointing to his regular season win's and two Presidents Trophy's can you just stop please? All of that is meaningless.


Then why are you complaining so much now that we're not at the top of the league? This is the meaningless part, so you should wait until the playoffs before crying the blues.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:41 AM

Wow is this hard to watch. I find it hard to stomach how little backbone this team has. I am so tired of seeing this team get physically run out of it's own building. At some point Gillis has to wake up and realize that the team HE assembled is nowhere near good enough. When is Gillis going to be held to account for his many errors? We use to own our house and had teams adjust to our game. Sadly that is now history.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:44 AM

Then why are you complaining so much now that we're not at the top of the league? This is the meaningless part, so you should wait until the playoffs before crying the blues.


How many times have we come short already in the playoffs with him at the helm? The definition of insanity, continueing to do the same thing and expecting different results.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:48 AM

LOOK AT THE TEAM HE HAD IN FRONT OF HIM

Sedin - Sedin -Burrows
Raymond - Kesler - Samuelsson
Higgins - Malhotra - Hansen
Torres - Lapierre - Glass

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Ehrhoff
Ballard - Salo

Luongo
Schneider

Almost all players had career years


I put a line through all the guys who were injured in the playoffs. Btw, it was the year before our entire second line had a career year.

Now look at our current line up

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Raymond - Ebbett - Hansen
Higgins - Lapierre - Weise
Sestito - Schroeder - Pinizzotto

Hamhuis - Garrison
Edler - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

Schneider
Luongo


Now take a glance at Ottawa's roster. Both Spezza and Karlsson are injured and Anderson was for a while, and they're still finding ways to win, which mainly has to do with their coach. Swap Maclean with Vigenault and I'm sure we would be in a comfy position right now.


Ottawa has 4 wins in their last 10 games while we have 3 wins in the last 10.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:52 AM

Well, just past the half way of this shorten season, and it looks rather familar to the last half of the 2012 season. We're a .500 team at best, but we as fans and the media are expecting so much more. There is a real possibility that the Canucks don't even make the playoffs so what needs to be done right now to get this mess back on the tracks. Here are the first few things I would do ASAP.
1.Roberto Luongo stays, deal Corey Schnieder :( love Corey but this team needs to maximize assets.
2.Fire A.V. he's had a great run, probably one of the finest coaches we've had, but watching the last 30-40 games it has become clear that the team(players) have checked out.
3.Mayson Raymond stays, seals up 2nd line LW. Plays with Kesler and Kassian on the Right side when he gets back.


Agree. However I'd like to see another bonafide second liner that has proven to put out 20-25+ goals a year on a consistant basis to play with Kesler. Raymond is good, but has his off years, Kassian is still greatly unproven. Higgins, Hansen, while good, aren't full time 2nd liners.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:53 AM

Ottawa has 4 wins in their last 10 games while we have 3 wins in the last 10.


Ottawa has their #1 goalie #1 Center and Norris winning D-man out among others, what's our excuse?

and please don't say our injuries are comparable because they aren't even close

Edited by Primus099, 19 March 2013 - 01:54 AM.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:54 AM

How many times have we come short already in the playoffs with him at the helm? The definition of insanity, continueing to do the same thing and expecting different results.


Did you actually expect a deep run last playoffs with Kesler injured, Raymond not producing since the back injury, Booth not producing since the knee injury and Daniel out with a concussion? I wrote last years playoffs off before they even started.

Btw, by your standard Detroit should have fired Bowman after back to back first round exits with the likes of Yzerman, Fedorov, Hull and Lidstrom on the team. Because, you know, it should be easy to have a deep playoff run every year.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:19 AM

To the posters who still believe that AV is the right fit here, and just needs a healthy team, and a few pieces provided by MG. And are asking the question, " What if we fire AV and we end up with the same results?" Well I guess that same question could be posed in regards to bringing in different players, What if we bring in what we perceive to be the answer, or answers, at positions of need. and end up with the same results?
IMO MG has travelled that road, and the end result hasn't been successful, wrong players? maybe, but again he has brought in players that were successful on other teams, and once landing here have lost the success they once had.
How many bad contracts or perceived bad contracts are we gonna saddle this team with before we realize that maybe just maybe the answer was right there all along, and won't cost us any more cap space.
We are so willing as fans to have a rotating door for players to move in and out, but yet fight tooth and nail to keep a coach that is struggling the last 1.5 yrs. Now that is what doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:42 AM

Sedin Sedin Burr
Hansen Ebbett Raymond
Higgins Lappy Pinnizotto
Sestito Schroeder Weise

Really really that's the line up you go with come on AV. :picard: Ebbet over Schroeder and Lappy. A preschooler knows more on how to set a line up. What was the point of bringing back JS to play on the fourth? Yes you have a weaker line up but really!
AV and his staff just got to go along with their Ebbet and numerous other project players.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:55 AM

Sedin Sedin Burr
Hansen Ebbett Raymond
Higgins Lappy Pinnizotto
Sestito Schroeder Weise

Really really that's the line up you go with come on AV. :picard: Ebbet over Schroeder and Lappy. A preschooler knows more on how to set a line up. What was the point of bringing back JS to play on the fourth? Yes you have a weaker line up but really!
AV and his staff just got to go along with their Ebbet and numerous other project players.


it would make absolutely no difference which line any of those players were slotted into. thats an ahl lineup no matter how you shake it.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:06 AM

Did he win? Yeah this team went to the cup finals ONCE and beyond the first round 1 other time. He's big time underachieved with this talent group. We've had some really good players come through here on his watch and he's more concerned about making them fit "The System" then maximizing the talents those players have.

To all those pointing to his regular season win's and two Presidents Trophy's can you just stop please? All of that is meaningless.


He's taken us beyond round one every single year of his tenure except for two.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:15 AM

i seriously doubt this team will make the playoffs at this rate.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:16 AM

it would make absolutely no difference which line any of those players were slotted into. thats an ahl lineup no matter how you shake it.


That line up is crap. I was complaining even two years ago that we were lacking talent and now it's really obvious. I think MG was originally great at putting together a good group of players and fostering an environment that players could succeed in. Honestly, I don't think anyone could have done a better job than MG did at the beginning of his tenure. He took a team predicted to finish last into the playoffs, and kept us there up till now. However, it seems to becoming completely obvious that MG lacks the high end knowledge to make this team a bruiser in the playoffs. I would say that part of the cup run was the fact that it was the 40 year anniversery, a very special time and all the players played 110%. Now they realize we are not built proplerly to succeed in the playoffs. Guys like Torress and Glass were very important to the team.

Having said that I believe that MG realizes he hasn't played this year right but now his hands are tied. He's basically got to wait until the summer when we can figure out the right goalie to move and address the many holes on this team. Unfortuntately for Canuck fans we will have trouble wasting this year. However, I don't think MG put much into the strike shortened season to begin with.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:18 AM

Hey ..... maybe playing Chicago in the 1st round p/off may stoke some belly-fire in them and create some surprises. After-all, it's hockey and any team can win or lose on any given nite. That said, we should be happy even if they only get passed the 2nd round p/off, or even the 3rd. But honestly, they don't deserve to be in the p/off !!
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:28 AM

Lets come last in the league and draft #1.

Go Wild Go!

Go wild???? You're on the wrong board my friend.

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