Vansicle Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Teams always want to fire the coach when it's tough sledding. How about playing up to the monumental combined salaries you are supposedly worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I wonder if Alain even goes into the dressing rooms between periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 That's an NHL coach, personified. He won it all with the Lightning, so that style still works in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 It's not working for Torts right now.... Also, people here are complaining about AV calling out his players, such as Coho. Tortorella has made a career out of doing that, even to players like Vinny Lecavalier and Marian Gaborik... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 This season is a good test to see if AV is really a good coach or not, if he relies on star players to carry his coaching career. For years myself and others have said this team has been stacked, and any decent coach could coach this team to a presidents trophy. I still stand by that, because people would say we're lucky to have him, any other team would take AV in a heartbeat. Well this team isn't as stacked this year with injuries, and it sure doesn't look like AV can coach with out all the star players. If AV was that great of a coach with the injuries we have had, he would find other ways to win. Well he can't seem to figure it out, he is a horrible coach and relies on star players to carry his coaching career, he can't get the job done when he is missing those pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 If we hire Burke as GM, I'm pretty sure he'd try and get us Mackinnon at the upcoming draft. We have some pieces he could use to do just that. Mr. Aquillini, please bring back Brian Burke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 That's an NHL coach, personified. He won it all with the Lightning, so that style still works in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaBestPlaceOnEarth Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 No, Vigneault is not to blame, the roster is just not good right now. Losing Manny and Kesler hurts so much more than people realize, this is a puck possession style team with no solid faceoff guys, can't have that. Put the blame on Gillis before you put it on Vigneault, if you're the blaming sort which I am not. That said, the roster is not as good as it's been the past couple seasons. Out: Ehrhoff, Samuelsson, Salo, Torres, Glass, Hodgson, Rypien, Rome, Malhotra...in: Kassian, Garrison, Weise, Schroeder, Ebbett, Barker, Sestito, Booth. That's a lot of talent that has not been replaced. Ehrhoff+Salo+Rome >>> Garrison+Ballard+Tanev+Barker Glass+Torres+Rypien >>>Weise+Sestito+Volpatti/Pinizotto Hodgson+Samuelsson ??? Kassian+Booth (if healthy, but for now >>>) No Kesler, no Manny, no starting goalie (pick one already!) The problem is people are still expecting the results of two, three years ago with this team that is not the same team. Now when those results aren't delivered, you want the coach fired? That's not reasonable. Look at all the talent that's been bled off since then, whether through age, trade, or contract demands, or untimely death, or free agency, it's not the same team, this is a transitional period here. Apart from that one winning streak it's been a lousy season, but it is a bizarre season and to go making decisions, major decisions based on this season is unwise. Some decisions that were put off last season can still be made now, like picking a goalie, or doing something about Ballard and his contract, but for the most part this season should never have even happened. A smart thing to do would be to dump salary for draft picks, it's a great draft this season and our prospect situation is not great. Ballard for pick(s), goalie for picks/prospects, maybe Raymond or Alberts too although Raymond has been really good. Get some draft picks, that's what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 How many times in a season can you trot this out though. Even Fergie only lost it now and again (booting a boot which hit Beckam and opening his eyebrow.....and he was so furious he didn't even apologise) Let's face it everyone has to find the system that works best for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 No, Vigneault is not to blame, the roster is just not good right now. Losing Manny and Kesler hurts so much more than people realize, this is a puck possession style team with no solid faceoff guys, can't have that. Put the blame on Gillis before you put it on Vigneault, if you're the blaming sort which I am not. That said, the roster is not as good as it's been the past couple seasons. Out: Ehrhoff, Samuelsson, Salo, Torres, Glass, Hodgson, Rypien, Rome, Malhotra...in: Kassian, Garrison, Weise, Schroeder, Ebbett, Barker, Sestito, Booth. That's a lot of talent that has not been replaced. Ehrhoff+Salo+Rome >>> Garrison+Ballard+Tanev+Barker Glass+Torres+Rypien >>>Weise+Sestito+Volpatti/Pinizotto Hodgson+Samuelsson ??? Kassian+Booth (if healthy, but for now >>>) No Kesler, no Manny, no starting goalie (pick one already!) The problem is people are still expecting the results of two, three years ago with this team that is not the same team. Now when those results aren't delivered, you want the coach fired? That's not reasonable. Look at all the talent that's been bled off since then, whether through age, trade, or contract demands, or untimely death, or free agency, it's not the same team, this is a transitional period here. Apart from that one winning streak it's been a lousy season, but it is a bizarre season and to go making decisions, major decisions based on this season is unwise. Some decisions that were put off last season can still be made now, like picking a goalie, or doing something about Ballard and his contract, but for the most part this season should never have even happened. A smart thing to do would be to dump salary for draft picks, it's a great draft this season and our prospect situation is not great. Ballard for pick(s), goalie for picks/prospects, maybe Raymond or Alberts too although Raymond has been really good. Get some draft picks, that's what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 We need a coach who does this as often as is necessary to wake this team up....as opposed to our coach who seems to be okay with everything about this team while he waits for the bounces to go our way..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puckanuck Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 The problem with the Canucks is that their play has become too predictable to opposing teams and coaches, who are implementing effective strategies to counter it. The Sedin cycling with Burrows on the power play is a case in point, where even the fans can anticipate the positions and passes in advance. No wonder it is not working as well as it used to. The same applies to the defence. AV and his coaching is so rote it is in a rut, and everyone has seen it all before and has now learned how to defend against it. Playing favourite combinations on the power play is a tired rerun, much like the PK. There is little innovation and risk, let alone opportunities for the newer players to get experience and confidence in showcasing their skills in a crunch. Especially now, mid-way through a shortened season with failing performances, it is time to change the old, predictable plays, player combos and lines to shake things up and give fresh blood a chance – even behind the bench or above it looking down. And a shake up should start with some intelligent trades and call-ups while there is still time to prep for the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Whether a style of coaching works or not has just as much to do with where the team as a whole is though. Torts approach is not working in NY for the same reasons that AV's is not working anymore in Van. I think this team needs someone who holds them accountable that way no matter who they are. This team needs some emotion and some direction. Is Torts the right guy for the job (as an example)? Who knows. He is a pretty extreme example.....lol. But a guy like that who gets this team back to the basics of competing for 60 minutes and out hustling their opponents is EXACTLY what this team needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 It's been well documented that he never sets foot in that room...that it's the players "sanctuary". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Wow! Why didn't MG or AV think of this?! Just tell the players to play up to the level of their salaries. It's so obvious that no-one but you could identify it! The answer was right in front of their rich, elite, lazy-snob noses the entire time. Better yet, why don't they pay their butlers and gardeners and pool boys to play for them?! I mean, those guys are all blue collar and would truly appreciate the opportunity. Thank you for opening my eyes! Just tell the lazy millionaire bums to try harder. That is so brilliant it has to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 No it hasn't. If it's so "well documented" post a source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I actually saw it on a Canuck TV episode (either last season or the one prior). The crew were taking a tour of the facilities at the arena with AV and at one point while walking to coaches offices he made the comment that he didn't go into the players room as it was "their" space. So maybe "well documented" was a poor choice of words on my part, but it was a direct quote from AV on well viewed program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 And I have on several occasions seen video of him leaving the dressing room. Was it empty every time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I've played for guys like Torts. For some guys it works, while others merely tune him out. Still others are so afraid of making the coach mad, they can't do anything right. Personally, I'll take the calm, collected coach every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I've played for guys like Torts. For some guys it works, while others merely tune him out. Still others are so afraid of making the coach mad, they can't do anything right. Personally, I'll take the calm, collected coach every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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