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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:28 AM

There are numerous studies and informal questionaires of criminals that say that they fear armed citizens more than the police, and that certainly doesn't stop being the case in the home.

I myself have thwarted a robbery attempt and even a likely bear mauling just by presence of a gun, you just cannot discount the deterrent effect.


Are you saying a bear recognized that you had a gun and ran off?

What's that smell?
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:30 AM

Most of the deaths in the home are probably suicides, U.S. homicide figures period are greatly inflated by the inclusion of suicides.

Anyways, most of these antigun studies ultimately lead back to folks with who will personally gain from the banning of guns and who are in no hurry to give up their own guns or armed guards...


Most important part of your argument in bold. At least the most telling part of it.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:37 AM

Are you saying a bear recognized that you had a gun and ran off?

What's that smell?


Ask any hunter how game animals get progressively more wary as hunting season progresses.

Many animals learn very quickly when it comes to the threats and rewards of dealings with man. Mice learn to recognize and avoid being taken by mousetraps, for example.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 09:35 AM

Ask any hunter how game animals get progressively more wary as hunting season progresses.

Many animals learn very quickly when it comes to the threats and rewards of dealings with man. Mice learn to recognize and avoid being taken by mousetraps, for example.


I'm a hunter. Never had an animal run away from me because I raised my gun. I've had them run away when I make noise but never just from raising or holding my gun.

So yeah i don't need to ask a hunter; I am a hunter and your comment that an animal can discern what a gun is is bull****.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:29 AM

I'm a hunter. Never had an animal run away from me because I raised my gun. I've had them run away when I make noise but never just from raising or holding my gun.

So yeah i don't need to ask a hunter; I am a hunter and your comment that an animal can discern what a gun is is bull****.


How many of the animals did you come across would have been able to see what you were doing anyway? This was a bear maybe 50 feet away in fairly open ground, not some skittish deer or whatever.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 01:03 PM

Nice. Public officials get involved in a cover up.


Another turn in baby shooting saga: commissioner arrested


By Ashley Fantz, CNN
updated 3:04 PM EDT, Fri March 29, 2013
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Sherry West, whose baby was shot to death in his stroller.


STORY HIGHLIGHTS

  • NEW: The city official is related to the family of one of the murder suspects, his wife says
  • NEW: Attorney: James Henry Brooks wasn't trying to interfere with investigation
  • Two Brunswick, Georgia, teenagers have been charged with murder
  • The aunt, mother and sister of a suspect have been accused of hindering the investigation
(CNN) -- The investigation into the shooting of a baby in Brunswick, Georgia -- a crime that's grabbed national headlines -- has taken yet another turn with the arrest of a local politician.
The arrest stemmed from a verbal exchange between Brunswick City Commissioner James Henry Brooks and the family of one of the teen murder suspects during the suspects' first court appearance on Monday.
According to his attorney, Brooks told the family of De'Marquise Elkins, 17, that they didn't have to talk to police.
"What he was trying to do, at the point and time that he was approached here at the courthouse, was just tell these folks you have a right to remain silent," Brooks' attorney Alan Tucker told reporters Friday.
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Brooks is a distant relative of the Elkins family, his wife, Alicia Brooks, told CNN. She did not know exactly how they are related.
The 59-year-old commissioner was charged with influencing a witness and obstructing law enforcement in an investigation, the Glynn County Sheriff's Office said. Brooks was arrested Thursday, posted $5,000 bond and left jail Friday afternoon.
Tucker said his client was not trying to interfere with the investigation.
"I don't know why he spoke with the Elkins family other than the fact that they are constituents of his," the attorney said. "The public defender's office put a statement out earlier in the week, and I think that there were many people in the community who maybe thought that these two young men had not committed the crime with which they are charged with, and evidence has come to light and the gun was found."
Under the terms of his bond, Brooks is not allowed to have any contact with the victims, witnesses, potential witnesses, and investigators involved in the investigation of the murder of 13-month-old Antonio Santiago, who was killed March 21.
The child's mother, Sherry West, has said that two teenagers came up to her in the street in broad daylight. One pointed a gun at her and told her that if she didn't give him her money he would shoot her and shoot her baby.
West said that the teen fired at her, hitting her in one leg and barely missing her head. The teen, she said, then shot her baby in the face.
Elkins and Dominique Lang, 15, have been charged with murder. Elkins' mother, aunt and sister have also been arrested on various charges alleging that they have hindered the investigation.
The sister, 19-year-old Sabrina Elkins, was arrested on an evidence tampering charge, the Glynn County Sheriff's Office said.
She was named in a grand jury indictment, released Wednesday, accusing her of helping her mother get rid of the gun authorities say was used to kill the child.
Authorities did not reveal her alleged role in disposing of the gun, which police found in a pond 2.3 miles from where the baby was shot.
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2...led/index.html" target="_blank">Baby's death marks second time mom loses a son to violence
Sabrina Elkins "was part of that, and that's the most I can answer of that question right now," Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering said Thursday.
The grand jury also indicted Elkins' mother, Karimah Aisha Elkins, 36, and aunt, Katrina Latrelle Elkins, 33, on charges of making false statements or writings, among other things.
None of the women is accused of involvement in the shooting itself.
The same grand jury that indicted the women also named De'Marquise Elkins and Lang as being involved in the shooting, prosecutors said.
Elkins is accused of malice and felony murder, along with other charges. Lang is accused of felony murder.
Although Lang is a minor, CNN is identifying him because he is charged as an adult and media in the community have been naming him since his arrest.
Investigators are looking into the possibility of a gang tie to the shooting, Doering said.
"That's being explored, whether a gang involvement was part of this," he said. "And that's all that I can say right now."
Doering declined to say whether more arrests were possible as the investigation continues
West gave this account to police about the shooting:
One of the boys pointed a gun at her and said, "'Give me your money or I'm going to kill you and I'm going to shoot your baby and kill your baby.'"
The boy tried to grab her purse and opened fire when she told him she had no money. One shot hit her in the leg and one grazed her head. The boy then shot the child.
West tried to resuscitate her son as bystanders called 911 for help.
Mom to teenage son accused in baby shooting: 'I love you'


http://www.cnn.com/2...byshootarrest3p

Official corruption hits a new low. I thought politicians and the judicial system were supposed to be an arm's length apart.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 01:18 PM

How many of the animals did you come across would have been able to see what you were doing anyway? This was a bear maybe 50 feet away in fairly open ground, not some skittish deer or whatever.


And that bear had no idea you had a gun and if it did it wasn't the gun that scared it away...it was your presence that scared away. The bear did not look at you to see if you had a gun to decide if it was going to attack you or not.

You keep making these assumptions as the basis for an argument. I say again...your argument stinks like a pile of skittish deer crap. Perhaps it was the smell that chased the bear away?

BTW I've been bear hunting as well...not just skittish deer hunting. The very idea that you're arguing a bear saw that you had a gun and based on it being able to tell that you had a gun it decided to run away is ridiculous even for you. If I pull a gun on my dog do you think he'll run away because he knows what a gun is?

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 02:14 PM

And that bear had no idea you had a gun and if it did it wasn't the gun that scared it away...it was your presence that scared away. The bear did not look at you to see if you had a gun to decide if it was going to attack you or not.

You keep making these assumptions as the basis for an argument. I say again...your argument stinks like a pile of skittish deer crap. Perhaps it was the smell that chased the bear away?

BTW I've been bear hunting as well...not just skittish deer hunting. The very idea that you're arguing a bear saw that you had a gun and based on it being able to tell that you had a gun it decided to run away is ridiculous even for you. If I pull a gun on my dog do you think he'll run away because he knows what a gun is?


It had to have been able to tell what we were before we got a good look at it.

Animals figure out threats and rewards based on context pretty quickly, I've had deer pass within less than an arm's length of me, in a place where humans are probably no threat to them, not so much in other circumstances.

It veered off when I held the gun up, whether it recognized the shape or the smell, it wasn't until that point where it lost it curiosity.

Anyways, how many times have you shot your dog or shot other dogs in its presence, wild animals have a lot more reason to be wary of human actions than pets.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:13 AM

It had to have been able to tell what we were before we got a good look at it.

Animals figure out threats and rewards based on context pretty quickly, I've had deer pass within less than an arm's length of me, in a place where humans are probably no threat to them, not so much in other circumstances.

It veered off when I held the gun up, whether it recognized the shape or the smell, it wasn't until that point where it lost it curiosity.

Anyways, how many times have you shot your dog or shot other dogs in its presence, wild animals have a lot more reason to be wary of human actions than pets.


What a ridiculous rambling of nonsense and big fish stories.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:15 AM

What a ridiculous rambling of nonsense and big fish stories.

Florid delusions, fantasies and hallucinations - best to see a medical professional skilled in treating such disorders. ::D
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:04 PM

chances are more high that she shot the kid herself. Probably tossed the gun in a storm drain. Should've checked her injuries and hands for residue
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