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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:21 AM

Thank god we didn't claim him.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:25 AM

I'm very surprised.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:31 AM

Im very suprised he wasn't claimed, I thought he would have been a good fit here, I'm guessing his $3 million cap hit scared everyone off.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:34 AM

I'm a little unclear on the waiver process. Is there something stopping MG from claiming Jokinen now and then turning around and putting him back on waivers at the end of this year?


Some people get confused and think scoring in a shootout means you are a good hockey player. Reality is he's a horrible 5v5 player. Wouldn't even be in the NHL if it wasn't for special teams, and the fact that Carolina has had no depth since they won the cup.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:39 AM

I think it's due to the cap issues, and GM's are focused on the deadline right now.
MG's gots dis!
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:45 AM

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Jokinen and Wallace (both CAR) clear, BOS claims Kaspars Daugavins from OTT on waivers.

Boston claimed Daugavins, and we already know Jokinen cleared. I'm still surprised he wasn't claimed, unless there's something in his play that made teams worry about his $3M cap hit next year. With Gillis still strongly in the hunt for Laganiere, it might be a worry about contracts coming up to the deadline in case he takes a few players back for one better player (wonder who that might be?).

Carolina already said they won't be sending him down, so the next step will likely be discussing the trade option more with teams. Perhaps they take back a depth contract to help with the limit and/or keep some of his cap hit (say ~$1M) so a team will take him off their hands.

But back to us and why we wouldn't claim him, I still wonder if Lain is being considered. I'm sure they want to give him a good run of starts in Chicago, but he's done well so far and could come up and play 4C. That means Lappy at 3C and Schroeder at 2C until Kesler's back. Ebbett could go back down to help the Wolves (they're struggling in the top 6 a little with both Ebbett and Schroeder called up) and we get to see what Lain's made of.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:47 AM

For a supposed "horrible" player he's put up 163 points in 230 games in the previous three seasons...
A lot better then some of our players (booth). Haven't watched the Canes play in a while though so I have no idea what's going on with him.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:49 AM

I think it's due to the cap issues, and GM's are focused on the deadline right now.
MG's gots dis!


How much cap space does the team have right now with all the injuries?
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:52 AM

I guess something else is in discussion for MG.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:01 AM

I'm a little unclear on the waiver process. Is there something stopping MG from claiming Jokinen now and then turning around and putting him back on waivers at the end of this year?


He could do that but if he goes unclaimed we still carry his contract next year. No more cap breaks for 1-way contracts in the minors
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:02 AM

Wow, this is totally bizzare. Surely some bottom-feeder with cap space would have wanted this guy: it's not that bad of a contract. Maybe now there will be a trade, though, like happened with SOB a few years back when he cleared waivers, so that the team that takes him gets to offload something too. I sure hope something better is in the pipeline for us ...
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:04 AM

For a supposed "horrible" player he's put up 163 points in 230 games in the previous three seasons...
A lot better then some of our players (booth). Haven't watched the Canes play in a while though so I have no idea what's going on with him.


a redundant player that will not improve the team. Management believes he does not improve any of our positions by adding him, which is what I believe is true. He's not a top 6 player, kesler should be back soon. so whats the point of picking him up?
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:10 AM

If we claimed him u can say bye bye to either Raymond or Higgins...if he was a ufa at the end of the year then he would have been claimed Forsure but he isn't the answer at his price tag so I agree with mgs decision
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:45 AM

Some people get confused and think scoring in a shootout means you are a good hockey player. Reality is he's a horrible 5v5 player. Wouldn't even be in the NHL if it wasn't for special teams, and the fact that Carolina has had no depth since they won the cup.


This is so wrong I can't even begin to address it. Wow.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:51 AM

No worries. We're going after a bigger fish

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Now imagine a Pittsburgh vs Vancouver, Crosby vs Ovechkin Stanley Cup Finals... whoa $$$$$$ :frantic:

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:00 PM

Don't know why people are that surprised.

Jokinen is not a very good player. At least not at 3 million dollars.

Teams can get players similar to him for much cheaper.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:38 PM

Don't know why people are that surprised.

Jokinen is not a very good player. At least not at 3 million dollars.

Teams can get players similar to him for much cheaper.


because 163 points in 230 games at 3 million is pretty fair
That's nearly identical to Burrows in the last 3 seasons. Obviously Burrows brings ALOT more to the table but Jokinen is still a versatile player that can be very useful during the regular season. Not saying we should get him b/c when healthy we have no room for the guy, but i'm surprised no other team took a chance on him.

Edited by themcdeal, 27 March 2013 - 01:02 PM.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:40 PM

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:50 PM

Surprised no one picked him up. Solid top 6 forward
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:16 PM

How much cap space does the team have right now with all the injuries?

Roughly the same amount as before the injuries. We've been within $1.5-0.5M of the cap at any given time.

If you mean what kind of room would we have if we put some of our injured players on LTI, subtract the current cap space from the player's cap hit you want to put on LTI and that's how much we'd be able to exceed the cap by.

He could do that but if he goes unclaimed we still carry his contract next year. No more cap breaks for 1-way contracts in the minors

Well, minus the first $900K for players in the AHL. We could look at moving him, and he would qualify for a buyout if we solve most of our other issues through trades and the like. Still a concern bringing someone like him in though.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:21 PM

Shocked but I suppose that teams didn't put in a claim given that he is an offence-first player, not an addition that helps out a lot in the playoff grind.

Note that he was excellent for Carolina in 08/09 (last time the team made the show?)

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:14 PM

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:53 PM

wow im shocked he didnt get claimed. Especially by us he could have been used as a center for now def an upgrade over ebbett on 3rd line.

Maybe Gillis didnt want to take on salary to leave him with less at the deadline.

Carolina could use a depth d man, maybe we can still make a trade for him?

J. Jokinen

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Alberts
late pick or a contract dump for further roster space

Maybe this is what other teams were thinking as well. Cant believe we didnt make a claim to nab him for free though, Id really like to ask MG that question, hopefully a reporter does, would really like to hear his answer
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:19 PM

These kinds of deals do happen, although I would not give up Alberts, particularly when the price is at best a 7th round pick or Mullen type roster dump.
McGratton cleared waivers only to be dealt to the Flames shortly after.
Teams could be demanding to send back a roster spot/salary - although Carolina apparently values the roster spot more than anything at this point.
Going into the TD, it could be that the realistic destinations for Jokinen have bigger things in mind, or no room for him.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:55 PM

if ballard had a lower cap hit i could see Carolina being interested in him, but depends how their cap issues are going forward or their internal cap. Dont see them wanting a forward in return.

Still would like to see him here, if its a shot with kesler aswell as 2nd pp or even on the 3rd line thats good 2way play with scoring

higgins jokinen hansen-- loooks good to me
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:25 PM

With hindsight, reading this thread is funny. Shows once again that forum posters don't know more than GMs when they kept saying, wow why waive him when you can trade him for a draft pick. Looks like canes probably tried that and had no takers and him clearing waivers shows that teams didn't even want him for free.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:03 PM

ya i cant believe he is getting waived, and I was scrutinized when i posted raymond for him was an underpayment by us?

great 2ndliner who can play center, and awesome shootouts

But doubt he falls to us...maybe back to dallas?


Really? Is that why he got waived? Raymond for Jokinen is an over-payment by us.

Would you ever see Raymond getting waived? Don't be stupid. He's an okay 2nd line center on a bad team.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:50 PM

If we claimed him u can say bye bye to either Raymond or Higgins...if he was a ufa at the end of the year then he would have been claimed Forsure but he isn't the answer at his price tag so I agree with mgs decision

Don't know why people are that surprised.

Jokinen is not a very good player. At least not at 3 million dollars.

Teams can get players similar to him for much cheaper.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:04 PM

Really? Is that why he got waived? Raymond for Jokinen is an over-payment by us.

Would you ever see Raymond getting waived? Don't be stupid. He's an okay 2nd line center on a bad team.


Raymond being a no show every playoffs thats a cause for concern when he is apparently one of our better forwards.

We dont have a forward who can play top 6 or top 9 and play all 3 forward positions, help our struggling pp.

Would I trade a soft left winger who we probably cant retain in raymond for jokinen, yes I would. Jokinen is very versatile and you said he plays on a poor team so if he came here would he not be playing with better players?
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:47 PM

Raymond being a no show every playoffs thats a cause for concern when he is apparently one of our better forwards.

We dont have a forward who can play top 6 or top 9 and play all 3 forward positions, help our struggling pp.

Would I trade a soft left winger who we probably cant retain in raymond for jokinen, yes I would. Jokinen is very versatile and you said he plays on a poor team so if he came here would he not be playing with better players?


I'm not against acquiring Jokinen through waivers, but trading away any roster player, much less Raymond, one of our most productive forwards is pretty darn stupid.

And no, it means he would be getting quite a few less minutes playing on the Canucks, and possibly even scratched a lot of the time, especially when Kesler is back, and now you ask yourself would it really be worth trading away a player with the 2nd most goals on the team for a streaky shootout specialist who might be scratched most of the time? There is a reason he has been waived, it's because he has been playing poorly.

Would he be a good depth player on the 3rd line? Absolutely. Does it make sense trading away a roster player in order to acquire a depth player? No, no it doesn't.
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