elvis15 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I know right...like he's misusing Hansen now. And misused Burrows by putting him with the Sedins a few years back. Or how he's continually given Schroeder more ice time this year after the kid went out and earned it. Man. Hate it when coaches do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaches Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Speaking of shootouts, let's claim Daugavins for his toe of the stick move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wshdrvvn Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Speaking of shootouts, let's claim Daugavins for his toe of the stick move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlsson`s Flo Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I think he would be a perfect fit for the team without having to give anything up. We need a solid face off guy for our third line, he can play wing and center, and he can play the penalty kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Not a chance he falls to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 If MG doesn't have a trade close I would pick him up for depth.He would help us now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted March 26, 2013 Author Share Posted March 26, 2013 TheMinister... Teams below us that could use him or want him: Florida, Colorado, Calgary, Buffalo, Phoenix, Columbus, Dallas, Nashville, Winnipeg, New Jersey, Detroit, Toronto Basically almost all the teams below us could use him, But if he falls to our position in the pecking order, I hope MG put in a claim for him and we get him. Find out tomorrow at 9am, too bad im working so wont be responding here till this time. But thinks its fairly safe to say he gets claimed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 TheMinister... Teams below us that could use him or want him: Florida, Colorado, Calgary, Buffalo, Phoenix, Columbus, Dallas, Nashville, Winnipeg, New Jersey, Detroit, Toronto Basically almost all the teams below us could use him, But if he falls to our position in the pecking order, I hope MG put in a claim for him and we get him. Find out tomorrow at 9am, too bad im working so wont be responding here till this time. But thinks its fairly safe to say he gets claimed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Calgary should claim him. They already have a soft team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Dane Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 What's the downside. Booth and his 4.2M will be out for the rest of the season. Put him on LTIR and boom cap space. We out of all people should know the importance of depth come playoff time. Who knows how long Kesler will be out and Jussi can score, take face-offs, kill penalties and do shootouts for the next 20 or so games. He's depth and at centre it's huge. Right now Ebbett is our 3rd line center and who knows how well Schroeder will be integrated with the coaching staff for them to trust him as a 3rd line center come playoff time with Kes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I bet he goes to Nashville... They obviously need any scoring they can get & Jussi is a diverse player. Trotz will put him in situations he can handle Or maybe NYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Pretty sure we're near the bottom of the pecking order after snagging Sestito, but Jussi Jokinen is a seriously skilled player who doesn't belong on the waiver wire. No way he clears, this guy would be a boost to any team's 3rd line. The Canucks could desperately use him now, he's pretty versatile and can play on the wing as well which always helps. The last 2 Cup winners have had about 6 or 7 centers playing in their lineup at any one time, right now we only have 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoosh Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Come on already. I want to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPS Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Please grab if he drops to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Come on already. I want to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 If he drops to us (which I agree is unlikely), I'll be pretty disappointed if Gillis doesn't make a claim. Clearly, Jussi isn't the perfect player for the Canucks. He's not the prototypical 3rd line centre that can slot into the depth chart behind Kesler (once Kes is back). He's not big and he's not very good defensively. He's not effective in typical bottom-six roles. That all said, I was reading what Canes fans had to say about him and a few things stood out. First, many seemed to lament that Jokinen isn't all that great 5v5 and was more of a PP specialist who scores most of his points on special teams. Second, even though he dropped off their depth chart in Carolina, he was still their top faceoff man (in win percentage) and he was being used in all situations (5v5, PP, and PK). His numbers (5th highest forward in PKTOI/G) suggest he was drawing regular duties on the 2nd PK unit (I didn't realize he was a competent PKer). His faceoff percentage was 58.2% and he was #3 in total draws. 22 takeaways to 10 giveaways. Pretty good Corsi and Fenwick stats (like a 0.541 CorsiFor%--5th best on Canes). So what would the Canucks have in Jussi Jokinen? While not a physical player and generally considered "soft," he is quite sound positionally and very good with the puck. Doesn't make a lot of mistakes and seems able to protect the puck and support (team) possession through his skill rather than his strength. Very good on faceoffs. Excels on special teams, especially on the power play (something the Canucks need right now). Can be used at all 3 forward positions and can play in all zones and in all situations = versatility. Highly skilled with good offensive potential. Capable 2nd line centre replacement who also play a top-nine scoring role on the wing (just shouldn't be used in a checking or energy role). Also, not really "small" but more "average" sized (5'11", 200 lbs) who possibly plays a little smaller than he is (debatable). Around the NHL, pundits have been discussing just how hard it is for teams to make deals this season. The trades just aren't happening and no one seems to expect much excitement this deadline. Too many teams are in possible playoff pictures and too much concern over the cap going down next season. Few teams are looking to take risks, even if there are possible rewards. During the intermission of the last game, the local guys were talking about how the Canucks don't have the assets available to add anything significant through trade. It's quite possible that the Canucks won't be able to trade for a player all that much better than Jokinen (without really setting back their prospect pool). Even if the Luongo trade happens, there's some doubt as to whether or not a capable roster player will even be coming back (maybe just picks/prospects). Jokinen isn't perfect, but he helps fill a need. As to the $3 million cap hit next season, there are many options. It will probably be easier to trade him in the off season rather than in the current climate. People aren't looking to nab under-performing assets right now (even if they see potential value). However, Jokinen still has commodifiable talents and could net a modest return in a different climate (like the offseason). Maybe a minor pick/prospect, maybe even more, especially if he plays well in his new situation. Otherwise, if he's a total bust, it's possible to clear (roughly) 1/3 of his cap hit via burying in the minors, 2/3 via buyout, or the whole thing via compliance buyout. It's unlikely that, once we get into the offseason, the Canucks are unable to find partners for some of the trades (for Booth, Ballard, Luongo, etc. or whoever needs to go) and are forced to buyout every player with cap issues. They should be able to trade some of the extra parts and then buyout whatever remains. Look, I'd love to see the Canucks trade for a Jarret Stoll type centre, or a high-end scoring winger, or a top-four RH defenseman. That'd be great. Just don't see it happening, given the market right now. Maybe Gillis has something up his sleeve involving a goalie trade but that's about the only way this team adds anything much better than Jokinen, and there's no guarantee it happens. Jokinen is a free asset for whatever team claims him. If he comes available to the Canucks, they need to grab him. He doesn't fit perfectly or fill all the needs but he fits well enough and fill enough of the Canucks' needs to not let him pass by (if he falls that far, which is of course unlikely--but just for argument's sake...). And he's not garbage, even though he doesn't fit on the Canes. He got pushed out of the top-six, given the acquisitions (Staal, Semin) and the way the line chemistry worked out in Carolina's top six. They tried him as the 3rd line centre but were looking for a more defensive and physical presence. The Canes have 3 capable centres for their bottom six (Nash, Brent, and Hall) and, while none of them have Jokinen's offensive flair and skillset, all three are better at playing the type of game the Canes appear to want out of their bottom-six centremen. Jokinen just didn't fit anymore. Anyway, just a late night $0.02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 If he drops to us (which I agree is unlikely), I'll be pretty disappointed if Gillis doesn't make a claim. Clearly, Jussi isn't the perfect player for the Canucks. He's not the prototypical 3rd line centre that can slot into the depth chart behind Kesler (once Kes is back). He's not big and he's not very good defensively. He's not effective in typical bottom-six roles. That all said, I was reading what Canes fans had to say about him and a few things stood out. First, many seemed to lament that Jokinen isn't all that great 5v5 and was more of a PP specialist who scores most of his points on special teams. Second, even though he dropped off their depth chart in Carolina, he was still their top faceoff man (in win percentage) and he was being used in all situations (5v5, PP, and PK). His numbers (5th highest forward in PKTOI/G) suggest he was drawing regular duties on the 2nd PK unit (I didn't realize he was a competent PKer). His faceoff percentage was 58.2% and he was #3 in total draws. 22 takeaways to 10 giveaways. Pretty good Corsi and Fenwick stats (like a 0.541 CorsiFor%--5th best on Canes). So what would the Canucks have in Jussi Jokinen? While not a physical player and generally considered "soft," he is quite sound positionally and very good with the puck. Doesn't make a lot of mistakes and seems able to protect the puck and support (team) possession through his skill rather than his strength. Very good on faceoffs. Excels on special teams, especially on the power play (something the Canucks need right now). Can be used at all 3 forward positions and can play in all zones and in all situations = versatility. Highly skilled with good offensive potential. Capable 2nd line centre replacement who also play a top-nine scoring role on the wing (just shouldn't be used in a checking or energy role). Also, not really "small" but more "average" sized (5'11", 200 lbs) who possibly plays a little smaller than he is (debatable). Around the NHL, pundits have been discussing just how hard it is for teams to make deals this season. The trades just aren't happening and no one seems to expect much excitement this deadline. Too many teams are in possible playoff pictures and too much concern over the cap going down next season. Few teams are looking to take risks, even if there are possible rewards. During the intermission of the last game, the local guys were talking about how the Canucks don't have the assets available to add anything significant through trade. It's quite possible that the Canucks won't be able to trade for a player all that much better than Jokinen (without really setting back their prospect pool). Even if the Luongo trade happens, there's some doubt as to whether or not a capable roster player will even be coming back (maybe just picks/prospects). Jokinen isn't perfect, but he helps fill a need. As to the $3 million cap hit next season, there are many options. It will probably be easier to trade him in the off season rather than in the current climate. People aren't looking to nab under-performing assets right now (even if they see potential value). However, Jokinen still has commodifiable talents and could net a modest return in a different climate (like the offseason). Maybe a minor pick/prospect, maybe even more, especially if he plays well in his new situation. Otherwise, if he's a total bust, it's possible to clear (roughly) 1/3 of his cap hit via burying in the minors, 2/3 via buyout, or the whole thing via compliance buyout. It's unlikely that, once we get into the offseason, the Canucks are unable to find partners for some of the trades (for Booth, Ballard, Luongo, etc. or whoever needs to go) and are forced to buyout every player with cap issues. They should be able to trade some of the extra parts and then buyout whatever remains. Look, I'd love to see the Canucks trade for a Jarret Stoll type centre, or a high-end scoring winger, or a top-four RH defenseman. That'd be great. Just don't see it happening, given the market right now. Maybe Gillis has something up his sleeve involving a goalie trade but that's about the only way this team adds anything much better than Jokinen, and there's no guarantee it happens. Jokinen is a free asset for whatever team claims him. If he comes available to the Canucks, they need to grab him. He doesn't fit perfectly or fill all the needs but he fits well enough and fill enough of the Canucks' needs to not let him pass by (if he falls that far, which is of course unlikely--but just for argument's sake...). And he's not garbage, even though he doesn't fit on the Canes. He got pushed out of the top-six, given the acquisitions (Staal, Semin) and the way the line chemistry worked out in Carolina's top six. They tried him as the 3rd line centre but were looking for a more defensive and physical presence. The Canes have 3 capable centres for their bottom six (Nash, Brent, and Hall) and, while none of them have Jokinen's offensive flair and skillset, all three are better at playing the type of game the Canes appear to want out of their bottom-six centremen. Jokinen just didn't fit anymore. Anyway, just a late night $0.02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 MG, this is your chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winthecup Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Jokinen clears waivers and stays with the Canes .Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun now JUssi Jokinen cleared waivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 ..............Jokinen clears waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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