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#31 Coconuts

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 02:41 AM

I'm glad to hear we're rebuilding bridges, but I'm on the fence when it comes to jersey retirement.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 02:43 AM

Good. He deserves it, and when it happens the curse will be lifted and we can finally win our first cup. I hope it happens before this season ends.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:13 AM

Best Canuck ever. Had management not tried to run this team like it was still the 1950's and the players were nothing more than meat he would have played here until the end of his career.

Sometimes you ask for a trade when promises are not kept. 10 deserves to be on the roof.


Well said, he put up with a lot of BS, but finally got tired of it, I was really sad when his knees gave out and he quit the game. I have been watching hockey since the 60s and there never was a more exciting player to watch. He certainly gave us a lot of pride when he was here in Vancouver, we were dangerous every nite. All teams back then had goons to protect the star players, Bure wasn't afraid to mix it up either, he could bench press more than any other player on the team! My hats off to him, the most dangerous player ever, and I believe the best!

Go Canucks :canucks:

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:18 AM

Forget Jeff Cowan's going to the rafters. Rory Fitzpatrick is next.


Aaron Rome says high!
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:33 AM

I really hope so!
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:18 AM

Hate to break it to you, but professional sports is primarily a money making enterprise. Everything is about is ultimately to sell tickets, merchandise etc.. So relax and enjoy it.

We have a winner.
Pavel statue at GM place with this rear end facing Griffiths Way.
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Why Pavel Bure Left Vancouver


Posted ImageIt's been quite a few years, but the issue of Pavel Bure's departure from Vancouver has recently resurfaced. When Bure played for the Canucks and requested a trade, there was a lot of secrecy and mystery around the situation at the time.

As a kid in High School, I was more interested in the Canucks on the ice as opposed to off the ice. Bure's reputation in Vancouver appeared to largely be that he was the amazing player that he is, but also someone who was horrible with fans and not much better with the media.

GM Mike Gillis (and former Pavel Bure agent) appeared on the TEAM 1040 recently and indicated (at least when reading between the lines) that Pavel's number will not be retired by the team. Instead, the team will do something else special for him.



<a href="http://communities.c...uver.aspx">Tony Gallagher reported about Bure's experiences years ago, and has republished that article after the recent discussions surrounding his Vancouver legacy. The article is from January 20th, 1999.

Have a read for yourself, but here's the Coles notes:
  • Bure arrived in LA waiting to meet with the Canucks who left him sitting for weeks.
  • Bure was asked to pay $50,000 of his salary towards buying him out of his Russian contract
  • After winning the Calder Trophy as Rookie of the Year, the Canucks felt he needed to prove his value more before signing a new contract.
  • After agreeing to a contract of similar value to Sergei Fedorov and Alexander Mogilny, the Canucks pulled the rug out from under Bure by making the numbers in Canadian dollars instead of American dollars, a very uncommon practice.
  • Canucks refused to pay a signing bonus they owed him.
  • Broken promises about moving Pavel, and a handful of other instances destroying trust.

In light of this, I personally have a lot more sympathy for Pavel than I did at the time. He probably had to undergo unfair treatment from fans and the media who did not have the whole story.

When it comes to retiring his jersey though, who even knows if Pavel would want that from an organization that in his mind mistreated him so?

Stan Smyl, Trevor Linden and Markus Naslund were long-time captains. They were ambassadors of the game, excellent hockey players, great in the community, are well-respected both on the ice and off. Pavel Bure may have the on-ice credentials - as he was probably better than all three of the current players whose banners hang from Rogers Centre.

However, while skill set is one of the criteria to get your jersey retired, I'm not sure Pavel has checks in all the remaining boxes. Bure did not spend his entire career in Vancouver, although I suppose he is best remembered as a Canuck. Moreover, Pavel does not have the reputation as a leader that Smyl, Linden and even Naslund have, nor the longevity, nor the reputation for community involvement.

It may be a shame that Pavel's number will not be retired by the Canucks any time soon, but probably the right decision.

From the Province:
Pavel Bure's reasons for leaving the Canucks began accumulating before he'd even arrived in Vancouver.

Upon arrival in New York to join the Florida Panthers after his Sunday trade from the Canucks, Bure finally sat down to outline his reasons for wanting to leave.


He was convinced to do so only because he wants Canucks fans to know his reasons had nothing to do with the city, the people or even the rain. In one discussion, he detailed years of pent-up frustration over the silence he's maintained. The litany of neglect from Canucks management seems almost too absurd for words.

For starters, he first asked to be traded in 1993, five years and three months ago. But by far the most significant reason for wanting to leave came when, he said, somebody in Vancouver management made up a story that Bure threatened to withdraw his services during the '94 playoff run to the Cup final.

``Somebody from management planted that story,'' said Bure.

``They said I threatened not to play and it really pissed me off.

``It's a lie,'' said Bure with steel in his eyes. ``I don't want to say who did it because I don't want to say what I don't know. But I know one thing: I was promised to be traded. The contract was done before the playoffs even started. Ron (Bure's former agent Salcer) agreed with Pat (former GM Quinn) before Calgary. But the story was put out all over and by the time it was denied by Pat Quinn and everybody else, it was too late. It looked like a cover-up.''

While Bure would in no way even indicate whom he thought it might be, reason would indicate it was either then-acting assistant GM George McPhee or then-owner Arthur Griffiths. Quinn has indicated to some insiders he was led to believe Bure had threatened to withdraw his services by ``my guy'' but now says privately and publicly it never happened.

``At that point I just decided to get out for good,'' said Bure.

``It's just not the way you should do business.''

While it might be best to outline Bure's reasons for leaving in order of significance, we have chosen to start from the beginning in order to convey the cumulative effect. And so best to begin when he first left Russia and landed in L.A., where he stayed at Salcer's house.

``I was down there for two weeks before (Canucks management) showed up,'' Bure said. ``It was really hard. I thought they'd be waiting for me when I got there but there was nobody. I'd heard all this about how badly they wanted me and then I'm down there wondering what's going on. Then they finally send down Brian (Burke). We have a quick lunch and then it's another 10 days before they have me fly to San Jose to meet the rest of the guys.''

The club was waiting to settle a court case with the Russian Red Army team that had Bure under contract.

The Canucks ended up buying out those rights for $250,000. Bure had to chip in $50,000 of it out of his first contract to pay off the Russians.

'`In my first year they admitted my first contract ($600,000 Cdn) was not enough, but when we went to talk about it they said, `Hold on, you have to play a little bit more. You have to prove it to us'.''

This started a long, torturous period of stonewalling by the Canucks on a new deal, which led to Bure's first request to be traded in November of 1993.

After 17 months of negotiation, a five-year, $14.7-million contract -- almost identical to the ones Sergei Fedorov and Alex Mogilny were signing in Detroit and Buffalo at the time -- was agreed upon.

Or at least Bure thought.

When he sat down to sign it, he found the Canucks had put everything in Canadian funds when in fact Fedorov and Mogilny were getting U.S. funds. No NHL star ever signs a Canadian-funds deal and the Canucks knew this.

``I was really happy with that contract. I would have been happy to sign that deal (in U.S. dollars). But then I finished the season with another 60 goals. And the market was going up.''

``About two months later, when I was starting slowly, they (most likely McPhee) told me, `You were lucky to get 60 goals,' and that I would never do it again. They told me I'd be lucky to get 30 again. I told them,
`Forget about the contract, just trade me. You don't trust me, just trade me.' ''

``After that they said, `Sorry, let's start a whole new relationship.' But then (before he'd even signed the new contract) I'm already hearing how I threatened not to play in the playoffs.''

When a $25-million-US, five-year deal with staggering bonuses was finally agreed upon before the '94 playoffs, it was executed just before Game 3 of the final against the Rangers in Vancouver. Quinn apparently was not present at the signing. Bure refused to sign without Quinn there. Quinn was told of this and came in.

``I just felt like he didn't want to give me that contract and I really didn't want the contract.

``I asked for a trade, don't give me a contract! Ronnie said to sign the contract, but I had asked for a trade before that.''

``Part of the signing bonus was due on execution of the contract, but they were three months late. I didn't get any money until September.''

``I specifically asked Ron to put in (the new deal) that I was to get paid (if there was a lockout) because I thought there probably would be one. And the contract is pretty clear that I was to get paid.

``But they refused.''

Bure remained out of training camp after the lockout for five days, but was talked into going back after the

Canucks agreed to negotiate. Quinn claimed he was told by the league not to pay guaranteed contracts until it was settled for all NHL players. But the issue dragged on and on and Bure became increasingly steamed.

``I didn't want to sue the team. I didn't think it would be proper to sue the team you were playing for.''

Bure was owed $1.7 million US under the terms of the deal, but after agent Mike Gillis became his agent, he managed to get $1 million of it paid.

``I finally got part of that money three years later.''

Before last season Bure met with Quinn and said that after his two seasons of injury maybe he would get an extra push if he was to be traded. Quinn told him he didn't want to trade him, but if that's what he wanted, he would.

Quinn then asked him to get playing well so the club could get market value for him, but 20 games into the season Quinn was fired.

``Every time I asked to be traded, they always agreed to. Nobody ever said, `We're not going to trade you.' But they always lied. They never did.''

Enter Mike Keenan. It was at this point Bure said he reconsidered the request quietly to himself because he liked the way Iron Mike was running the show. He was playing 27 or 28 minutes a night and loved it. But he decided there had been too much water under the bridge to turn back.

``I can tell you honestly I had no problem with Mike whatsoever and I loved to play for him. He was the coach and general manager at that time and I had 39 goals and a big bonus for 50. He called me in the office and said, `Listen, don't worry about 50 goals. I'll get you 50. I'll help you to do it.' And he was the general manager. I really like Mike.

He claims Keenan's style didn't bother him much and shrugged off the ``you little suck'' name-calling incident the coach engaged in during a game in Ottawa last season.

``That didn't bother me,'' Bure said.

``I played for (Viktor) Tikhonov so that was nothing.''

However Keenan did trade his friend Gino Odjick, which was by this time, the icing on the icing of the cake.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:52 AM

Hopefully this leads to the Canucks mending the fences with Mark Messier as well and retire his number, free Lays day at Rogers Arena.

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Mark messier was the worst idea this franchise made.... he was a crappy player that expected to have an easy time while hating the city. I think he is one low person .... coming back to get more money after he never earned his pay cheque in the first place

I hope that its just early and I missed the sarcasm in your post
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:18 AM

I hope they can mend whatever is bothering bure still. To me still the most exciting Canucks to wear the sweater.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:09 AM

Other than Lemieux, Jagr and Crosby who else has Pittsburgh had that warranted jersey retirement. (2 still play)

I guess you could argue Ron Francis too


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:24 AM

Can't wait to see 96 hanging up there.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:31 AM

Sounds good.... Definitely the most exciting player in Canucks history so hopefully Bure can develop a strong relationship with the Canucks and we can put the whole situation of him leaving Vancouver behind us. Then we can retire his jersey.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:38 AM

4 retired shirts
0 stanley cups

2 more when the sedins retire

laughable, really


I aint laughing, except to cover the tracks of my tears....

I will say 16 deserves to be up there regardless of how many cups.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:01 AM

Honour Bure, he deserves that, but please no more jerseys in the rafters until we have something to celebrate. Getting into the HHOF is a far greater honour than lifting a jersey into the rafters. In my opinion, the only jersey up there should be Linden's.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:03 AM

Best Canuck ever. Had management not tried to run this team like it was still the 1950's and the players were nothing more than meat he would have played here until the end of his career.

Sometimes you ask for a trade when promises are not kept. 10 deserves to be on the roof.


That ^^^
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:07 AM

Bure was NOT the greatest Canuck ever. He was our most talented player of his era on this team, but that is not the same. No one carried this franchise wherever he went and represented us with more fire and determination then Linden.

Linden was the greatest Canuck ever.
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I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:25 AM

Tommi Santala to the rafters! Best 4th line center this organization has ever seen...! Right Nonis? :frantic:
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:33 AM

This is great news. :)

Edited by canucks141, 27 March 2013 - 09:33 AM.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:53 AM

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wow talk about lowered expectations neither of those players had half the career bure did. I'd say Tom Barasso or Jagr before those 2.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:54 AM

Can't wait to see 96 hanging up there.



How about 10 instead?
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:18 AM

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You're putting in Rick Kehoe long before either of those 2 get in.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:20 AM

Nothing would make me happier. Pavel Bure was the main reason I became a fan of hockey.
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OMG we could've had McKeown!

I think Virtanen was a terrible pick given that he's out for 6 months which will hinder his development. You don't pick someone at #6 under that circumstance, along with the fact that he was given a 3/5 IQ (aka he's dumb). 

God dammit Benning. WHY VIRTANEN? Terrible move.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:32 AM

Nothing would make me happier. Pavel Bure was the main reason I became a fan of hockey.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:46 AM

4 retired shirts
0 stanley cups

2 more when the sedins retire

laughable, really


you forgot to mention 1 idiot who wrote those things......you!
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:49 AM

4 retired shirts
0 stanley cups

2 more when the sedins retire

laughable, really


I don't find what you said laughable at all. those players deserve the recognition, what is there to laugh at? I don't get some of you Canuck fans sometimes, and they Canucks fans are one of the smartest in hockey?
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Players Nikolaj Ehlers have been compared too by the fan base of the Vancouver Canucks.

 

1 Pavel Bure

2 Markus Naslund

3 Nathan Mackkinon

4 Jonathan Drouin.

5 Jonathan Tavares

 

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combine results.  Ehlers 5'11 162 lbs of solid rock.  


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:01 AM

Sorry, i love my 'nucks but there's only one banner that belongs in the rafters and only people in the
HHOF can have there jersey retired! The rest can have honoured places on walls. Lowering standards is the first sign of a failing enterprise!!
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:07 AM

This is fantastic news. Its about time we retired his famous #10
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:09 AM

4 retired shirts
0 stanley cups

2 more when the sedins retire

laughable, really

Sorry didn't realize winnning a stanley cup was a prerequisite for retiring a jersey.

Linden, Naslund, Smyl (who have their shirts retired now) were all great hockey players, leaders and members of the community. Falling short of the ulitmate prize, in no way, diminishes their amazing careers, or the quality of human beings they were.

These guys all had major impacts on the lives of the fans of the Vancouver Canucks. They personafied determination and heart. These guys impacted all the lives of those who were lucky enough to watch them play and those they took the time to help in the community. All that coupled with their amazing talent in a sport we all love... makes far from laughable that these guys have their jersey's retired.

If this is how the majority of fans feel about Bure then who are you to say who "deserves" to have their jersey retired?

And when the Sedins retire they will for sure have their jersey's retired, that you are right about, but I also beleive there will be a Stanley Cup banner up there with them before they do.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:10 AM

Great to see some wounds being mended hopefully this management will treat him better then the orca bay management.. It's great to see that were establishing connections with Bure after the years that he's dedicated his career to us.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:19 AM

Hate to break it to you, but professional sports is primarily a money making enterprise. Everything is about is ultimately to sell tickets, merchandise etc.. So relax and enjoy it.


i don't care if the team wants to generate revenue, i care that the organization, which i have followed for many many years, is trying to create legacy that we all know just isn't there. it's so short sighted and cynical to me. is this organization going to exist beyond 20, 30, even 50 years? if so, then the shallow criteria with which they apply shirt retirement will undoubtedly see many more retirements in that timeframe.

its short sighted and self-serving for the organization's current staffers and young fans. makes absolutely no sense in the long run.

naslund was not a once-in-a-lifetime player. neither was smyl. bure completely fails to meet non-statistic criteria that this team apparently looks for, too. so he shouldnt even be in the discussion.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:48 PM

Jersey retirement incoming.

Now when's Jeff Cowan's going to hit the rafters?


Just have to hang a bra from the rafters, we all know what it means
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