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Posted 29 March 2013 - 05:49 PM

People don't get handcuffed for running red lights on a bike. I'd like to see the whole video.

The video begins 7 seconds before the punch. The remainder of the video has not much of note after that.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 05:51 PM

The video begins 7 seconds before the punch. The remainder of the video has not much of note after that.


Exactly. Why was he being handcuffed?

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 05:58 PM

Exactly. Why was he being handcuffed?

That will be a question that investigations being carried out by the Office of the Police Complaints Commissioner and the Professional Standards Section of the Vancouver Police Department will likely answer.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:27 PM

There should be a requirement that Cops have a degree from an accredited university with a certain GPA. Some of these officers out their look like the belong behind bars not protecting our streets.
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 02:30 AM

There should be a requirement that Cops have a degree from an accredited university with a certain GPA. Some of these officers out their look like the belong behind bars not protecting our streets.


Nowadays other than the RCMP, most municipals require a minimum of 30 credits from a recognized post-secondary institution.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 12:49 PM

Nowadays other than the RCMP, most municipals require a minimum of 30 credits from a recognized post-secondary institution.

For the RCMP GED certification is all that is needed.


To apply for a job as a Regular Member of the RCMP, you must meet the following basic requirements:
  • Be a Canadian citizen;
  • Be of good character;
  • Be proficient in English or French;
  • Have a Canadian secondary school (high school) diploma or equivalent;
  • Possess a valid, unrestricted Canadian driver's licence;
  • Be at least 19 years of age at the time of engagement (may apply at 18 years of age);
  • Meet medical/health standards;
  • Be willing to relocate anywhere in Canada; and
  • Be physically fit.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:17 PM

But realistically to be competitive you need a College Degree. Just meeting basic mins isn't enough with most agencies.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:35 PM

But realistically to be competitive you need a College Degree. Just meeting basic mins isn't enough with most agencies.

Perhaps other than the RCMP where they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:39 PM

The Office of the Police Complaints Commissioner has announced that the West Vancouver Police Department will undertake an "independent" review of the actions of the VPD officer.


The West Vancouver Police Department will investigate the circumstances around an arrest in which a Vancouver police officer punched a suspect.


The Office of The Police Complaints Commissioner ordered the West Vancouver department to step in after video of the arrest spread across the Internet.


The video shows Const. Ismail Bhabha punching a man he was attempting to put into handcuffs during an arrest in Vancouver Mar. 25.


The officers involved said they were trying to arrest Kharazi Akhavan because he rode his bicycle through a red light and wasn't wearing a helmet.


The complaint commissioner's office has determined it's in the public interest to investigate the allegations against the officer.


The office said it learned of the incident through the media, and when the office contacted the Vancouver Police professional standards department, it didn't know about the punch either.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vancouver+police+punch+caught+tape+gets+independent/8185071/story.html#ixzz2PLQFf6FX
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:15 PM

Perhaps other than the RCMP where they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel.


There are plenty of good Officers in both VPD and RCMP that go to work day in and day out and dedicate themselves to doing the right thing. But when the few that do screw up make the news, they all get painted with the same brush. Not saying there aren't bad cops, just the vast majority risk their lives daily and labeling them "bottom of the barrel" is unfair. Just like we want fairness for the public and ourselves. How about a little fairness for our Police, Firefighters and Soldiers? They serve a thankless job...

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:45 PM

There are plenty of good Officers in both VPD and RCMP that go to work day in and day out and dedicate themselves to doing the right thing. But when the few that do screw up make the news, they all get painted with the same brush. Not saying there aren't bad cops, just the vast majority risk their lives daily and labeling them "bottom of the barrel" is unfair. Just like we want fairness for the public and ourselves. How about a little fairness for our Police, Firefighters and Soldiers? They serve a thankless job...

Unfortunately the RCMP management and structure has crippled the force and the time is past for a 19th century paramilitary organization to provide effective civilian policing.

I label the RCMP bottom of the barrel because that is what they are and that comes form personal experience in being involved in joint operations with the RCMP in the past. It is well beyond just a few bad apples as the recent revelations on harassment in the RCMP workplace have made abundantly clear - it is a sick culture that has been nurtured and protected.


The harassment situation speaks to the poor entry standards, lax screening and the institutional culture of the RCMP. Overweening arrogance and lack of accountability. When you have a paramilitary force rather than a true civilian policing agency where unquestioning obedience to superior officers is instilled and demanded and where there is no accountability for such behaviour (and it is tacitly encouraged and when exposed minimized or covered up) - this is the result.

As Constable Galliford says:

Galliford says the command and control structure at the RCMP means Mounties are instructed to do as they're told, or risk getting reprimanded.


"If they can't screw you, they are going to screw you over. And that's what it became like and so I started to normalize the harassment because I didn't know what else to do," she said.


"It just got to the point that after I had about 16 years of service, I broke. I completely broke."


Consulting police psychologist Mike Webster (and a number of other studies and reports) has raised these issues for many years. He notes this is but one symptom of a toxic work environment:

Mike Webster, a consulting police psychologist in private practice, believes Galliford's deteriorating health has little to do with the murder files she worked on, and is directly linked to the harassment she faced from colleagues on the job.

Police psychologist Mike Webster says the RCMP has created a toxic work environment. Police psychologist Mike Webster says the RCMP has created a toxic work environment. CBC


"I don't think there's a female in the outfit who hasn't been approached sexually," Webster said.


"The way her employer handled it afterwards is likely to have had a greater effect on her present mental state than what she went through initially."


Webster says Galliford's allegations come as no surprise.


"Senior executives for decades have been accountable to no one and they've created a toxic work environment, high levels of employee stress and a culture of fear," Webster said.


"It's causing a tremendous effect on the morale of the RCMP, so the grievance process doesn't help them at all. What are they going to do? They turn to ODS, off duty sick ... the RCMP membership calls it 'off duty mad.'"


As studies commissioned by the federal government such as the Brown Report and the follow-up Brown Commission have determined the RCMP is a "horribly broken" organization.

And studies by Dr. Linda Duxbury (the final study commissioned by the RCMP itself) have found the RCMP to be dysfunctional and beyond saving - she used the term "institutionally sick".

A MATTER OF TRUST - Report of the Independent Investigator (David Brown, QC) into Matters Relating to RCMP Pension and Insurance Plans
http://www.publicsaf...l/report-en.pdf

As a result of the above report the federal government set up a five-member Task Force to provide advice on strengthening the accountability and governance of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) to examine in detail the problems identified in that report. The task force report - Rebuilding the Trust – Report of the Task Force on Governance and Cultural Change in the RCMP:
http://www.publicsaf...mp-tfr-eng.aspx

And The RCMP Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow - An Independent Report concerning Workplace Issues at the Royal Canadian Mounted Police by Dr. Linda Duxbury - November 2, 2007
http://www.rcmp-grc....duxbury-eng.htm

In that report Dr. Duxbury held out a faint hope that the RCMP could be salvaged but two years later she changed her assessment.

Even the current Commissioner has acknowledged that the RCMP is staring into the abyss and that the day of the stetson may well be done and that the RCMP will go the way of the First Airborne.

Commissioner Paulson stated flatly that too many Mounties today believe that their authority entitles them to misuse power. He said his 30,000 employees need to better understand accountability and leadership – or the Mounties may be “one or two more earth-shattering heartbreaks” away from losing all credibility.


“I tell you, one day, there is going to be the removal of the Stetson if we don’t get this straight,” he said, when questioned about whether public trust has been violated. “We’ve got to get onto this. This is urgent.”


Once it would have been unthinkable for any Canadian – much less the Commissioner himself – to contemplate the dissolution of the RCMP. The force’s red Serge and Stetsons have long been the iconic image of Canada, its law-and-order history harking back to the Western frontier.


Yet given how controversies have piled up – from failed terrorism probes to overuse of force and, now, sexual-harassment complaints from female officers – many police observers question whether the beleaguered Mounties should remain in their current incarnation. “We are at a pretty critical period. … I don’t see the RCMP surviving,” said Linda Duxbury, a Carleton University management professor.

http://www.theglobea...article4181575/


The Lepard Report from the VPD was highly critical of the RCMP's actions and conduct during the Missing Women investigation. As Deputy Chief Doug Lepard said the VPD was not great but the RCMP was abysmal.

SFU criminologist Rob Gordon took the position that BC should hold off extending the RCMP contract until the Oppal Commission has reported on the Pickton investigation. The Doug LePard report from the VPD laid the problems in that investigation squarely at the feet of the RCMP.

It appears the B.C. government is blindly "plowing ahead" with renewing its RCMP contract, said Rob Gordon, director of Simon Fraser University's school of criminology.


"If the province does go ahead and sign a contract without some of Heed's ideas embedded in it, we're going to be stuck with these guys for another 20 years and I think it would be utterly foolish," Gordon said. "It's grossly irresponsible to do it."


At the very least, the government should hold off finalizing the contract until the completion of the Robert Pickton inquiry next year, Gordon said.


And more recently the Missing Women Task Force Report (the Oppal Commission) thorough;y castigated the RCMP and recommended that they be replaced by a made in BC police agency.
http://www.missingwo...-ES-web-RGB.pdf

And Commissioner Oppal is not alone as this the view comes from an insider who has seen the problems up close for years and dealt with them. As Paul Kennedy, the former RCMP independent complaints commissioner says he would like to see the RCMP rid of most or all of its provincial and local policing duties.

RCMP is still horribly broken. Fix it.


It is time to fix the horribly broken RCMP before it becomes known as horribly and permanently broken. At last, after three years as Commissioner, William Elliott, the first civilian to lead the 27,000-member national police force, has publicly endorsed the need for a structural overhaul, as recommended in 2007 by a task force whose head, lawyer David Brown, attached to it that wonderfully descriptive phrase, “horribly broken.” (The phrase is even more felicitous than “institutionally sick,” which a separate probe called the RCMP in 2004.) The Canadian government has surely seen enough of that brokenness to lose any reservations it may have had about the need for dramatic change.


The overhaul – including a civilian board of management – is not a panacea for a complex force whose responsibilities include local and provincial policing, protecting Canadians from terrorism and organized crime, and training police in Haiti and elsewhere. Paul Kennedy, a former independent complaints commissioner, believes the central problem is that the force is pulled in too many directions at once. “You have an organization that is scattered: too many tasks, too many mandates, too many taskmasters.” He would like to see it rid of most or all of its provincial and local policing duties.


This is what the experts and the insiders are saying about the RCMP.

Time to wake and smell the coffee and put the RCMP on their horsies and head 'em out of BC. The myth of competence of the RCMP may have been true decades past but today it is just that... a myth and one without any foundation.

I have laid this out in excruciating and painful detail in the past. See this post:
http://forum.canucks...1#entry10338881
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