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#91 Red Light Racicot

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 05:46 PM

Last 6 games: GAA 1.00

Previous 28: GAA 3.07

This is a replay of what was going on the second half of last year. This team won most of their games because they relied entirely on outstanding goaltending, which is not enough.

This underperforming has been going on for so long I think for the good of the team AV should have been replaced already. The goalies have been bailing him out imo.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 05:50 PM

Drive him the edge of town and say good bye.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 05:51 PM

Weird,when you consider that you complain when the team wins.

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He's complaining about the coaching style and the manner the team plays (sit on leads, rely on goaltending, bad powerplay) I have yet to see him complain about the box score.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 05:54 PM

I disagree with your opinion, it's not AV who has bad coaching. It's the players who are not playing well.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 05:54 PM

I think either one of Gills or AV has to go, they don't seem to mesh well together imo.

AV needs to change it up a little and implement a more offensive strategy when we're healthy or Gillis needs to go and a new gm needs to get all defensive players so AV can do what he's good at and sit on a lead.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:08 PM

He's complaining about the coaching style and the manner the team plays (sit on leads, rely on goaltending, bad powerplay) I have yet to see him complain about the box score.


Oh...well, to be fair, the injuries and depth dictate the style of play. They tried their usual quasi-speed game and were getting burned. Mainly because the lack of center depth and chasing after lost draws.

I blame the bad PP, especially on the 1st unit squarely on the Twins. and to a lesser degree Brown.

I wont bother posting links to back up the sheer fact that the players and coaching now understand that they have to play defensively against certain teams and grind them out until they have the full compliment of players back.

And it is boooooooring against certain teams. Usually the opponent dictates the posturing. Unless scouted differently.

For a coach "that cannot adjust", he has done that.

Is it exciting? Against certain teams they do revert to their hallmark ways, yes. But generally it is just dullsville.

Makes you appreciate what Kes brings to the team.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:11 PM

I disagree with your opinion, it's not AV who has bad coaching. It's the players who are not playing well.


Another winner in the transparency contest!

As evidenced by those scary stretches where the team comically broke down defensively last night.

I wish Bones would just yell at the team sometimes when that happens. There was no excuse for letting them set up down low so many times.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:14 PM

Teams still winning no complaints are coming out of the lockerroom he obviously still has these guys attention. He's doing good for the pieces he has to play with. In my opinion he is doing his job better then gillis is doing his
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:17 PM

I agree with you for the most part, Really things haven't changed aside from Cory and that Shutdown pair (Hammer-Garrison) being great.
The issues for the most part are still the same and AV made another boneheaded decision benching JS last night.


Here the Canucks are winning 6 consecutive games,top of their division and yet the AV haters can't be happy or content,never mind grateful.
The last game was an offensive burst for the first eight minutes and then the team went into lock down mode.Hank and others commented upon it after the game.They are doing it to win and AV has helped them to win in these situations.
Really,this is AV's greatest strenghth as he is a strong defensive coach.
No Kesler,No Booth,no PP d man and Eddie and the Sedins struggling big time because of that glaring fact.
You take Jordan out when the team is not offensively generating chances.Jordan is a defensive liability at this stage.
Goaltending/D is a huge part of the game.You don't blame the coach for having his goalie and shut down D pair playing like they should be.
Now we are talking boneheads.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:19 PM

Teams still winning no complaints are coming out of the lockerroom he obviously still has these guys attention. He's doing good for the pieces he has to play with. In my opinion he is doing his job better then gillis is doing his

yup ... and even if we did make a coaching change , our new coach would inherit a very average team ..
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:20 PM

Here the Canucks are winning 6 consecutive games,top of their division and yet the AV haters can't be happy or content,never mind grateful.
The last game was an offensive burst for the first eight minutes and then the team went into lock down mode.Hank and others commented upon it after the game.They are doing it to win and AV has helped them to win in these situations.
Really,this is AV's greatest strenghth as he is a strong defensive coach.
No Kesler,No Booth,no PP d man and Eddie and the Sedins struggling big time because of that glaring fact.
You take Jordan out when the team is not offensively generating chances.Jordan is a defensive liability at this stage.
Goaltending/D is a huge part of the game.You don't blame the coach for having his goalie and shut down D pair playing like they should be.
Now we are talking boneheads.

in the end we likely dont have a say in it. So with that why cant we just support the staff and team he pays for? I haven't heard any constant fire av chants so there covers the ticket holders for people who say well my money
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:23 PM

Last 6 games: GAA 1.00

Previous 28: GAA 3.07
This is a replay of what was going on the second half of last year. This team won most of their games because they relied entirely on outstanding goaltending, which is not enough.
This underperforming has been going on for so long I think for the good of the team AV should have been replaced already. The goalies have been bailing him out imo.

The goalies are paid how many millions to perform?
Red Light Racicot,with a name like that you may remember Ken Dryden days when he allowed a very defensive minded MC team to win multiple cups based upon a style that we are witnessing with the AV coached team of late.
I hated Montreal because I loved Bobby Orr but hockey is not won with just scoring.The goalies actually help the team win games,series and Stanley Cup Championships.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:25 PM

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I do. I believe it's long overdue.

Also. It's weird how no matter what the argument is there's always some person(s) posting multiple times in the same thread just trying to argue. Like they want to prove how tough they are by disagreeing with as many people as possible. And it's never the same person. Or the same topic/argument. It's like there's a rule that someone has to do it or something. Strange.

And somebody has a disturbingly large collection of Alain Vigneault gifs on their harddrive. Creepy.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:27 PM

I applaud the name change of this thread ha
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:28 PM

nuck it; no pp d man? So edler and to a lesser extent Garrison arent pp d men?

its how our PP operates they are too predictable, too much passing from the sedins, they have had a couple chances one a wide open net and they passed the puck instead of shooting.

If they cant learn to shoot, id seriously split them up on the PP in all honesty, whats our streak at on the pp now? cant hurt to try splitting em up, they are capable of playing with others they dont need eachother to be good they can adapt
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:30 PM

I think either one of Gills or AV has to go, they don't seem to mesh well together imo.

AV needs to change it up a little and implement a more offensive strategy when we're healthy or Gillis needs to go and a new gm needs to get all defensive players so AV can do what he's good at and sit on a lead.


Ill corral a respected Van Sun blogger to find me the snippet in which Mitch explained that it is not the coaches wish that players pull back. Because defense is taught; most centers and 2 way wingers, and of course the d-men, naturally go to a defensive form. Alot of teams do this.

I believe it was Ferraro or MacGuire that also noted that the bench instructs them to push instead of pull back.

Of course this was from a few years back when they were high octane and used team speed.

Of course when the team is healthy they will go back to the speed and skill, puck possesion, on top of the forecheck style we all enjoy watching.

Until then...it will be (against certain teams) a grinding style. Unless of course J-Schro and Ebbet magically become consistently killer at the dot.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:35 PM

nuck it; no pp d man? So edler and to a lesser extent Garrison arent pp d men?

its how our PP operates they are too predictable, too much passing from the sedins, they have had a couple chances one a wide open net and they passed the puck instead of shooting.

If they cant learn to shoot, id seriously split them up on the PP in all honesty, whats our streak at on the pp now? cant hurt to try splitting em up, they are capable of playing with others they dont need eachother to be good they can adapt


Yep. You gots it.

When Hank QBs off the side wall and does his curl to shake the D, he ALWAYS has a shooting lane. Its brief, as it does close when the adjustment is made. But Hank really needs to use that moment to shoot low for greasy rebounds. Brown needs to get them to use that moment more often than not.

Thankfully though the PP has been slowly improving, due to the fact that they are actually moving much more. But they can certainly be better.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

I do. I believe it's long overdue.

Also. It's weird how no matter what the argument is there's always some person(s) posting multiple times in the same thread just trying to argue. Like they want to prove how tough they are by disagreeing with as many people as possible. And it's never the same person. Or the same topic/argument. It's like there's a rule that someone has to do it or something. Strange.

And somebody has a disturbingly large collection of Alain Vigneault gifs on their harddrive. Creepy.

its funny how rules state look for threads before creating one and then daily we get people posting the same old rant which eventually gets locked when the right mod shows up
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

AV is an awesome coach.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

How has Eddie been doing on the PP?
He is the go to d man now on this club.
Garrison is frightening. Strong as bull,head shot that kills.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:41 PM

AV is an awesome coach.

From the fan with 8,000 " I hate Cody Hodgson" posts that's a nice change and considerable improvement.,albeit done with the great literary contribution you are famous for.

Edited by nuck nit, 29 March 2013 - 06:43 PM.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:45 PM

I figured I'll post this during a win streak so that nobody can accuse me of being a bandwagoner who "shuts up" until the Canucks are losing. Why? Because I'm right.

Let's set the first, and incredibly obvious thing straight right off the bat:

We've won 6 games in a row because of Schneider, and a few great plays by defensemen here and there (lolHamhuis)


Now we can take a look at how, apart from goaltending, absolutely nothing has changed since our losing streak. Good job AV, you somehow got Schneider playing like a 6x4 wall of bricks.


There's still no scoring (besides empty netters), there's still no powerplay, and there is still stupid line-up choices.

Schroeder still gets benched half way through a game even though that line carried our diminutive offense for several consecutive games. That is the last line that needs a shake-up right now!

Do I really have much else to add? No. It's all been said. All I'm adding this time is that AV is still doing a horrible job, and yet again his ass is being carried by a hot goaltender while AV's team sits on one-goal leads. This will NEVER win a Stanley Cup. Ever.

Fire AV.


The problem with all of these fire AV threads (and this could have easily been added to any existing one) is the double standard. So goaltending is carrying the team? Yet when our goalie gets lit up it's the team in front of him or the coaching that causes it. Yet when the goalie is solid it's the goalie and has nothing to do with the team or the coaching. Very convenient.

Saying he was out-coached is also quite convenient. How was he out-coached? What adjustments did the other coach make that AV couldn't counter? You'll have to be specific on these set plays that AV couldn't counter. If you can't answer those question you don't know that he was in fact out-coached. No amount of coaching will heal injured players or solve the players inevitable scoring slumps, nor prevent the players themselves from making mistakes including the goalie. No matter how well you strategize it still requires the players to execute. A great deal of what happens between face-offs is up to the players to recognize and react. The coach can't do that for them. And the talent on the other side also has the ability to recognize and react as well.

Btw, Schroeder wasn't benched. With time running down AV shortened the bench. Something good coaches do in such situations. He felt Schroeder was being outplayed by another so he went with who he thought was the best nine in that game to go for the win. Isn't that in fact making an adjustment during the game that you seem to think he's incapable of?
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:49 PM

i would be in favor of strict rules break them more then twice your banned:) i would probably be banned for dealing with the many useless twits but i could still come to read good debates and articles by fans


So what exactly is your proposal? Ban the posters who aren't strictly cheerleaders?

Anyhow, this season when the goalies play excellent we win most of the games, when the goalies play less than excellent we've lost almost all of them. This is a fact, so where does AV's great coaching come into play?
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:51 PM

The problem with all of these fire AV threads (and this could have easily been added to any existing one) is the double standard. So goaltending is carrying the team? Yet when our goalie gets lit up it's the team in front of him or the coaching that causes it. Yet when the goalie is solid it's the goalie and has nothing to do with the team or the coaching. Very convenient.

Saying he was out-coached is also quite convenient. How was he out-coached? What adjustments did the other coach make that AV couldn't counter? You'll have to be specific on these set plays that AV couldn't counter. If you can't answer those question you don't know that he was in fact out-coached. No amount of coaching will heal injured players or solve the players inevitable scoring slumps, nor prevent the players themselves from making mistakes including the goalie. No matter how well you strategize it still requires the players to execute. A great deal of what happens between face-offs is up to the players to recognize and react. The coach can't do that for them. And the talent on the other side also has the ability to recognize and react as well.

Btw, Schroeder wasn't benched. With time running down AV shortened the bench. Something good coaches do in such situations. He felt Schroeder was being outplayed by another so he went with who he thought was the best nine in that game to go for the win. Isn't that in fact making an adjustment during the game that you seem to think he's incapable of?

the problem i have is the lack of support their is nothing wrong with discussion but most of it is garbage and you know the same people doing it,not supporting the team will be the next guys making the usless lets trade whoever its disgusting i have read topics on trading the sedins this supports those trolls
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:56 PM

Lulz. Hardly the case.

The team is winning, and i see stupid.

So ill follow suit.

Seriously the self defeatist BS around here deserves Posted Imageit.


You understand that without Cory's stellar goaltending we would most likely be on an 8 game losing streak, right?
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:01 PM

You understand that without Cory's stellar goaltending we would most likely be on an 8 game losing streak, right?

good by the sounds of everyone's defence here this should be a thread praising cory! Iwould support that i dont understand are fans logic dazzles me daily

Edited by naslund.is.king, 29 March 2013 - 07:03 PM.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:01 PM

You understand that without Cory's stellar goaltending we would most likely be on an 8 game losing streak, right?


I sure do.

He has been stellar. But thats an exaggeration that the team would lose as much.

Credit the skaters for buying in and playing their roles.

See? That is discussion. Nothing silly about that comment whatsoever.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:02 PM

Weird,when you consider that you complain when the team wins.

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Cory wins.

Not sure what everyone else does.
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:03 PM

the problem i have is the lack of support their is nothing wrong with discussion but most of it is garbage and you know the same people doing it,not supporting the team will be the next guys making the usless lets trade whoever its disgusting i have read topics on trading the sedins this supports those trolls


How so, ive wanted the coach gone since last postseason, ive never once said we should trade the Sedins, if we did we might as well be a bubble playoff team at best they make this team go offensively, i think they need some adequete help in the secondary scoring and better help on the 2nd pp unit.

I think there are people who will be like what your saying but alot of us arent on lets trade our best players, we want to see a different coaching style and philoshy be brought to the team, thats what id like. As i think we have enough talent and with a move or 2 we could be legit cup contenders
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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:05 PM

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Weird,when you consider that you complain when the team wins.

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Are you really that thick??!!

Do you watch the team play or just check the standings in the newspaper?

The Nucks this year are a shadow of themselves and their injuries have not been any worse than most teams, in fact less than many. THey have been dominated beyond belief this year - Chicago with 30 scoring chances - embarrassed by a depleted Detroit roster of AHLers etc - the only difference between their losses and their wins is their goaltending. If Lu and Cory can keep the other team to 1 or fewer goals (whith thier team being badly out-played) then they have a chance of winning. IF LU or Cory play average, the Nucks get blown out.

I don't drink the kool-aid about how these low scoring games arekpreaparing them for the playoffs. These games are low-scoirng because our offence sucks! Because the team can't play a full 60 minutes! Because they get out-worked and out-hit every night! Because they play not to lose instead of playing to win..

WIth the talent on this team, I look to the coach as the architect of these short-comings.

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