Canuck Surfer Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 If I was in their position; probably! In ours, No. They are both much stronger cup contenders, and had more tools in their prospect tool box. But Clowe, after getting Morrow and Iginla, even then probably not. How many wingers do you need... But I'd still be looking! They come at a big price. Would you be happy if we end up trading Jensen or Jensen+ for Clowe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Aaron Ward @aaronward_nhl 9m Calgary Flames have granted Toronto Maple Leafs permission to talk to Kiprusoffs representatives #TSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 don't trust aaron ward the same guy who said Iginla to boston..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertuzziJr 2.0 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'd love it if the leafs traded big to get kipper. That would be the most counter productive thing they could possibly do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 don't trust aaron ward the same guy who said Iginla to boston..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvandude Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'd love it if the leafs traded big to get kipper. That would be the most counter productive thing they could possibly do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neversummer Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Gillis is so full of it. 4 teams in discussion but it is better to do it in the summer ... translation = we have 1 team that we are begging to reconsider (Toronto), we need to increase the leverage so I'll send Gilman to do some BS rumours. Finally, please don't be disappointed in me if we don't get a deal done before trade deadline and that I wait till the summer. My bet is Luongo does NOT get traded and Gillis gets the axe in the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Gillis is so full of it. 4 teams in discussion but it is better to do it in the summer ... translation = we have 1 team that we are begging to reconsider (Toronto), we need to increase the leverage so I'll send Gilman to do some BS rumours. Finally, please don't be disappointed in me if we don't get a deal done before trade deadline and that I wait till the summer. My bet is Luongo does NOT get traded and Gillis gets the axe in the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neversummer Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 <p> I think this whole kipper thing is just a negotiation trick. Leafs know they won't get him (he won't go to any other team and will likely retire next year). From a negotiation point of view, it makes sense to show the Canucks they have options. And if I were the flames, i'd play along too if it could help in any way to get the Canucks to be less powerful as a division rival. MG should know this and not reduce his price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 don't trust aaron ward the same guy who said Iginla to boston..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I think this whole kipper thing is just a negotiation trick. Leafs know they won't get him (he won't go to any other team and will likely retire next year). From a negotiation point of view, it makes sense to show the Canucks they have options. And if I were the flames, i'd play along too if it could help in any way to get the Canucks to be less powerful as a division rival. MG should know this and not reduce his price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Maybe a three way deal? I think Luongo go to a team desperate for long-term solution and a GM fighting for a job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 ... maybe Chicago caught wind of the Canucks interest and decided to block them by offering a better pick?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I blame Patrick Kane or DarthKane. Spies, spies everywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Gillis better not be so focused on a Luongo deal that he passes up other opportunities to improve this team. A third line center can be acquired through another trade. I'd rather see Luongo traded for picks and prospects anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 LOL... you think I blew it?!? Wouldn't that be something.... / If that's the case, you can all thank me later when Handzus winds up being the Achilles heel for Chicago in their series against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuckFanLivingInCalgary:( Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Here's my take on the Luongo Situation. Luongo's value can be looked at in three ways; trade value, trade value with contract and the value he brings to the organization. I am not going to pretend to know Luongo's trade value. What I do know is he is an all-star that consistently shows above average goal tending. He is worth at least as much as Calgary got for Iginla given Lungo's age and years of high level performance he likely has left in the tank. Then you have this elephant in the room. A contract that goes until he is 42 with a decently high cap hit of 5.3mil. Not high for the next few years but you bet your lucky penny that if we still have Luongo when he is 38 we are probably going to be complaining about that cap hit. A really good question to ask yourself is if we didn't have goal tending and we were in the hunt for Luongo, how much would you be willing to give up to acquire him and his contract. I bet most people would be crying out to Gillis not to overpay for him, given his contract. It hurts, but the cold hard truth is that his contract is a very large risk for a GM to take on. Lastly you have the value Luongo brings to this organization. This is what Gillis NEEDS to, at a minimum, get back in a trade. Its a tough value to quantify, but if Gillis doesn't bring back pieces that add at least the value Luongo gives to our team then it will be a failed trade. Putting it all together I think Gillis is likely getting offers. But they are lower than the offers you would expect to see in a trade if Luongo didn't have that contract. The offers are probably in the ballpark of a 2nd and a cap dump. Most Canuck fans would agree this isn't enough value in return for an allstar goalie. Aka not enough value to replace the value lost from trading Luongo. But can you blame those teams for those kinds of offers? Would you offer more than what Calgary received for Iginla? Probably not. So there's Gillis, left in a situation where moving Luongo seems less and less likely. The more I think about it the more I think trading Schneider and hoping that Lack or Cannata can step it up in 4-5 years is the way to go. Then when Luongo's salary is below his cap hit hope that a team trying to hit the cap floor will take him off our books. Gillis has put himself in a very tough situation. It will be very interesting to see how Gillis scrambles out of this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Now gillis saying it might not be the right to time trade Lu, rather in the summer...i don't get it, won't teams low ball them even more knowing Canucks have to get rid of a goalie to get under the cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noheart Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I am so confident that Luongo will not be dealt that if he is I will change my name to Princess Poopy pee pee Here is the benchmark for a bad contract. I bet Gillis is getting similar offers ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun Flames get St. Louis’ 2013 first round pick, defenseman Mark Cundari and goaltender Reto Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Don't trade him to the Leafs, please MG! I wouldn't mind waiting to the off season to see if we can make things happen with Philli, Florida or NJ? Brodeur and Hedburg are old people and Frazee isn't a capable NHL goalie, maybe they'd be the surprise team in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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