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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:06 PM

Oh please-64 mill? It's perform or face the heat, baby! All this mock-sympathy for Luongo is getting tiresome. The fans are "on him"? Any of you people EVER have a nasty boss in a dead-end job(one time or another)? To hear him go on about his "lousy deal, that sucks", in such economic times? Sorry, I suggest he reads a few serious news articles about this real world turnin'.

Suggested it in PROPOSALS(others have too); just trade the bloke for a LOUSY contract(eg:Bryz, Dipietro) that we have to amnesty, PLUS a grab-bag of goodies, youth, picks...
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:12 PM

Good point... I was just dreaming. Its hard for me to let go of luongo lol


Yeah I don't blame you. Probably the 6th or 7th best Canuck of all time when it is said and done.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:23 PM

Oh please-64 mill? It's perform or face the heat, baby! All this mock-sympathy for Luongo is getting tiresome. The fans are "on him"? Any of you people EVER have a nasty boss in a dead-end job(one time or another)? To hear him go on about his "lousy deal, that sucks", in such economic times? Sorry, I suggest he reads a few serious news articles about this real world turnin'.

Suggested it in PROPOSALS(others have too); just trade the bloke for a LOUSY contract(eg:Bryz, Dipietro) that we have to amnesty, PLUS a grab-bag of goodies, youth, picks...


Why do u care what he makes?? Does that take away all he did for this franchise??? You know how mmuch money he's made for aquilini???

He's respected because of all his accolades... all his canucks records and hands down being the greatest canucks goalie of all time.

When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:07 PM

Didn't work


This thread isn't over yet. Not much season left and the playoffs are only 2 months.

Still lots of pages in this thread.....we should be judicious with our posting to squeeze it in under 100 pages.

You'd think that would be easy since every possible thing has already been said. Now it's just a battle of wills and egos. I'm not sure this thread is about Luongo anymore. It's more about CDC relationships.

This thread is the chick flick of CDC.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:11 PM

When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out


When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out


When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out


When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out


When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out


When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:15 PM

Lou would be infinitely more tradeable now had he been play off MVP as opposed to being badly out played by Tim Thomas. All this while he was, at $10 mill for that year, the highest paid hockey player in the world.

Do you feel we have been returned good value for the contract we offered him?

It's nice to pay a guy for past service and all. The bottom line is Lou needs to out play Schneider and win his job back. If he does not, we may never get value from any deal.

Why do u care what he makes?? Does that take away all he did for this franchise??? You know how mmuch money he's made for aquilini???

He's respected because of all his accolades... all his canucks records and hands down being the greatest canucks goalie of all time.

When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:31 PM

Why do u care what he makes?? Does that take away all he did for this franchise??? You know how mmuch money he's made for aquilini???

He's respected because of all his accolades... all his canucks records and hands down being the greatest canucks goalie of all time.

When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out


Apollo, Based on many of your posts I understand/respect how sincerely you support Lu. I agree with you in that he's a great talent; where he fits in historically, we prob differ somewhat in opinion.

The general idea of my post is that these guys are living the dream; it's hard for me to muster sympathy for a scenario such as Lu's. As far as $ made/spent, I generally have no patience for the money involved in ANY of the major sports. It's ludicrous, to put it simply. For that matter so are rock stars, Hollywood stars & a jug of homo milk.

I'm a nostalgic dinosaur who remembers the days when a true star made perhaps 10x the salary of a good doctor. If everything went back to the 70's, don't think any hockey stars wold be hard done by.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:30 PM

Lou would be infinitely more tradeable now had he been play off MVP as opposed to being out played by Thomas. While he was, at $10 mill, the highest paid hockey player in the world.

Do you feel we have been returned good value for the contract we offered him?

It's nice to pay a guy for past service and all, but the bottom line is Lou needs to out play Schneider and win his job back or we may never get value from that deal.

Never mind that was his salary and not his cap hit, but with Weber now making $14M a year would that stop you from trading a couple of high picks and a similar but lesser roster player to acquire him? Would Philly turn down trading two 2nds and Luke Schenn to Nashville just because of Weber's contract and that they already have a number of NHL quality defenceman if he could help them win more games?

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:52 PM

I think you've missed it. If Lou did not get outplayed by Thomas, never mind Schneider, he might be worth his contract. Then we would not be in this position?

Weber did not sign a big deal and lose his job to an up and coming player.





Never mind that was his salary and not his cap hit, but with Weber now making $14M a year would that stop you from trading a couple of high picks and a similar but lesser roster player to acquire him? Would Philly turn down trading two 2nds and Luke Schenn to Nashville just because of Weber's contract and that they already have a number of NHL quality defenceman if he could help them win more games?


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:22 PM

Look at it differently > an argument I posed for SK; Forbes has the St Louis Blues net value as $125 odd million.

Now owners (not GM's) sign players with a view to their potential to generate a profit for their invesment.

If your an investor; do you buy Weber or the St Louis Blues respectively at $110 and $125 million? In reality, Nashville probably will regret that decision as well.


Do you offer Lou his $64 million again? Its $64 million, not $5.3 which is how everybody jutifies a bad investment. Think about it like its your money...

And then look at it in the current context. Do you give him $40.2 mill the next 6 years?

I believe its possible for teams that are young and have much of their future already set up; and Lou wins you 7 to 10 play off series the next 4 years? This when you might currently track to win 2 or 3? And sell out a rink thats not selling...

It does leave a market, yes Florida, NYI, perhaps Washington? Long shot Edmonton...



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Never mind that was his salary and not his cap hit, but with Weber now making $14M a year would that stop you from trading a couple of high picks and a similar but lesser roster player to acquire him? Would Philly turn down trading two 2nds and Luke Schenn to Nashville just because of Weber's contract and that they already have a number of NHL quality defenceman if he could help them win more games?


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:44 PM

Where do you get 40.2 ? Drops off to 3.3 then minimal after that.

All salaries are ridiculous in the NHL, but having the most important position filled for 80%+ of the games for about 10% of the salary cap with a top 10 talent is a 'good investment' comparatively. Even at 6.7m for the next 5 (not 6) years, its still competitive.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:47 PM

I think you've missed it. If Lou did not get outplayed by Thomas, never mind Schneider, he might be worth his contract. Then we would not be in this position?

Weber did not sign a big deal and lose his job to an up and coming player.


I think you'd have to look at it differently, the way I assume CH101 and apollo look at it,.

If the Canucks had won game 7, because we scored a few goals, then Schneider no matter how well he played would not have the chance to unseat Luongo.

Lou's contract would be the furthest issue from anyone's mind.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:49 PM

$6.7 mill in real salary for 6 years.

Sorry, added this year

Where do you get 40.2 ? Drops off to 3.3 then minimal after that.

All salaries are ridiculous in the NHL, but having the most important position filled for 80%+ of the games for about 10% of the salary cap with a top 10 talent is a 'good investment' comparatively. Even at 6.7m for the next 5 (not 6) years, its still competitive.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:53 PM

This thread isn't over yet. Not much season left and the playoffs are only 2 months.

Still lots of pages in this thread.....we should be judicious with our posting to squeeze it in under 100 pages.

You'd think that would be easy since every possible thing has already been said. Now it's just a battle of wills and egos. I'm not sure this thread is about Luongo anymore. It's more about CDC relationships.

This thread is the chick flick of CDC.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:20 PM

I guess melting down doesn't help....
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:28 AM

Look at it differently > an argument I posed for SK; Forbes has the St Louis Blues net value as $125 odd million.

Now owners (not GM's) sign players with a view to their potential to generate a profit for their invesment.

If your an investor; do you buy Weber or the St Louis Blues respectively at $110 and $125 million? In reality, Nashville probably will regret that decision as well.


Do you offer Lou his $64 million again? Its $64 million, not $5.3 which is how everybody jutifies a bad investment. Think about it like its your money...

And then look at it in the current context. Do you give him $40.2 mill the next 6 years?

I believe its possible for teams that are young and have much of their future already set up; and Lou wins you 7 to 10 play off series the next 4 years? This when you might currently track to win 2 or 3? And sell out a rink thats not selling...

It does leave a market, yes Florida, NYI, perhaps Washington? Long shot Edmonton...



Whi

I understand your argument and Nashville might very well regret that contract. I suggest how ever that Nashville did not match the Philly offer sheet strictly because of perceived value in Weber. They had already lost Suter and Weber leaving might have started an exodus. Erat apparently wanted out and that is why Poile traded him. In Lou's case Gillis signed him as he was seen as the top goalie available and Gillis was changing the Van culture. Lou's signing was a concrete signal to Van players that management wanted a winner. It told UFA's like Sundin that Van was serious. Yes there has to be value in contracts but I suggest that other factors are involved as well.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:17 AM

From what I had heard they generally thought a deal was going to be made. I guess summer it is then...
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:38 AM

I guess melting down doesn't help....


Check out the game of croquet. It's a lot less stress.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:22 AM

I think you'd have to look at it differently, the way I assume CH101 and apollo look at it,.

If the Canucks had won game 7, because we scored a few goals, then Schneider no matter how well he played would not have the chance to unseat Luongo.

Lou's contract would be the furthest issue from anyone's mind.


That's exactly what it is. Like a God hitting bull's eye from across the Universe. Good post.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:31 AM

What?

Wasn't Sundin already back in Sweden when Lou signed his deal? Not relevent, I don' think anyway. The best message is doing what makes the team better for yor investment.

Nashville might have matched Weber's deal to show Nashville fans they were legit. But think of what kind of team they coul have put together for the $20 something million paid in the last 10 months?

They could have signed Jagr and Semin, plus traded two of the 1 st round picks they received for an alternate all star D. They'd still have change in cap (They have $16 mill space even with Weber), compensation picks and $90 mill less in contract commitments. That would have sent just as strong a message, even added some entertainment value. Unless everyone thinks the Trotz trap compares with the Grand Ol Opre?

I understand your argument and Nashville might very well regret that contract. I suggest how ever that Nashville did not match the Philly offer sheet strictly because of perceived value in Weber. They had already lost Suter and Weber leaving might have started an exodus. Erat apparently wanted out and that is why Poile traded him. In Lou's case Gillis signed him as he was seen as the top goalie available and Gillis was changing the Van culture. Lou's signing was a concrete signal to Van players that management wanted a winner. It told UFA's like Sundin that Van was serious. Yes there has to be value in contracts but I suggest that other factors are involved as well.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:37 AM

That's exactly what it is. Like a God hitting bull's eye from across the Universe. Good post.


I think God hit a bulls eye of some sort? :lol:

You have connections every where don't you Minister...

I think you'd have to look at it differently, the way I assume CH101 and apollo look at it,.

If the Canucks had won game 7, because we scored a few goals, then Schneider no matter how well he played would not have the chance to unseat Luongo.

Lou's contract would be the furthest issue from anyone's mind.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:51 PM

I think you'd have to look at it differently, the way I assume CH101 and apollo look at it,.

If the Canucks had won game 7, because we scored a few goals, then Schneider no matter how well he played would not have the chance to unseat Luongo.

Lou's contract would be the furthest issue from anyone's mind.


the issue was not game 7

i find it odd people keep thinking that was the issue

the issue was

1. Letting Chi back into the series down 3-0 with by letting his head go and therefore causing us to have 3 more game of tough hockey to deal with

2. Games 3 and 4 in Boston, as above, letting the bear back into the series when we had our heels on their throat.

this is why few teams are lining up for him and why we are going with schnieds

it is his mental side and ability to shut the door when we NEED him to steal one, not that he cant steal games but its WHEN WE need a steal, he has consistently flopped.

that is the difference between a very good goalie and a hall of famer, cup winner.

why can't people realize that

I love what Lou did for this team and city and he deserves our respect but time to move on, he clearly wants to given his presser.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:19 PM

the issue was not game 7

i find it odd people keep thinking that was the issue

the issue was

1. Letting Chi back into the series down 3-0 with by letting his head go and therefore causing us to have 3 more game of tough hockey to deal with

2. Games 3 and 4 in Boston, as above, letting the bear back into the series when we had our heels on their throat.

this is why few teams are lining up for him and why we are going with schnieds

it is his mental side and ability to shut the door when we NEED him to steal one, not that he cant steal games but its WHEN WE need a steal, he has consistently flopped.

that is the difference between a very good goalie and a hall of famer, cup winner.

why can't people realize that

I love what Lou did for this team and city and he deserves our respect but time to move on, he clearly wants to given his presser.


No no and no. The Canucks were decimated on defense and did some serious faux pas that cost the Canucks a Cup, let alone lack of scoring.

Take Hamhuis. He makes that hip check on Lucic and the series is over. He breaks ribs and the Canucks are out a top D.

Burrows plays the game, the Bs are focussing on containing him. Burrows bites a finger, the Bs focus their anger and gel together.

Daniel Sedin defends himself or is defended in his bitch slapping on Nation TV by Pinocchio, the Canucks save face.

Kesler was in efficient by then, so were Ehhoff, Edler and so on.

Rome hits Horton one second earlier and a historical suspension is avoided.

Then we blame Luongo for not showing up when he stood on his head.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:25 PM

No no and no. The Canucks were decimated on defense and did some serious faux pas that cost the Canucks a Cup, let alone lack of scoring.

Take Hamhuis. He makes that hip check on Lucic and the series is over. He breaks ribs and the Canucks are out a top D.

Burrows plays the game, the Bs are focussing on containing him. Burrows bites a finger, the Bs focus their anger and gel together.

Daniel Sedin defends himself or is defended in his bitch slapping on Nation TV by Pinocchio, the Canucks save face.

Kesler was in efficient by then, so were Ehhoff, Edler and so on.

Rome hits Horton one second earlier and a historical suspension is avoided.

Then we blame Luongo for not showing up when he stood on his head.


Come on man no blame to Luongo? I think he has had truly amazing moments in the playoffs without a question, but he has also had some pretty large meltdowns. Did the team always have him back? No obviously not, but he also didn't help his case much either
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:57 PM

I think you'd have to look at it differently, the way I assume CH101 and apollo look at it,.

If the Canucks had won game 7, because we scored a few goals, then Schneider no matter how well he played would not have the chance to unseat Luongo.

Lou's contract would be the furthest issue from anyone's mind.

Quick is getting unseated by Bernier this year. If Quick can't pick it up come playoffs, then I don't doubt they would play Bernier, cause he's giving them a better chance to win.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:57 PM

As things start to fall apart; its when teams need a guy like their goalie to play lights out & reignite some confidence and fight.

It did not have to be the goalie, a superstar prob would have needed to surface. Kesler and Manny were hurt, Hank was taking D zone draws against Lucic/Krecji. Not his normal O'zone realm of comfort. Considering our scrambled roles, the Sedin's played hard, but were much less likely to accomplish what they normally do.

Between game 3,4,6 & 7 we needed Lou to steal us a game. Was being a superstar when it mattered too much to expect? Any one of those 4 games...

If Lou had played hard, and held it together, I still would not be critiquing him even had we lost. The team did sort of fall apart around him. But he was distracted by not having his tires pumped. And he got lit up. He did not even offer the team the confidence to find another level of fight.

I don't blame Lou for us losing that series. But he does not deserve his contract either. He was being paid like Crosby, or Forsberg and the other true superstars of the league. And that is why the contract is such an anchor!



No no and no. The Canucks were decimated on defense and did some serious faux pas that cost the Canucks a Cup, let alone lack of scoring.

Take Hamhuis. He makes that hip check on Lucic and the series is over. He breaks ribs and the Canucks are out a top D.

Burrows plays the game, the Bs are focussing on containing him. Burrows bites a finger, the Bs focus their anger and gel together.

Daniel Sedin defends himself or is defended in his bitch slapping on Nation TV by Pinocchio, the Canucks save face.

Kesler was in efficient by then, so were Ehhoff, Edler and so on.

Rome hits Horton one second earlier and a historical suspension is avoided.

Then we blame Luongo for not showing up when he stood on his head.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:50 PM

Come on man no blame to Luongo? I think he has had truly amazing moments in the playoffs without a question, but he has also had some pretty large meltdowns. Did the team always have him back? No obviously not, but he also didn't help his case much either


I didn't say no blame to Luongo. He is to blame as the rest of the team for not taking control of the series or at the very least, letting it slip away by game four's end. What I cannot stand though is the separation, the singling out of the goaltender in a team game that went south by so many other angles. Many intangibles were at play that made for the Canucks' demise, not solely Luongo. In fact, I put Burrows antics much higher in the cause for failure. Next on the list would be the suspension of Rome which is an unexplainable blunder by the league while third, injuries.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 06:09 PM

His contract didn't suck when he signed it. It's not Schnieders fault he played better. Suck it up Gillis, move Luongo for peanuts. Just move him
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 06:43 PM

Remember when people used to think we could get the 5th overall pick, jake gardiner and more for luongo? Lol
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:01 PM

Remember when people used to think we could get the 5th overall pick, jake gardiner and more for luongo? Lol


That's because the Canucks can get the 5th overall, Gardiner and more for Luongo. But his "contract sucks". So in effect, the Canucks can get the 5th overall, Gardiner and more for Schneider.

This summer would be a good time to unload Schneider for the top 1-5 picks.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 06 April 2013 - 07:13 PM.

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