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#1231 ForsbergTheGreat

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:54 PM

Honestly, we are already seeing a break in Schneider. I think Schneider will eventually be able to handle it - but he will face some failures and learn from mistakes as Luongo did with the media.

Luongo's learned everything he needs - he's done every wrong at every level in the playoffs with the media. Luongo is now at a place where he is finally comfortable and can do no wrong. He's finally able to handle this city.

It'll take Schneider time. Our window to win, however, is now. Why, then, stick with the younger less experienced?

Lack will come along. Goalies can always be attained through trades and signings. That's how we got Luongo. Schneider brings a long-term security, but Luongo provides the win-now opportunity.

Stick with #1. Get assets for #35. Go for the Cup.


Schneider has had it 10x worse then Luo, already in his first season. He's had to play almost perfect and any little flaw people have called him on it and begged for Luo to replace him. He's literally playing for his life each game he plays and so far he's come up successful. In all fair unless he wins a cup you can only expect 6-8 years out a goalie in a canadian market. It's too mentally draining on a person to be put in this situation.

Luongo is going. He wants to leave. Can't you see how depressed he was that he wasn't traded. It's not that he hates this city but imagining haven't a entire city watching every play and harshly judging. Luongo is like a bad relationship, one that you know isn't going to last but it's hard to say good bye.

As far as lack coming along. Seriously people enough about lack coming in and being this great #1, the guy is already 25, To say he will come in and take over when Luo retires is the dumbest thing ever. If he has so much talent why will he wait till he's 30 to finally get his shot.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:30 PM

Jakob Markstrom allows 6 goals on 33 shots. Not that it really matters. His team got badly out played, but they got badly out played by another weak team. He already let in 2 goals very early on.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:31 PM

Dale Tallon picks up yet another marquis prospect in this year's draft, and then flips a prospect or two this way for Roberto.
Win, win for all sides.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:43 PM

Jakob Markstrom allows 6 goals on 33 shots. Not that it really matters. His team got badly out played, but they got badly out played by another weak team. He already let in 2 goals very early on.

They're going to ruin him before he ever gets the chance if they keep up the crap way they're playing in front of him. He could stand to be eased in a bit more, at least over one more year if not two. He can still be good, but won't if this is the path they're going to give him. Too bad they don't have a veteran goalie who can still play top level for the next several years, eh?
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:52 PM

Bjugstaad for all the 'he's a superhero' player posters

7gp = 0 pts and a -6

Only 7 games yes but not a great start for a kid who's supposed to be a top prospect....as I said, asking for him is not as big of a stretch as people think

Coming out of US college there is a big adjustment, it is not the same as the OHL, even though players are older the level of competition is not the same, thats why there haven't been many superstars come out of that league.

look at schultz, he is playing ok, lit it up in the AHL and everyone though this kid was going to tear it up.

they are players who need development like everyone else and Bjugstaad is showing that so he's not out of the question, because until he's a sure thing, there is risk for FLA.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:18 PM

Bjugstaad for all the 'he's a superhero' player posters

7gp = 0 pts and a -6

Only 7 games yes but not a great start for a kid who's supposed to be a top prospect....as I said, asking for him is not as big of a stretch as people think

Coming out of US college there is a big adjustment, it is not the same as the OHL, even though players are older the level of competition is not the same, thats why there haven't been many superstars come out of that league.

look at schultz, he is playing ok, lit it up in the AHL and everyone though this kid was going to tear it up.

they are players who need development like everyone else and Bjugstaad is showing that so he's not out of the question, because until he's a sure thing, there is risk for FLA.

Asking for Bjugstad is an incredible stretch, There's no reason for Florida to take on Luongo's massive contract. They'll likely go after a veteran goalie on a 1-2 year deal to split duties with Markstrom.

Didn't know getting 23 points in 43 games as a d-man is classified as OK. I don't think many people were expecting him to go a point-per-game in his rookie year in the NHL. Schultz has played great this year but he definitely needs to work on his defensive game. Still, getting as many points as the top Canuck d-man in his rookie year is far better than OK.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:48 PM

Honestly, we are already seeing a break in Schneider.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:54 PM

The technicality of goaltending!!!!

I get it now. You're an imposter trying to destabilize this team. A God damned Chicago/ Boston fan.

Luongo's contract might look bad now. But Schneider's next contract will be above 6 if not 7 million dollars. Careful what you wish for. We all know what happens when an athlete is perceived to be paid more than their actual worth and / or don't live up to their contracts.


The logic here is impeccable.
Careful what you wish for - Schneider might be too good - and then we'll have to pay him. Sounds like a losing logic to me...
And as for your "we all know" example, are you talking about Luongo?
Luo's not perceived to be paid more than he's worth. I haven't really heard it stated by anyone that he's overpaid - the only issue with his contract is obviously term, and even that is routinely over-stated considering both the back-diving aspect and his work ethic/typical longevity of goaltenders like himself.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:56 PM

Honestly, we are already seeing a break in Schneider.

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:41 PM

Honestly, we are already seeing a break in Schneider. I think Schneider will eventually be able to handle it - but he will face some failures and learn from mistakes as Luongo did with the media.

Luongo's learned everything he needs - he's done every wrong at every level in the playoffs with the media. Luongo is now at a place where he is finally comfortable and can do no wrong. He's finally able to handle this city.

It'll take Schneider time. Our window to win, however, is now. Why, then, stick with the younger less experienced?

Lack will come along. Goalies can always be attained through trades and signings. That's how we got Luongo. Schneider brings a long-term security, but Luongo provides the win-now opportunity.

Stick with #1. Get assets for #35. Go for the Cup.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:47 AM

The logic here is impeccable.
Careful what you wish for - Schneider might be too good - and then we'll have to pay him. Sounds like a losing logic to me...
And as for your "we all know" example, are you talking about Luongo?
Luo's not perceived to be paid more than he's worth. I haven't really heard it stated by anyone that he's overpaid - the only issue with his contract is obviously term, and even that is routinely over-stated considering both the back-diving aspect and his work ethic/typical longevity of goaltenders like himself.

The negatives about Lu's contract are simply overstated repeatedly. HNIC says the NHL estimates as much as $1 billion in sales for the six outdoor games next year. If they are successful just imagine the spin-offs on media deals. Imagine the CAP ramifications. I love the way Schneider is assuming a leadership role on this team. The poor defensive play in front of him has to cause nightmares.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:35 AM

I'd trade Luongo tomorrow morning for Kyle Wellwood ...straight up!!
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:38 AM

I'd trade Luongo tomorrow morning for Kyle Wellwood ...straight up!!

You're drunk.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:59 AM

Has anybody looked at Reimer's stats in Toronto....926 Sp, an 18-6 record ? Nonis is looking like a genius in not trading impact players for Luongo ! Reimer is sure looking like a keeper(pun intended) :)
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:03 AM

The negatives about Lu's contract are simply overstated repeatedly. HNIC says the NHL estimates as much as $1 billion in sales for the six outdoor games next year. If they are successful just imagine the spin-offs on media deals. Imagine the CAP ramifications. I love the way Schneider is assuming a leadership role on this team. The poor defensive play in front of him has to cause nightmares.


it is the term not the cap

If Luongo had only 3-4 years left on his contract, he would have been traded already yielding a great return
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:27 PM

it is the term not the cap

If Luongo had only 3-4 years left on his contract, he would have been traded already yielding a great return

I brought up the possibility of an increased CAP because a fear exists that the CAP might go down even further. An increasing CAP downplays the impact of Lu's CAP it into the future. As a quality tender I expect Lu will play at a high level for another 5 years. If he retired at that point his final four years would be pro-rated between the acquiring team and Vancouver. CAP hit of $5.4 mil, a cash hit in the last 2 years of $1.5 mil. I don't see enough negatives for a number of teams wanting to trade for him.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

I brought up the possibility of an increased CAP because a fear exists that the CAP might go down even further. An increasing CAP downplays the impact of Lu's CAP it into the future. As a quality tender I expect Lu will play at a high level for another 5 years. If he retired at that point his final four years would be pro-rated between the acquiring team and Vancouver. CAP hit of $5.4 mil, a cash hit in the last 2 years of $1.5 mil. I don't see enough negatives for a number of teams wanting to trade for him.


Of course you speak logic. If this identical player/contract were in Boston or Pittsburgh, it would be a GREAT deal for a superb vet. Some team takes on Thomas as a cap-favour...Absolute garbage! It's all media-spin within a league that doesn't need/want Canadian teams dominating like the Pens/Wings/Devs, et al...They don't want Van to parlay their 'tender-depth into 2 or 3 strong young pieces. MG prob doesn't belong in the "secret handshake club".

So much pulp wasted on a non-issue. LeCav's contract should be considered a terrorist act compared to Luongo's...

Edited by Nuxfanabroad, 21 April 2013 - 02:20 PM.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:34 PM

Of course you speak logic. If this identical player/contract were in Boston or Pittsburgh, it would be a GREAT deal for a superb vet. Some team takes on Thomas as a cap-favour...Absolute garbage! It's all media-spin within a league that doesn't need/want Canadian teams dominating like the Pens/Wings/Devs, et al...They don't want Van to parlay their 'tender-depth into 2 or 3 strong young pieces. MG prob doesn't belong in the "secret handshake club".

So much pulp wasted on a non-issue. LeCav's contract should be considered a terrorist act compared to Luongo's...

No doubt there is a business angle to it. I could never figure how Sather could sign those deals and still come up with more CAP space!
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:54 PM

The negatives about Lu's contract are simply overstated repeatedly. HNIC says the NHL estimates as much as $1 billion in sales for the six outdoor games next year. If they are successful just imagine the spin-offs on media deals. Imagine the CAP ramifications. I love the way Schneider is assuming a leadership role on this team. The poor defensive play in front of him has to cause nightmares.


Jesus man,,, even Luongo himself stated publicly in an interview that his contract suck,lol
As an example why in the hell would Florida pay Luongo 40 million to mentor Markstrom?
Luongo has no value and thus he has not been traded because if Gillis could have got anything tangible to help this team with the window closing, he would have dealt Lu.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:03 PM

Jesus man,,, even Luongo himself stated publicly in an interview that his contract suck,lol
As an example why in the hell would Florida pay Luongo 40 million to mentor Markstrom?
Luongo has no value and thus he has not been traded because if Gillis could have got anything tangible to help this team with the window closing, he would have dealt Lu.


Luongo has extreme value for the team that signed him. That's why he's staying.

He's an elite goaltender with an atrocious contract.

Can't get sent down, can't get traded, can't get bought out, can't retire. He can just PLAY.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 21 April 2013 - 08:04 PM.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:04 PM

Luongo has extreme value for the team that signed him. That's why he's staying.

...And leaving in the summer
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:05 PM

...And leaving in the summer


Derek Roy is leaving this summer.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:35 PM

Bjugstaad for all the 'he's a superhero' player posters

7gp = 0 pts and a -6

Only 7 games yes but not a great start for a kid who's supposed to be a top prospect....as I said, asking for him is not as big of a stretch as people think

Coming out of US college there is a big adjustment, it is not the same as the OHL, even though players are older the level of competition is not the same, thats why there haven't been many superstars come out of that league.

look at schultz, he is playing ok, lit it up in the AHL and everyone though this kid was going to tear it up.

they are players who need development like everyone else and Bjugstaad is showing that so he's not out of the question, because until he's a sure thing, there is risk for FLA.


7 games man.

I will file this in my people that have zero credibility folder.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:39 PM

Luongo has extreme value for the team that signed him. That's why he's staying.

He's an elite goaltender with an atrocious contract.

Can't get sent down, can't get traded, can't get bought out, can't retire. He can just PLAY.


So, Luongo saying last april it was time to move on.
Luongo saying in camp he could stay here for this season because it was a short season.
Luongo saying it is hard to trade him because his contract sucks isnt enough for you to see the writing on the wall?lol
One would think if he actually wanted to stay here at some point along the way he would have said his preference was to stay in Vancouver.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:44 PM

Luongo has extreme value for the team that signed him. That's why he's staying.

He's an elite goaltender with an atrocious contract.

Can't get sent down, can't get traded, can't get bought out, can't retire. He can just PLAY.

once in awhile, behind Schneider !! The Technicality of Goaltending....pity !
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

Luongo has extreme value for the team that signed him. That's why he's staying.

He's an elite goaltender with an atrocious contract.

Can't get sent down, can't get traded, can't get bought out, can't retire. He can just PLAY.


Only truthful statement is that he does have an atrocious contract.

In case you have not noticed Cory is the man, so what value does a guy making 5.3 picking splinters out his greedy ass have?
He could be sent down, he has agreed to be traded, he can be bought out, or he could retire.
He has no NMC so they can waive him or anything else they want, only thing that maybe you have not seen in the last year is that he has agreed to be traded, but he could veto any deal if he so wishes.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:34 AM

Luongo has extreme value for the team that signed him. That's why he's staying.

He's an elite goaltender with an atrocious contract.

Can't get sent down, can't get traded, can't get bought out, can't retire. He can just PLAY.


Actually all of those things can happen to him, the least likely however is a trade for anything useful.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:22 AM

In a Luongo trade, are we allowed to keep some of his salary but not his caphit, or are they linked together? Probably the only way we avoid either buying him out or taking another bad contract back.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:25 AM

Roberto Luongo is leaving this summer.

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 07:22 AM

In a Luongo trade, are we allowed to keep some of his salary but not his caphit, or are they linked together? Probably the only way we avoid either buying him out or taking another bad contract back.

They are linked. If you want to keep 10% of his salary, you also have to keep 10% of his cap hit (and vice versa).
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