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#91 theminister

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:58 AM

I think I can sum up everyone's complaints in one overarching sentence.

He fails to recognize when his views or strategies are not working or are wrong, and his inability to effectively adjust to the situation before him.

Edited by theminister, 02 April 2013 - 02:04 AM.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:59 AM

As far as an actual system goes, it gets harder and harder to identify because the players don't commit to it. Why is that? You tell me.

From my observation, the system that brought this team along its cup run was centered around a strong puck-possession and transition game that was a direct result of a speedy, two-way line-up. The forwards were always able to get back and chip in defensively, and so too could the defensemen chip in offensively. That is to say, the players on the ice were more or less a variable five-man unit.

The cycle was employed on both sides of the ice, and was basically designed to force the opponent to skate more than you did; to cause them to chase. Naturally, there would come a time when a player would be open for a shooting position, and because of the nature of the line-up, this included the active defense.

Unfortunately, this system was eventually torn apart upon the realization that an aggressive forecheck foiled the strategy in the defensive zone, and an amplified physical game put strain on the system's offensive capabilities.

This wouldn't be a problem if AV could switch to a run-and gun to counter the aggressive forecheck or brick wall defensive structures that were designed to take us down.

Now that the pivots of that system are not in place (Salo, Garrison, D.Sedin's injury last year, Kesler's this year), there is a need for adaptation. AV needs to use a strategy that suits the players at hand.

At the start of the season, the system was in complete disarray because of the lock-out (partly), but it essentially reverted back to AV's frustrating-to-watch high-percentage system that put everyone to sleep when AV first came to Vancouver.

Then, more players were injured. What has to happen to mitigate this? A tough, grinding game with high energy. Just tire the opposition and hope your goalie will steal some games.

Well, AV's got the "hope the goalies steal some games" part right, but he's still employing a high-percentage system that, in my opinion, is failing because it requires a fair amount of hockey knowledge -- yet is being employed by a team consisting of about 1/3rd AHLers.

AV wont change his system to suit his players.


Not going to go too much further into detail. Still watching the game (for some reason).


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#93 Johnny_Drama

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:07 AM

Get Gregor Robertson to ban chewing gum in Vancouver and AV will quit on his own.

It's time to petition city hall gentlemen

Edited by Johnny_Drama, 02 April 2013 - 02:07 AM.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:09 AM

Wow this new Blackberry is having trouble. lol

Edited by Baggins, 02 April 2013 - 10:51 AM.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:17 AM

1. Why do you think AV is Bowman? Or anything even remotely close to being as good a coach as Bowman was?

2. The problem with most Canucks are that they can't score consistently OR keep the puck out of our net with any great regularity. Doesn't that make them zero way players rather than two way players? Also, how does not being able to do either consistently make them better than pure offensive players who at least also go through hot stretches where they do score seemingly at will?

The masses have been spoon fed AV's "philosophy" for so long they don't realize that not every player needs to be a two way player to find success. You just need the right balance of offensivee to defensive players t balance things out over the long run.

Patrick Kane is a floater too but do you think the hawks care as long as thy have guys like Toews etc. to do the heavy lifting defensively? Of course they don't because he can make offensive plays out of nothing. There are NO Canucks right now other than the Sedins (when they actually shoot the puck once in awhile) who can do that.

The Canucks want every one of their players to play the same game. That is why when other coaches figure out how they are playing it shuts down the entire team not just certain players.


Do you understand the term "comparison"? Like Bowman, AV insists on a two way game. Bowmans insistance on a two way game made Yzerman a much better player.

Question: Would Kane be an even better player if he played a strong back checking game in addition to his offensive creativity?
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:02 AM

AV's been distracted by....the lozenges - NOT the gum-chewing. Totally requires an intervention....

Edited by viking mama, 02 April 2013 - 03:05 AM.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:11 AM

Heres a suggestion to AV.. USE THE GOD DAMN TIMEOUT!!!!! FFS!!!

Everytime the team lets in 3 quick goals ( refer to oilers game ) he just sat there chewed his gum... the team needed a timeout after the 2nd oiler goal... no wonder the team sucks right now... they need to refocus after every goal against them..
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:12 AM

Bet he chews dental gum
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:47 AM

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:50 AM

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 09:25 PM

Not giving young players or players in his dog house another chance.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 09:59 PM

probably not switching up goaltenders when the going got tough. It seems like for Luongo when it rains, it pours. He will at times during f in playoffs let in goals in bunches which really takes the fight out of the team almost right away, of no return. When A.V sees it coming I think he needs to switch up the goalies right away no matter what.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:59 PM

I think I can sum up everyone's complaints in one overarching sentence.

He fails to recognize when his views or strategies are not working or are wrong, and his inability to effectively adjust to the situation before him.

Yeah that :)
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:39 PM

I have to many to list so ill give you a five. 1) He skated the guys the morning of the 7th game they looked sluggish and slow at the start of the game. 2) Not playing Linden with the twins his last year that line was awesome when played together. 3) His line decisions always leaves me scratching my head offensive players playing with plugs? 4)This year he had Kass playing lights out with the twins he had burrows playing center instead of wing where he would have been more useful with another line. 5) He loves defensive plugs he would play them over a more offensive gifted player. ps I feel bad for Jensen an offensive player with a coach who wants him to play a D first type game.

It was dumb to give Luongo the C. AV has wrecked a lot of players. He overthinks things and complicates what should be a simple game. He was lucky to have a pretty good team, and win the presidents trophy, however coaching in the playoffs against tougher teams he was lost.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:09 PM

Not giving young players or players in his dog house another chance.


Young players like:

Kesler
Bieksa
Edler
Hansen
Raymond
Bourdon
Schneider
Shroeder
Kassian
Tanev
Jensen (who played 17 minutes in his NHL debut mostly with the Sedins)
Burrows (moved him to the Sedin line in a hail mary move that turned Burr from grinder to a near star player)

Yeah he never gives young guys a chance...


This is the least thought out grudge against AV that people continuously bring up and it could not be more wrong.

Even when you add Hodgson, AV gave him a fair shot fact is a rookie who has yet to prove anything does not take the spot of Henrik Sedin or Ryan Kesler you have to earn it not have it handed to you because daddy demanded it...
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:39 PM

Young players like:

Kesler
Bieksa
Edler
Hansen
Raymond
Bourdon
Schneider
Shroeder
Kassian
Tanev
Jensen (who played 17 minutes in his NHL debut mostly with the Sedins)
Burrows (moved him to the Sedin line in a hail mary move that turned Burr from grinder to a near star player)

Yeah he never gives young guys a chance...


This is the least thought out grudge against AV that people continuously bring up and it could not be more wrong.

Even when you add Hodgson, AV gave him a fair shot fact is a rookie who has yet to prove anything does not take the spot of Henrik Sedin or Ryan Kesler you have to earn it not have it handed to you because daddy demanded it...

You ever thought that some of those guys he gave a chance to he had no choice there was no one to take their spot Jensen plays tonight he played 1 game on the top line and now he is a 4th liner real great coaching!

Edited by CanuckleHorse, 04 April 2013 - 05:41 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:51 PM

You ever thought that some of those guys he gave a chance to he had no choice there was no one to take their spot Jensen plays tonight he played 1 game on the top line and now he is a 4th liner real great coaching!


2 games is a great sample size, funny you ignored the other 11 players I mentioned the truth is very inconvenient.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:09 AM

2 games is a great sample size, funny you ignored the other 11 players I mentioned the truth is very inconvenient.

Yes I did who was gonna take their place in the lineup he had no choice but to play the other 11 players they didnt have any competition for their spots!
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:42 AM

AV wont change his system to suit his players.


Pretty much says it all along with the fact he puts offensive minded rookies on the fourth line and forces them to play defense.Instead of putting them in postions to flourish. Hodgson was rookie player of the month and then he demotes him to the
fourth line. What a tool. Yet he continues to do this with every talented projected rookie goal scorer on the Canucks.

Edited by cc_devil, 05 April 2013 - 06:43 AM.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:21 AM

He didn't trade him, but there was no doubt that he didn't like Matt Cooke and forced him out.

Cooke - Cup ring. Still a valuable player for the Penguins

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:42 PM

Yes I did who was gonna take their place in the lineup he had no choice but to play the other 11 players they didnt have any competition for their spots!


You have nothing, proof AV hates young guys is a myth, sad it even gets debated really...
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:32 AM

Yes I did who was gonna take their place in the lineup he had no choice but to play the other 11 players they didnt have any competition for their spots!

What are you talking about?

Every one of those players was brought into the lineup in the same way. They started with limited icetime and gradually saw it increase as their games (both offensive and defensive) improved. Some of those players may have been brought in originally due to injury, but none of them earned their current status because there were no other options.

Jensen, Kassian and Schroeder are of course, still works in progress, but should follow the same process as the others,once some of the older players move on.
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